Reason 5's sampler is eh whatever!

[optikstrange]

I didnt really get that deep into the sampler but i spent 10 min on it and its not all that.It seems to simple and not a whole lot of options.One thing i hate is u cant chop and i dont wanna open up recycle cause i hate the program.Ill give it another try but if someone can tell me better then please do.

[mgthefuture]

Im over Reason...since 2.0

their novelty is holding them back

[rickrock305]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

Im over Reason...since 2.0

their novelty is holding them back

its cool if you use it for what it is...a glorified sound module.

[optikstrange]

Originally Posted by rickrock305

its cool if you use it for what it is...a glorified sound module.

Thats prolly what ill end up doin! The midi sync to MPC 1000 is so easy! but that disables the automation in reason and regroove mixer (Which i used today for the first time and really like) then again the mpc has its own swing and groove.I havent figure out how to do automation in pro tools yet.

[AusChris]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

Im over Reason...since 2.0

their novelty is holding them back

Pretty sure propellerheads are doing well financially, not sure that the way they make their software is holding them back.

I love reason just the way it is 1. quickly find sounds 2. compose track 3. tweak the sounds. Never have to worry about CPU, memory or having it crash. It's weird but I find the limited instruments/devices actually helps me...I learn them inside out and don't spend as much time on choosing.

I know lots of people don't like the sequencer in reason and end up using it as a 'glorified sound module' but I find it quick and easy....then when I'm finished I'll rewire into cubase.

Not for everyone that's for sure.

Bit of a shame the new sampler doesn't let you chop but at least we have sampling now (one step at a time )

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

Im over Reason...since 2.0

their novelty is holding them back

Reason 5 is a lot better than 2.0 especially when teamed with Record. Its still just as powerful as its always been.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by rickrock305

its cool if you use it for what it is...a glorified sound module.

why not use it as a complete package?

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by AusChris

Bit of a shame the new sampler doesn't let you chop but at least we have sampling now (one step at a time )

this has less to do with what reason cant do and more with people not knowing wtf they are doing. u can chop your samples in the sample editor in Reason 5 you just need to make several copies. I do the same thing on my mpc 2000 the same way

[rickrock305]

Originally Posted by KevWest

why not use it as a complete package?

nothing wrong with using it as a complete package. but IMO when it comes to sequencing, editing, effects, etc., there are other things that do the job much better.

[Studio507]

Yea I just learned to chop on NNXT&NN19 like last week and I been usin the program for like 6 years...as a glorified sound module. Had i known then what I know now I might not have switched back to hardware. The samplers function very much like an ASR-10 which is my favorite sampler of all time...the sequencer behaves a lot like an mpc...but I won't be getting rid of my 3000 any time soon.

[Studio507]

Well. If they had implemented the direct recording feature earlier I should say.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by rickrock305

nothing wrong with using it as a complete package. but IMO when it comes to sequencing, editing, effects, etc., there are other things that do the job much better.

i agree with u to some point. I think because I have more experience with Reason than anything else that using it and Record just make sense to me. I can get just about any kind of sound I want out of Reason w/ Record

[Jake Gilla]

Chopping in Reason 5 with the sample editor is so raw. Props to Props for sorting this out.

[atma]

I still think it's better to chop samples manually. I load pretty sizable sequences in halion and work backwards from the last note i want (cuts tend to be more precise if you work backwards, especially with polyphonic material). I've never found recycle to give great results without manually adjusting every point, so it's sort of futile. If the reason 5 sampler can snap start/end markers to 0-point crossings it should be pretty simple.

[SushiConQueso]

It's eh whatever if it doesn't fit your workflow. If you were waiting for something that let's you Recycle something and spit out a rex file, then yes this is a let down. To be perfectly honest, I was hoping to see that as well but for whatever reason Propellerheads hasn't put that in there just yet.

Having said that, yes you can manually chop samples and you can also do it the old school way a la any hardware sampler before all this auto chop craziness. Some people prefer that school, others just want the speed of Recycle and the visual aspect. If you happen to use the audio editor portion of Record, this is actually pretty darn easy to do.

I personally don't sample but I can play keys so i'll build samples or chop up phrases on occasion. I still think if sample chopping is your thing, then Ableton or maybe even Maschine is more to your calling.

For creative sampling though, Reason 5's sampler is the shit. Like their promo video suggests, it's going the old school route. It's amazing what you can do with a car door, the washing machine, some pots and pans and your own voice. If you can't see the power in that, combined with Reason's ability to patch CV and get to really freaking some sounds out, then you're missing out homie.

[m.forbes]

just got reason 5 today, heard so many great things about kong i wanted to check it out, but i failed to do my research before getting it, so hopefully this can be done.....I use my digi003 rack as my audio interface with logic (without running protools) does reason 5 allow this to be done as well? I just tried and its a big X next to the digi003 when I select it.

