Merged: Hi-Tek threads....

[Disco D]

Originally Posted by BOO BLADES

You got that right...i wouldnt care how they made the shit sound as long as im on there and they playing the joint...that was one of the first songs flex played when the album dropped and i was like im gonna jack that sound (not sure what it is...sounds like a submarine radar or some shit)...but those samples are well places...do u have to get those lil snippets cleared too?...if so them im just gonna get some singers and have them riff some shit for me from now on and sample that.


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everything was sampled from the same record, i just chopped it like 70 times before i even started making the beat.

[NAJI]

hey D after you sample do you also run your samples thru the 'FATSO' or not ?

[Disco D]

i run the dj setup in thru the fatso, but i didnt have a fatso back then.

also if you want to talk about the ultimate non-quantizer, it's definitely Rockwilder. That dude plays all his drums LIVE off the pads into pro tools with NO sequence. No lie, I've seen him do it, and edited one of his raw sessions for him. Shit is INSANE.

[No4PCs]

Originally Posted by Disco D

i run the dj setup in thru the fatso, but i didnt have a fatso back then.

also if you want to talk about the ultimate non-quantizer, it's definitely Rockwilder. That dude plays all his drums LIVE off the pads into pro tools with NO sequence. No lie, I've seen him do it, and edited one of his raw sessions for him. Shit is INSANE.

Thats is the point, exactly what i did mention about my thread.
The best way to get the drum is play the thing ALIVE with NO SEQUENCER to quantize. If the guy like to play the pads of the sampler, ok but need go live direct to tape Yes, here in my area we love the drums sound too, e.

[3rd world order]

Originally Posted by Disco D

lso if you want to talk about the ultimate non-quantizer, it's definitely Rockwilder. That dude plays all his drums LIVE off the pads into pro tools with NO sequence. No lie, I've seen him do it, and edited one of his raw sessions for him. Shit is INSANE.

I have a friend like that.. always leaves the sequencer tempo at 120bpm and NEVER quantizes anything ever. it drives me ****ing nutz but it works for him...

[chester]

s-boogie, read my lines carefully! i said i got nuff love for Hi-Tek since day one! Since the MOOD album! But those beats we talked about are really not at the same level dude.

Yeah he`s a pro, never doubt that, i respect him.

nuff said.

ciao

[BOO BLADES]

i wouldnt leave the quantize off of the drums on a hip hop club track cuz the cadence is what drives the dance floor...if it was r&b then u prolly can get away with it...im not too familiar with hi-teks complete discography but i dont think son ever made any real club bangers (correct me if im wrong)...he makes mood music so he can get away with not quantizing...and not only that...i bet u he doesnt do it all the time...just on certain tracks when the vibe is right...yall know how it is when u in the zone?...u just snatch all the right sounds and play that shit right off the bat.

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[con?one]

I listned to a hi tek beat cd last week... That shit was hard!!
although, 2 sounded like unfinished eminem songs. He's got heat right now though

[s-boogie]

Originally Posted by chester

But those beats we talked about are really not at the same level dude.

how can they be? it´s 2006 now.
let´s do not discuss whether or not his new or old stuff is better,pleeeaaassee.

[chester]

damn! s-boogie don`t discuss those subjective thread, cause its all by yours and my ears and feels. Hi-Tek`s beats where more creative back in the days! Those 4 bar loops are not very creative!! you feel me ? he didnt even record anymore to tape or use alot of analog stuff, but there was his sound! So he lost some of his sound when he leaves out the analog domain, thats what my ears say to me.

DJ Hi-Tek: [... I actually miss a lot of the patience I used to have. The technology actually makes you move faster. You have people who are making records on straight computer based programs, so it makes the entire industry move faster now...] I guess I consider myself old school, but now these producers get CD's of nice sounding drum kits - they give away drum kits. So I just miss the patience I had. Now you have Pro-Tools and you get spoiled on how fast it moves. When I was recording Hi-Teknology and Reflection Eternal, we were using two inch and a lot of patience was involved. There was a lot of creativity involved and you really had to think about it and put your foot into it. Now I put my foot into it, ...

peace not war

[docformat]

No4pcs - maybe i'm misunderstanding your posts but if i'm not i'm pretty surprised that someone from brazil thinks the way you do. You need to open up your ears and listen to some jazz and some of the music of your own region. We're not talking about MPCs or beats or basslines - we're talking about rhythm which can be applied to every kind of sound. The push-and-pull of these different rhythms (on whatever instruments or voice parts are being used) is the driving force of all music from the African diaspora. This is polyrhythm and this is what hip-hop was born from. You can't erase this from the music. Quantizing is a tool that can be useful but it should never take the place of good musicianship. What about about samba, rumba, reggae, and all those beats? Are you telling me they don't work because they haven't been quantised?

Peace.

