protecting your instrumentals and yourself

ozzborn · 19th December 2005, 08:09 AM

?????

if you are sending out tracks to A&R reps at record labels, is it wise to tag your tracks or would you send them out as is.

I attached a track for an example

con?one · 19th December 2005, 07:32 PM

i listened to it, and honestly, something like that is going to hurt you. the a&r, or whoever, is only going to pass it along if they're digging it 90% of the time. and nowadays, not only do rappers wanna write to it, but half the time they wanna record right over the 2track before they're sure if they like the song. (dave, you weren't there when they tracked your 50 record, right? i never heard my banks record until that shit was mixed)
is that the greatest? no... it's wack as shit, especially with the mixtape game where it's at, because as a producer, it paints you into a corner... but that's what it is. so to have a continuous thing over the beat takes away from it and makes it much easier to skip to the next track or next cd.
with all that being said, a small name tag or a drop ain't gonna kill anybody... as long as you can not distract form the track itself

ozzborn · 19th December 2005, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by con?one

i listened to it, and honestly, something like that is going to hurt you. the a&r, or whoever, is only going to pass it along if they're digging it 90% of the time. and nowadays, not only do rappers wanna write to it, but half the time they wanna record right over the 2track before they're sure if they like the song. (dave, you weren't there when they tracked your 50 record, right? i never heard my banks record until that shit was mixed)
is that the greatest? no... it's wack as shit, especially with the mixtape game where it's at, because as a producer, it paints you into a corner... but that's what it is. so to have a continuous thing over the beat takes away from it and makes it much easier to skip to the next track or next cd.
with all that being said, a small name tag or a drop ain't gonna kill anybody... as long as you can not distract form the track itself

so is there anything you can do to protect yourself other than copyrights.

are you talking about banks is first record or his unrealesed album that was scrapped.

Methlab · 19th December 2005, 10:16 PM

i publish my beats with my ASCAP company, but you are always at risk. I hate tags too, like I couldnt make it through your whole beat I hate tags that much.

I have a freind who is doing really well right now, he was hooked up with an AR at Atlantic, and he would send him beats that were usually around 32 bars..enough to rotate all the way through so you could loop them.

Maybe a quick Tag in the build up/intro and that's it...if someone seriously bites my shit after I sent to to an AR, then fine, ill write more beats..whatever, somethings are just out of your control.

babyface_finsta · 19th December 2005, 10:51 PM

[quote=Methlab]he was hooked up with an AR at Atlantic, and he would send him beats that were usually around 32 bars..enough to rotate all the way through so you could loop them.QUOTE]

Maybe it just me... but that doesn't make sense... why wouldn't they be able to chop 2, 4 or 8 bars... loop that for the verse... chop the intro part (for the intro or bridge)... chop the change up for the hook... etc etc etc... then reformat the loops/sequences in the structure they want.... Hmmm... maybe I just mis-read the whole thing...

Methlab · 19th December 2005, 11:09 PM

no..they totally could if they wanted. that's the risk. but, like I said these beats were going out to an AR who asked him to send him any beat he made. so you have to risk if you trust the guy or not. thats what it boils down to.

but to me, anyone who chops 32 bars from a 2 channel mix that most likely have reverb tails, and maybe not even a break with just drums is going to have a shit song....i like each verse to have a different feel, and I think with 32 bars its good enough to loop for a rapper to get on and see if he likes, but not enough for an entire well produced song...i know some guys reel beats that are entire songs..I believe Disco said thats what he does..he prolly has excelltn, trusted contacts that he knows won't bite his shit....its just different for each guy..i just hate tags personally.

Tibbon · 19th December 2005, 11:37 PM

Many record companies (and smart AR folk) don't just "accept beats" or anything for that matter in due to legal issues. They normally ask you for them. Many do not accept any tapes/cds/whatever to just be "listened to" anymore, because of legal problems.

Also they don't listen to them, due to the fact that today it matters more how a person looks and what their "image is" than anything else.

**TonyBelmont** · 19th December 2005, 11:39 PM

^^^^ Did you always have that avatar, Methlab?

Methlab · 20th December 2005, 12:10 AM

nah..just put it up a day or so ago, but ill pull it if it's not ok for the site.

**TonyBelmont** · 20th December 2005, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Methlab

nah..just put it up a day or so ago, but ill pull it if it's not ok for the site.

No, I don't care about that... She's bangin'!

Relax · 20th December 2005, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

No, I don't care about that... She's bangin'!

lol, I agree. As Trick Daddy would say- "It's fo tha kids"

beatzz · 20th December 2005, 03:46 AM

VERY NICE haha

con?one · 20th December 2005, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzborn

so is there anything you can do to protect yourself other than copyrights.

are you talking about banks is first record or his unrealesed album that was scrapped.

