Adobe Audition - 3dB drop when bouncing tracks in multitracks?

[bino_5150]

I'm beginning to get annoyed here...

In multitrack view, if I bounce say track 3 & 4 to a new track, the new mixdown has been cut by 3dB. It doesn't matter if I bounce 2 tracks or the whole session, mono or stereo... when I bounce to a new track in the multitrack, there is a 3dB cut applied to the new wave. Any idea where this is coming from? I've played with the settings, but I can't get it to stop doing this...

I shouldn't have to apply a 3dB gain to the track every time I bounce something...

[CJ Mastering]

Its either 3 things;
1. A level set somewhere is causing it
2. Your bounce properties are wrong
3. Your pan laws are causing it
Cj

[Durin]

It's a common Master Panning law for stereo mixdowns. You can override this in Audition easily by clicking Edit > Preferences > Multitrack and set the Stereo Panning Mode toggle to "Left/Right Cut (logarithmic)"

[mike cantu]

Did you check the llevels on tracks 3 & 4 before bouncing...make sure they are on -0- (normal)...

[bino_5150]

OK thanks. I still don't understand why the panning laws cause a 3dB cut in EVERYTHING I bounce though. I do understand the concept of pan laws in the mix, just not why I'm getting the cut post-mix.

The panning laws were used to mix and achieve a specific sound of the mix, so whatever effect they have on the sound should already be done by the time the program material is sent from the master bus to the outputs.What you hear is what you should get. The pan laws have been applied and the result of that is what you hear from your monitors. So when you bounce to a track, you should print the exact same thing that you are getting out of the master bus, imho. If I wanted the entire session cut by 3dB, I'd do it myself...

What's crazy is that is just started doing this lately.... I never used to have this problem, and I haven't changed any settings or updated anything. I wonder why it switched itself on like that? I never messed with it because I mix it by ear... if the high hat needs to scoot a bit more to the left and get bumped up a dB, then I do it... I at times use several different DAW's and sometimes hardware for mixing, and all I'm sure address the pan laws differently. You mix till it sounds right, no matter what the case may be. I just don't recall anything else attenuating my mixdowns.

Thanks for the fix though, I must've looked over that setting 15 times today and never realized it had been changed.

[Chris Lago]

Yes it happens, and what I do is reboost +3, no biggie.

[bino_5150]

Yeah that's what I've been doing the last few days. But I figured I'd rather fix it than work around it.

4 songs left to finish this album, now isn't the time to be getting ghosts in the machine lmao

[RasCricket]

Originally Posted by Chris Lago

Yes it happens, and what I do is reboost +3, no biggie.

Just change your settings. No need to do an amateur "re-boost" of 3db. I mean, who the hell would do that?

To the OP, good on ya for using Audition ~ its one the most capable DAWs around. Not the best friend of MIDI, but its got many top-rankin' features that other DAWs simply do not have.

[bino_5150]

@Mike it doesn't matter what the level is on the tracks, it's -3dB after I bounce it lol. If I have a mono vocal track on track 3 centered that's hitting around -9dBFS, if I bounce that track by itself to another track, it's now hitting -12dBFS. If the whole session is -3dBFS, it's -6dBFS after I bounce it.

The pan law was the culprit. @RasCricket setting changed!

@Durin thanks for the help homie! Mo Thug luv yall...

[RasCricket]

Originally Posted by bino_5150

@Mike it doesn't matter what the level is on the tracks, it's -3dB after I bounce it lol. If I have a mono vocal track on track 3 centered that's hitting around -9dBFS, if I bounce that track by itself to another track, it's now hitting -12dBFS. If the whole session is -3dBFS, it's -6dBFS after I bounce it.

The pan law was the culprit. @RasCricket setting changed!

@Durin thanks for the help homie! Mo Thug luv yall...

Cool, im sure you hadnt checked that option out yet. Actually as an avid Audition user, Im serious when I say I swear Ive seen someone else say that that setting had mysteriously changed itself. Totally not the first time ive heard of that happening in Audition. And I have zero clue why.

I was pointing out to someone else how futile, stupid, and not in control of their DAW, nor are they ready to charge people, if they are doing little "re-boosts" simply because they cant properly operate said DAW. Not to you.

[Chris Lago]

Originally Posted by RasCricket

Just change your settings. No need to do an amateur "re-boost" of 3db. I mean, who the hell would do that?

Gee thanks wise guy. I would do that and I'm not an amateur.

[RasCricket]

Originally Posted by Chris Lago

Gee thanks wise guy. I would do that and I'm not an amateur.

Im not so sure about that, bud. I think you talk a lot of talk and WISH you were ready to charge people to do things to their audio....

But I for one, do not think you are ready. You say far too many things all the time that are simply...WTF.

How about you talk about how all the girls rush straight to you? Who do you really think youre selling your bullcrap to, bro? Other musicians who DONT tour? Who dont see this crap everyday? Some of us DO see that crap everyday and speaks volumes about a noob when they actually vocalize it like its their first time to the rodeo.....pal. How about, other producers who laugh since you cant properly operate your DAW?

