The Scott Storch Sound Thread`

[Sirocco]

im still very envious of storch's growling low-end based kicks that have a hint of distortion (think lean back)

anybody know how he gets this sound....distressors? some kind of guitar amp?

and u need a huge original kick before adding the distortion..where would one get something like that?

-sirocco

[PhonoquO]

Sounds to me like drum layering tricks with like you said some distortion. Grab a good bottom kick that has some 808 sub in it, eq the top end out of it to a degree, then layer that with jazzy hollow kick, and take some of the bottom off that. Tune and eq the drums, compress them both if required (you want the jazzy kick to extend so compress hard with longer release), buss out to a group and then compress them together with some good outboard like a dbx-160 VU or a distressor. Plugins like the PSP plugins (mixpressor, mixsaturator, vintage warmer) can also add alot to the sound. Honestly, copying someone else's kick isn't really pushing hip hop along. Strive to create your own unique trademark, be it a special kick, snare, clap, synth, bass, whatever. The only way to really stand out from the sea of aspiring producers is to have YOUR sound.

Peace

Marky

[tekn0]

It also sounds to me like a bit of side chain expanded reverb over the kick.
But i might be wrong.

Also if you listen for the ghost kicks in lean back im willing to guess the ghost kick hits are just 1 layer of the big staurated/reverbed kick that you pick up on first.

So kind of let you brain go cross eyed/eared and put the two sounds together. e

Another producer i have been studying atm who is very musical is J.R. Rotem.
I really like his production and i have a little feeling that him and Storch are goona have a little friendly competition/battle with each other in about 2 years. Between the two of them i really wish i would of takin a music theory class but i guess better late then never.

[rickrock305]

Originally Posted by tekn0

Between the two of them i really wish i would of takin a music theory class but i guess better late then never.

i feel ya there! I'm trying to teach myself keyboards at the moment. But those guys, storch especially, have crazy keyboard chops.

[halfguard]

i think being a dj and playing one instrument are 2 very important things in doing hip hop beats. i believe its a big advantage.

[Disco D]

I agree. I have DJed for 9 years, and before that played sax for 7 and piano for 3, I was going to become a music major and my parents were pretty unsuportive and then they got divorced, I started going to raves in Detroit and the rest is history.

[tekn0]

Heh i started as a party kid also, i bought my first tables and a sampler at 15 because i thought thats what i needed to remix electronic music. it's pretty cool that all my knowlage from producing/spinning breaks and drum and bass are crossing over in to the urban domain.

[halfguard]

disco, just curious? what styles of music do you do? we know hip hop, but i hear alot of elctronic vibe in your stuff. anyways, your sax, piano and djing has paid off. your on the way up. my mom made me play piano for 10 years (all clasical) i hated it then, but am so gratefull now. i also dj for about 8 years. im hoping it will pay off for me aswell.

[unisyn]

Another item I have seen popping up more and more lately is the jomox analog drum machine I was at patchwerk here in atlanta a couple of weeks ago and a very well known producer had 3 akai's and one of these in his setup, the low end on these are just stupid.

[Igotsoul4u]

i will let you guys know the exact composition of the lean back kick when I get back to the studio. I think it was 3 kiks.

[tekn0]

Originally Posted by Igotsoul4u

i will let you guys know the exact composition of the lean back kick when I get back to the studio. I think it was 3 kiks.

Would you happen to of track or mixed that record?

I would love to hear what a true unmixed commerical instrumental is supposed to sound like that way i would have somthing to benchmark my tracks to , i know by law and ethical/personal reasons you cant give stuff like that out, but even if you could point in the direction of something as it's hard for benchmark to mastered records it would be of much help.

[Methlab]

I started using gated reverb on my kicks more..combining an 808 with a 606 and adding a real "attacky" high end..i just did this through hearing shit in my head and getting my kick to sound like it, but I heard a Storch track a few days ago, and I wouldnt be suprised if he used a gated reverb on his kicks...i could be wrong though, but i really like the sound of it regardless.

[gsharp]

Originally Posted by tekn0

Would you happen to of track or mixed that record?

I would love to hear what a true unmixed commerical instrumental is supposed to sound like that way i would have somthing to benchmark my tracks to , i know by law and ethical/personal reasons you cant give stuff like that out, but even if you could point in the direction of something as it's hard for benchmark to mastered records it would be of much help.