[electric]

this is an excellent article for people who aspire to produce hiphop or are interested in understanding how it is created. to me its all about your ability to hear things when you sample records. (small brilliant snippets that give off some sort of "mood") then throw a bunch of stuff in the pot until you have a recipe thats becomes its own thing. he shares some wonderful insight on how he approaches production. i admire hitek's abilities very much. i too very much try to create a "mood" or a vibe when i start building something. its almost like a feeling you get in your gut when you hear something that moves you. great songs always take me somewhere. so when i am sampling vinyl i may hear a small sound or tone that somehow jumps out or gives me a feeling (dark/happy/complex/gritty). then you cut it up and start seeing what you can do with it.

one thing is for certain with producing hiphop imo: its NOT about the gear.

yes you do need a minimal amount (eg drum machine/turntable/headphones/monitor etc) and yes, hitek has access to great grear/engineers/mixing desks/budgets now, but he would still make something thats the sh!t with only an mpc3000 and sampled vinyl. to do this at his level takes time, meticulous care, and the ability to constantly be improving your craft. this takes hard work. i think the guys that have the best beats tend to really use their ears and are probably very patient and precise about each and every sound that is placed into the track. the engineer was talking about how teks drums always pop out in the mix. he chooses those samples/layers them very carefully. guys like tek put their time in no question. you need to be able to have a vision and then carry it out to the end. this is not always an easy task. i think this is what a lot of young upcoming producers dont get. they think you need to have all this gear and connections or always get hung up on something. "if i just get a triton then i'll be set....ok NOW if i just get that THEN my stuff will be slammin...oh i found out so-and-so uses this so now i'll hold off my album till i buy that... after i get some good sample cds ill get started" meanwhile they dont spend the time to explore making beats and getting better at making arrangements. all you need to do is start listening to music you like or music that has interesting pieces in it and start experimenting . put your time in!! it dont matter if its mpc60 / mpc2000/ mpc4000/ mpc1000/ sp1200/ asr10 / cubase/ cakewalk/ protools/ logic. its all the same sh!t. you can make a hit song with any of them. none of them do the work for you. they all have limitless possibilites. get over it and start making music.

as for quantization/non-quantization i think they are both useful. most of the time i like to program without quantization but sometimes i will use it also. it just creates a different sound. often ill carefully alter the drum timing even more after its gone into cubase. i like making changes there because i can just slightly nudge audio left/right. its more intuitive to me. i know the swing timing on the linn drum mpc have a different algorithm than the 2000. thats fine. i dont really use swing feature. i usually create the timing manually. but i know some swear by the mpc60/3000 timing. my love for the mpc (i use the 2000xl) is its consolidated work flow and its limitations. my ideas flow quickly on those machines.

alright..sorry bout the rant..i just thought the article had great insights for aspiring hiphop producers. its great information .back 2 beats my peoples....

electric

[No4PCs]

Originally Posted by docformat

No4pcs - maybe i'm misunderstanding your posts but if i'm not i'm pretty surprised that someone from brazil thinks the way you do. You need to open up your ears and listen to some jazz and some of the music of your own region. We're not talking about MPCs or beats or basslines - we're talking about rhythm which can be applied to every kind of sound. The push-and-pull of these different rhythms (on whatever instruments or voice parts are being used) is the driving force of all music from the African diaspora. This is polyrhythm and this is what hip-hop was born from. You can't erase this from the music. Quantizing is a tool that can be useful but it should never take the place of good musicianship. What about about samba, rumba, reggae, and all those beats? Are you telling me they don't work because they haven't been quantised?

Peace.

Hi friend docformat. I hear jazz and samba too, of course yes. I think hip-hop is a kind of industrial rhytm, we have hip-hop in Brazil too, and i dont like the idea of a computer " formating " the beat. You said " We're not talking about MPCs or beats or basslines - we're talking about rhythm which can be applied to every kind of sound" . I said ok for the african rythm , but no for " computer formatting " the rythm, because the quantized beat will lost the " feel " . A friend here said hip hop need be quantized for dance floor...I dont know what say now. All hip-hop here in Brazil have the snare/kick mixed too loud, i think is this the goal of hip hop dance appeal. I like more R&B soul, because i can hear all instruments playing , not just kick/snare. Im rythm radical maybe im too old.You cant "quantize" samba or Miles Davis you know? Im radical against "samples" too, bu, if you create your own sample, ok, can you understanding my point of view?
Peace

[Methlab]

I think I get you..before I thought you were saying people can't make hiphop w/out quantizing..you thought it was a lie because it was hard for you to play that tight to a click? i may be close...not sure....

anyway, i always track with no quantize..ill tighten up my kick, and use cubase to slide my snare to where it feels nice..(usually a little behind).

[ozzborn]

first of all
stop hateing on hi tek

second
wheres the love for g-unit

third
i dont use a mpc anymore but i use the mpc pads with reason an i dont quantize either.i usally play my drums out for 16 bars and edit anything in the piano roll editor that dosent feel right.i do use the swing sometimes.

lots of cats were hateing on jigga until it was ja's turn.
cats were on em until his third album.now haters are patiently waiting to see 50 fall but i think hes gonna be on top in one way or another for a while.

[s-boogie]

Originally Posted by chester

damn! s-boogie don`t discuss those subjective thread, cause its all by yours and my ears and feels. Hi-Tek`s beats where more creative back in the days! Those 4 bar loops are not very creative!! you feel me ? he didnt even record anymore to tape or use alot of analog stuff, but there was his sound! So he lost some of his sound when he leaves out the analog domain, thats what my ears say to me.



peace not war

i agree!
i still think that we should avoid the words "creativity" and "quality"
when we are talking about talented people like hi tek,dilla etc etc.
the "tape thing" is more a technical issue to me, but we will see in the future
if he can compensate the loss of tape-feeling in further productions.