Kanye West Drums

[Abdul-Kadir]

I don't get it. People comparing Kanye's drums to Primo, Rza and Dilla. He's not on their level when it comes to drums.

Listen to Ironman and Wu Tang Forever. Check out Moment Of Truth. Have you heard Fantastic Vol. 2 and Welcome 2 Detroit?

Kanye is nowhere near that level when it comes to drums.

Mannie Fresh, old Timbaland stuff, Dilla, Bink! I think guys like that did alot of innovative stuff for drums in rap music. And sonically Dre of course.

[The Marrvel]

Perhaps Mr. Dean would be kind enough to give us an eq tutorial on chopped breaks...

[longbongsilver]

I imagine it's just a more surgical-precision version of minimizing unwanted vinyl noise.

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Originally Posted by MitchGeist

HAven't a topic on this yet. How does Kanye get those good drums he's got? I'm especially talking about the drums used on The College Dropout. He has really nice claps and his kicks are really hard, and sound very vinylish. Does anybody have any info on how he gets em like that or where he gets his drum samples from?

if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its a duck, so if his sounds like vinyl then perhaps it is no need to complicate shit get some drum breaks .

[g22]

Originally Posted by Abdul-Kadir

IMO drums are the weakest part of his music. The kicks on some songs sound like he's banging on a cardboard box.

I actually think thats one of the best parts about his music, is that his kicks sound more organic and real. Referring to his early work, of course. If you cant enjoy a song without a booming kick in your chest, I suggest you pick up 808's and heartbreak or lil jon lol

[g22]

Originally Posted by Abdul-Kadir

I don't get it. People comparing Kanye's drums to Primo, Rza and Dilla. He's not on their level when it comes to drums.

Listen to Ironman and Wu Tang Forever. Check out Moment Of Truth. Have you heard Fantastic Vol. 2 and Welcome 2 Detroit?

Kanye is nowhere near that level when it comes to drums.

Mannie Fresh, old Timbaland stuff, Dilla, Bink! I think guys like that did alot of innovative stuff for drums in rap music. And sonically Dre of course.

idk, when innovative drums come to mind, I'm not thinking of Mannie Fresh or Bink, lol. Timbo, Dre, and Dilla, yes.

[Abdul-Kadir]

Originally Posted by g22

idk, when innovative drums come to mind, I'm not thinking of Mannie Fresh or Bink, lol. Timbo, Dre, and Dilla, yes.

To me Bink was one of the first rap producer who used the whole drum kit (not just the kick, snare, hat) in a very musical way. On the old Cash Money stuff Mannie Fresh did some very interesting things with the drum-programming. Check it out.

[g22]

Originally Posted by Abdul-Kadir

To me Bink was one of the first rap producer who used the whole drum kit (not just the kick, snare, hat) in a very musical way. On the old Cash Money stuff Mannie Fresh did some very interesting things with the drum-programming. Check it out.

Yeah I always thought Bink was dope, nothing against him, just don't remember hearing anything overly innovative with his drums. There was a track he did on an old Nate Dogg album with Ludacris, that I thought was kind of innovative, but because of his instrumention with guitars, which hadn't been used much at the time in hip hop., but not in his drums really.

Mannie Fresh, I liked his beats on the first or secong Hot Boys album and on the first BG and Juvenile albums, but it wasn't anythig I hadn't heard before. After those albums I lost interest in cash money.

I can get what your saying though. They were different at the time, just for me personally, I had heard stuff like that before.

[mgthefuture]

I was most disheartened to find that alot of the Timbo loops i fell in love with could be found on a sample CD somewhere branded by india or persia.

[KingAce771]

I may be the minority with this, but i was and still am not impressed with Ye's drums. I actually think his drums are weak, thin and very simplistic. In my opinion, there is nothing, absolutely nothing special about this man's drums.

If you listen close enough, he actually uses the same hollow sounding kick in a lot of his beats. And to me and my untrained ear, it sounds very hollow and lifeless. I personally think his sample selections outshine his drum selection by leaps and bounds. I'm talking from Chicago to Toulon.

P.S. And if you really wanna talk about dope rhymes AND beats, with TRULY slappin drums... Two words for ya. 'Black Milk'. IMHO, diarrhea all over Kanye!

Just my opinion.

[Marshall Oliver]

Originally Posted by artoflife

yeah kanye west drum programmming not his strong suit like 9th wonder

i would go with black milk for drum programming or pete rock

I love 9th wonder's programming because he does so much with the simpliest patterns. Man is a monster.

[Storyville]

Originally Posted by Marshall Oliver

I love 9th wonder's programming because he does so much with the simpliest patterns. Man is a monster.

I'll cosign that Marshall!

I don't think Kanye's drums are weak as some people has said. He gets the best he can get - whether that means biting from other records, hiring Timbaland - going through twenty engineers to find the one that clicks. He doesn't seem to really settle in terms of quality, no matter what the terms are to get the best sound.

However, I'll agree that Kanye's strength isn't the drums - it's more about what's going on around the drums that impresses me. His musical ideas, to my ear, are pretty impressive.

Then again, every time I say something positive about Kanye West someone asks me how I can think that - so who knows?