Yeah, I would love to know how much of these things like verbs and combinations of kicks and stuff can be attributed to the producer vs. the mixer. Is the magic in Scott Storch+Tony Maserati, or does Tony put the faders up and it's already totally bangin'?

g

[tekn0]

Originally Posted by gsharp

Yeah, I would love to know how much of these things like verbs and combinations of kicks and stuff can be attributed to the producer vs. the mixer. Is the magic in Scott Storch+Tony Maserati, or does Tony put the faders up and it's already totally bangin'?

g

I really have no idea, to think for someone who has been in the industry for as long as both of them it's really though for me guess one way or the other, you would think, and i know i do, that being a producer, mixing would allways be a second major or an understudy, because being able to have complete control over your vision, im sure is an amazing feeling.

[Disco D]

Originally Posted by halfguard

disco, just curious? what styles of music do you do? we know hip hop, but i hear alot of elctronic vibe in your stuff. anyways, your sax, piano and djing has paid off. your on the way up. my mom made me play piano for 10 years (all clasical) i hated it then, but am so gratefull now. i also dj for about 8 years. im hoping it will pay off for me aswell.

i was the posterboy for an underground sub genre called ghettotech for a number of years, just google it or google me.

[tekn0]

Thats Awesome you used to produce that style, Im from chicago and that shit was/is pretty big here :)

"Dj funk gonna hurt somebody, Now Turn Around girl and show me where it's at"

"Big Booty bitch you talk alot of smack, now bend that ass over and let me hit it from the back, Let me bang"

I dont think i will ever forget thoes lines

[Disco D]

used to? i got 2 new EPs coming out in the next 4 months! ;)

[tekn0]

Originally Posted by Disco D

used to? i got 2 new EPs coming out in the next 4 months! ;)

Thats Awesome, Nice one mate, Nice one :)

[halfguard]

disco, can you post one of those beats??????????????????

[Disco D]

theres one on my myspace

6 am funk

http://www.myspace.com/discodigital

[filterayok]

hey sirocco----tell me when you got reggeton snares and kiks---i cant find those sounds, although i know i've passed thru them on synths, i cant remember where it was...

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by tekn0

It also sounds to me like a bit of side chain expanded reverb over the kick.
But i might be wrong.

Also if you listen for the ghost kicks in lean back im willing to guess the ghost kick hits are just 1 layer of the big staurated/reverbed kick that you pick up on first.

So kind of let you brain go cross eyed/eared and put the two sounds together. e

Another producer i have been studying atm who is very musical is J.R. Rotem.
I really like his production and i have a little feeling that him and Storch are goona have a little friendly competition/battle with each other in about 2 years. Between the two of them i really wish i would of takin a music theory class but i guess better late then never.

if u listen to rotems latest track "woah" by little kim u cansee he is stepping up his drum game almost to storch's level :)

[Maddstone]

He seems to be a fan of Reason 3.0 as well.He mentioned in an interview that b4 he met his manager his drums were lacking and his song structure was too complicated.So he got some major tips and also working with and amongst industry big boys helped him, plus being a hard worker just aids any which way.

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by Maddstone

He seems to be a fan of Reason 3.0 as well.He mentioned in an interview that b4 he met his manager his drums were lacking and his song structure was too complicated.So he got some major tips and also working with and amongst industry big boys helped him, plus being a hard worker just aids any which way.

nice info!

[Sirocco]

im just finding itb compressor plugins are not up the task of extending kicks and such, it seems i need to get a distressor or so.

[blayz2002]

I tried once to emulate the kick sound Storch used on Clap Back (even more effected), and came close by sending some of a kick to a bus witha a gated verb on it, rolling off a lot of the high end and then inserting a distortion plug from Logic.

I got real close but think I needed a higher end reverb, or maybe try different sources of kicks to start with.

[chester]

its only distortion ( tubes/tape) , Eq , Reverb!

so try it out with diff. settings.

i will post some examples again on weekend!

ciao

[Anonyme]

I don't know if it helps for that, but check dominion on www.digitalfishphones.com

i used to use it on almost all my drums, but it doesn't exist on os x...

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by Anonyme

I don't know if it helps for that, but check dominion on www.digitalfishphones.com

i used to use it on almost all my drums, but it doesn't exist on os x...

thanks for the suggestion!

i heard a lot about this developer and his plugin but been too lazy to try it!

I will do so in my next session. i just ordered my distressor (very happy) and hope it will get me a little closer to my goal:) i attached a audio file (i renamed .wma to .wmv cause it wouldnt take the .wma) but it still should play with a click ...of my current progress.feedback is appreciated.

-sirocco

[Dor]

I have kick drum samples that sound as huge as a "storch" kicks when they are bone dry. I'm sure they start with great sounds before they even think about applying effects.

D