So you really "re-boost" peoples audio since you cant properly operate Audi 3.0 and your not an amateur? Thats some scary math there....

What youre selling ~ Im not buying.

Let me get this straight Chris ~ youre over 7000 posts deep at Gearslutz, are exporting mixes at -3db, and then "re-boosting" them? And am I supposed to feel bad for thinking that youre full of shite as far as your musical and production prowess?

Here's a tip: How about you save yourself a step and properly deal with your settings inside the DAW youre using to charge people to mess with their audio. Sound fair?
When youre done with that, get back to posing. We all love it.

[mike cantu]

Hey BINO 5150, thanks for the explanation. I haven't experienced that problem, but thanks to people like you who have a problem, post it...and then we can see the solutions others post! You live and learn, thanks!

[tribeofenki]

The Groupie: You're sooo lovely, Honey... Come here...

The Engineer: Wait, I have to mixdown with Audition!

The Groupie: I'm sooo lonely right now, sooo lonely...

The Engineer: -3 dB ?? Oh, F**K... I'm coming Baby...

[bino_5150]

Yeah I swear by Audition. I googled when I first experienced the problem, but all I saw was BS answers on other sites that were worthless. The one thread I found on the Adobe forum, somebody posted a link and the op was so happy that that fixed his problem... except the link no longer worked, and he never actually said what the fix was.

So I was like screw this, I'm going to Gearslutz lol.

[Jonkr]

Originally Posted by RasCricket

Im not so sure about that, bud. I think you talk a lot of talk and WISH you were ready to charge people to do things to their audio....

But I for one, do not think you are ready. You say far too many things all the time that are simply...WTF.

How about you talk about how all the girls rush straight to you? Who do you really think youre selling your bullcrap to, bro? Other musicians who DONT tour? Who dont see this crap everyday? Some of us DO see that crap everyday and speaks volumes about a noob when they actually vocalize it like its their first time to the rodeo.....pal. How about, other producers who laugh since you cant properly operate your DAW?

So you really "re-boost" peoples audio since you cant properly operate Audi 3.0 and your not an amateur? Thats some scary math there....

What youre selling ~ Im not buying.

Let me get this straight Chris ~ youre over 7000 posts deep at Gearslutz, are exporting mixes at -3db, and then "re-boosting" them? And am I supposed to feel bad for thinking that youre full of shite as far as your musical and production prowess?

Here's a tip: How about you save yourself a step and properly deal with your settings inside the DAW youre using to charge people to mess with their audio. Sound fair?
When youre done with that, get back to posing. We all love it.

Really? I don't know if you have a grudge against Chris for some other reason but you need to chill. It's not that serious. He takes enough crap from everyone else around here. I agree with you about the pan law settings. That's the first thing I would have checked. But Chris's music sounds good. And a 3db loss when working in 24 bit isn't going to destroy or degrade anyone's audio by any perceivable amount.

[Chris Lago]

Originally Posted by Jonkr

Really? I don't know if you have a grudge against Chris for some other reason but you need to chill. It's not that serious. He takes enough crap from everyone else around here. I agree with you about the pan law settings. That's the first thing I would have checked. But Chris's music sounds good. And a 3db loss when working in 24 bit isn't going to destroy or degrade anyone's audio by any perceivable amount.

Hey, by the way I did change the setting for bouncing, it's just that I never bounce inside the Daw itself (when the mixes are done) because I record my Mytek DA with my Mytek AD , It just sounds much better. To me it sounds muffled when you do a mixdown of 140 tracks inside the DAW.

[bino_5150]

Actually Jonkr, I'm working in 32 bit, but it's still a pain when you get everything just how you want it, and then it changes when you bounce it.

Even so, at some point, especially with effects on, you might end up having to deal with your s/n ratio, depending on when and where in the process the cut is actually coming from. Don't like to take chances...

[kid dynamike]

I was having the same problem and came across this thread. I went back and changed the setting to left/right cut and it's still -3dB when I bounce to a new mono track.

I have a vocal performance that is cut up in a few takes that I want to bounce to one complete mono track.

Any further info on this?

Thanks

[kid dynamike]

Originally Posted by kid dynamike

I was having the same problem and came across this thread. I went back and changed the setting to left/right cut and it's still -3dB when I bounce to a new mono track.

I have a vocal performance that is cut up in a few takes that I want to bounce to one complete mono track.

Any further info on this?

Thanks

Ok half nevermind/half not...

I recorded a few seconds of guitar and bounced the track to a new mono since changing the setting and it's completely perfect.

It's only in these sessions that were tracked before I changed the setting that it won't cooperate.

How can I remedy this?

[bino_5150]

My guess would be to open the session and then change the setting and save. I haven't crossed this bridge yet, but by doing this, I'd be prepared to do some re-mixing as it might throw off the levels in the session that were mixed with the previous pan law.