about the Roland MV-8800......

[ReasonableLogic]

Originally Posted by Caramel

The MV can pretty much do what the MPC does and MUCH more.
The MPC can NOT do what the MV does and more. .. If you get my drift.

If you use your ingenuity you can make it sound like an old 12 bit sampler. (CLUE : It`s not the sample rate converter in the effects section.) I discovered a way to make my samples sound old school and haven`t come across anyone else that is doing it.
Can you guess? In the manual it is discribed as a feature for a differant use.

Do tell.

[emgexclusive]

Use it everyday w a fantom g8. it's my baby. it has it's strengths and weaknesses just like any piece of gear. Wish quantization was more stiff like an mpc/ logic.... but it's not really a prob if you've got rhythm in ur body. Time stretching is poo as well......I normally do so in ProTools or import using my CDJS. Besides the complaints it's my workhorse. Converters are great and my beats pound.

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[Muser]

Originally Posted by ReasonableLogic

Do tell.

probably de-emphasis.

actually the MV Samples should be pre emphasized because the output (always) is de-emphasizing. but you had better watch out on cymbals and Hi Hats if you do that. It's best to have samples at -13db for that reason. There is no Gain reduction routine in the MV sample systems though. :(O

pre-emaphasis is a high shelf which can add about +12db to the highs is why.
every non Roland sample will generally not have the proper compensating frequency differential.
you can hear it in the attack transients of snare drums etc.
it's often subtle but that Transient information is the most vital part of sound and unless emphasis is included in the samples you have got from your computer of other non Roland Libraries then, the sound of the roland engine is not working to spec.

anyhow, de-emphasis is the reverse. a -12db shelf.

[Caramel]

Originally Posted by Muser

probably de-emphasis.

actually the MV Samples should be pre emphasized because the output (always) is de-emphasizing. but you had better watch out on cymbals and Hi Hats if you do that. It's best to have samples at -13db for that reason. There is no Gain reduction routine in the MV sample systems though. :(O

pre-emaphasis is a high shelf which can add about +12db to the highs is why.
every non Roland sample will generally not have the proper compensating frequency differential.
you can hear it in the attack transients of snare drums etc.
it's often subtle but that Transient information is the most vital part of sound and unless emphasis is included in the samples you have got from your computer of other non Roland Libraries then, the sound of the roland engine is not working to spec.

anyhow, de-emphasis is the reverse. a -12db shelf.

De-emphasis lets you stack hi hats and brighter stuff on sampled drums and loops without fatiguing sissle. Just like 12 bit samplers did.

[Muser]

Originally Posted by Caramel

De-emphasis lets you stack hi hats and brighter stuff on sampled drums and loops without fatiguing sissle. Just like 12 bit samplers did.

yeah.. sounds like a good idea. you mean when adding the four zones I take it.

I don't think the MV allow overlapping keys if I remember right. which would be a shame because then you could filter multiple drums independently. the Z8 Engine lets you do that btw. so the MPC4K can do that. I think they just made the 5K able to as well.

anyhow, I tried loading an Akai sample CD I made full of Drum Kits and then tried applying to every sample on mass, the pre-emphasis curve.

It took Seven hours.

many of the cymbals and Hi Hats were screwed because of the Hi Frequency boost in the pre-emphasis curve.

Roland don't have a Gain changing routine in either the MV8800 or the MV8000.. which is a JOKE!! because generally samples NEED the pre-emphasis to sound fully natural. Roland need to still get this sorted in any updates. It is a crippling limitation for a high Quality Sample Engine like these.

unless someone want's to take every sample and then save it as a Wav and then transfer that to a computer and batch process them all with a -13db cut and then transfer them back and dial in the new samples to the patches.

They must be kidding me.. they need to sort this out with a Gain change Algorithm.