Not much... But the way to protect yourself is just don't give every herb on earth a beat cd. And if you do, that's the risk. Shit happens, but hey, scared money don't make money.
I didn't have anythink on banks' first album (we did a song but I got red spyda'd). The song we did didn't leak, which is cool.

Relax · 20th December 2005, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by con?one

Not much... But the way to protect yourself is just don't give every herb on earth a beat cd. And if you do, that's the risk. Shit happens, but hey, scared money don't make money.
I didn't have anythink on banks' first album (we did a song put I got red spyda'd). The song we did didn't leak, which is cool.

as in jacked, replaced by or ghosted?

con?one · 20th December 2005, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relax

as in jacked, replaced by or ghosted?

as in put on a whoo kid tape. meaning, alot of stuff they've done with red spyda has wound up on mixtapes, etc... which sucks

ozzborn · 21st December 2005, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by con?one

as in put on a whoo kid tape. meaning, alot of stuff they've done with red spyda has wound up on mixtapes, etc... which sucks

i guess you can say good bye to any royaltychecks/publishing.
i hope you at least got some doe,and if not i guess its something else to add to your resume.

on another note how did you get your song placed, we may have a mutual friend at the -unit.

email with your phone number or ill email you mine

con?one · 21st December 2005, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzborn

i guess you can say good bye to any royaltychecks/publishing.
i hope you at least got some doe,and if not i guess its something else to add to your resume.

on another note how did you get your song placed, we may have a mutual friend at the -unit.

email with your phone number or ill email you mine

that shit was a trade off anyway, it is what it is.
u can email me at conone@conone.net.
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19th December 2005, 07:32 PM	#2
con?one Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 665	i listened to it, and honestly, something like that is going to hurt you. the a&r, or whoever, is only going to pass it along if they're digging it 90% of the time. and nowadays, not only do rappers wanna write to it, but half the time they wanna record right over the 2track before they're sure if they like the song. (dave, you weren't there when they tracked your 50 record, right? i never heard my banks record until that shit was mixed) is that the greatest? no... it's wack as shit, especially with the mixtape game where it's at, because as a producer, it paints you into a corner... but that's what it is. so to have a continuous thing over the beat takes away from it and makes it much easier to skip to the next track or next cd. with all that being said, a small name tag or a drop ain't gonna kill anybody... as long as you can not distract form the track itself __________________ : : c o n ? o n e : : www.conone.net www.myspace.com/conone

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Tibbon Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Boston/MA Posts: 4,109	Many record companies (and smart AR folk) don't just "accept beats" or anything for that matter in due to legal issues. They normally ask you for them. Many do not accept any tapes/cds/whatever to just be "listened to" anymore, because of legal problems. Also they don't listen to them, due to the fact that today it matters more how a person looks and what their "image is" than anything else. __________________ David Fisher (aka tibbon) What is Noise, Blog (DIY, gear, tech, etc) Follow me on Twitter

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19th December 2005, 10:16 PM	#4
Methlab Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 2,421	i publish my beats with my ASCAP company, but you are always at risk. I hate tags too, like I couldnt make it through your whole beat I hate tags that much. I have a freind who is doing really well right now, he was hooked up with an AR at Atlantic, and he would send him beats that were usually around 32 bars..enough to rotate all the way through so you could loop them. Maybe a quick Tag in the build up/intro and that's it...if someone seriously bites my shit after I sent to to an AR, then fine, ill write more beats..whatever, somethings are just out of your control.

19th December 2005, 10:51 PM	#5
babyface_finsta Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: VA Posts: 316	[quote=Methlab]he was hooked up with an AR at Atlantic, and he would send him beats that were usually around 32 bars..enough to rotate all the way through so you could loop them.QUOTE] Maybe it just me... but that doesn't make sense... why wouldn't they be able to chop 2, 4 or 8 bars... loop that for the verse... chop the intro part (for the intro or bridge)... chop the change up for the hook... etc etc etc... then reformat the loops/sequences in the structure they want.... Hmmm... maybe I just mis-read the whole thing...

19th December 2005, 11:09 PM	#6
Methlab Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 2,421	no..they totally could if they wanted. that's the risk. but, like I said these beats were going out to an AR who asked him to send him any beat he made. so you have to risk if you trust the guy or not. thats what it boils down to. but to me, anyone who chops 32 bars from a 2 channel mix that most likely have reverb tails, and maybe not even a break with just drums is going to have a shit song....i like each verse to have a different feel, and I think with 32 bars its good enough to loop for a rapper to get on and see if he likes, but not enough for an entire well produced song...i know some guys reel beats that are entire songs..I believe Disco said thats what he does..he prolly has excelltn, trusted contacts that he knows won't bite his shit....its just different for each guy..i just hate tags personally.

20th December 2005, 12:10 AM	#9
Methlab Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 2,421	nah..just put it up a day or so ago, but ill pull it if it's not ok for the site.

20th December 2005, 03:46 AM	#12
beatzz Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 262	VERY NICE haha