[SynthLine09]

I love reason for the following 2 reasons:

1. It forces/allows me to use my brain and be creative

2. It doesn't distract me with tons of plugins/effects can do without, and allows me to focus on composing music.


Its great for me, very simple and versatile. I have written everything from Trumpet solo's with electronic accompaniments to big band jazz charts using it. Something about Reason just makes sense to my brain

[m.forbes]

hey you have any clue about the above ? i asked? so mad at myself for not researching this first

[mgthefuture]

I always known how to zone sample / chops in nnxt...that was a big deal and some former ASR users on another forum pointed it out.

and having access to Recycle -> rex wasnt bad either..just wish Recycle was IN reason ...or record as they have it.

other than that, why dont u guys just chop your samples in a wave editor as slices and load em that way??? why do u have to SLICE in reason? like loading a whole song in reason (to sample) doesnt sound very wise...else get ableton.

as far as results...the instruments in VSTi always appealed more to me, as far back as hypersonic 1...

its just really about what SOUND you going for.

i knew one guy greg/pg13 who was all about his reason, and made regular ass sounds into great productions from their library...so...

but no timestretch, no cutting on the sequencer and so on..really get to me

[AJ Reynolds]

Originally Posted by m.forbes

just got reason 5 today, heard so many great things about kong i wanted to check it out, but i failed to do my research before getting it, so hopefully this can be done.....I use my digi003 rack as my audio interface with logic (without running protools) does reason 5 allow this to be done as well? I just tried and its a big X next to the digi003 when I select it.

don't know what's going on there. i use digi hardware (M Box 2) and had no problems.

[optikstrange]

Originally Posted by m.forbes

just got reason 5 today, heard so many great things about kong i wanted to check it out, but i failed to do my research before getting it, so hopefully this can be done.....I use my digi003 rack as my audio interface with logic (without running protools) does reason 5 allow this to be done as well? I just tried and its a big X next to the digi003 when I select it.

Im using the 003 console with no probs.

[m.forbes]

r u also running protools?...if not what did you do to get your working? mine works fine with logic 9 and the digi core audio drivers but not with reason...im on leopard as well

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

I always known how to zone sample / chops in nnxt...that was a big deal and some former ASR users on another forum pointed it out.

and having access to Recycle -> rex wasnt bad either..just wish Recycle was IN reason ...or record as they have it.

other than that, why dont u guys just chop your samples in a wave editor as slices and load em that way??? why do u have to SLICE in reason? like loading a whole song in reason (to sample) doesnt sound very wise...else get ableton.

as far as results...the instruments in VSTi always appealed more to me, as far back as hypersonic 1...

its just really about what SOUND you going for.

i knew one guy greg/pg13 who was all about his reason, and made regular ass sounds into great productions from their library...so...

but no timestretch, no cutting on the sequencer and so on..really get to me

you make some really good points. And how is Greg? I remember back in the day him being scared to put his beats online and would call you like listen to my ish via cellphone and it was always crazy. I haven't talked to him in about 2 years. Anway the sample editor in Reason directly really makes life a lot easier when dealing with samples in Reason. Recycle imo is still easier but imo I would rather chop in Recycle than most things. And I am surprised they didn't add time stretch to the sample editor either but oh well you can still time stretch in the Record sequencer. Its great time stretch too.

[Llitsor]

Originally Posted by m.forbes

r u also running protools?...if not what did you do to get your working? mine works fine with logic 9 and the digi core audio drivers but not with reason...im on leopard as well

It is a Digidesign core audio driver problem. I thought it was fixed in a recent update from them.. If not, there is an older one you can roll back to that works.
Im not 100% on the specifics, so you might want to hit up Google. But it is a known issue.

[CaliTone]

Originally Posted by m.forbes

just got reason 5 today, heard so many great things about kong i wanted to check it out, but i failed to do my research before getting it, so hopefully this can be done.....I use my digi003 rack as my audio interface with logic (without running protools) does reason 5 allow this to be done as well? I just tried and its a big X next to the digi003 when I select it.

I had that happen with my 002R. The only way i could use reason or record was as a rewire to pro tools or logic. However, if you get the latest coreaudio update from Avid it should fix the issue. I can now use Reason and Record standalone without having to rewire it to PT or Logic.

[Remeniz]

I use Reason 4 and love it. But i've seen people mock Reason and say, "meh. Nuendo/Sonar/Reaper/Ableton/Cubase/Pro Tools is better". Like WTF!?! The last person to compare Reason to Ableton that I spoke to also refereed to his Novation 25 SL Mk2 Midi Controller as a synth for crying out loud! Major fail.

I can't speak for Record cause I haven't got it but i'd like it cause I 'understand' what it is just like I 'understand' what Reason is. Reason has never tried to be a sequencer application but what it is good at is being a all-in-one studio with superb internal patching of it's equipment. I can just load it up and get an idea down quickly.

ReWire Reason to a sequencer and you have a nice production tool.

I wouldn't mind but the people that complain about Reason always compare it to a sequencer, duh!, or have not given it the time of day. Reason has it's own sequencer which works great as intended.

So compare if your gonna compare Reason with something then compare it with something similar.

/Rant

[ep1c0ne]

They might not be the same thing, but what can you do in Reason that you can't do in Logic?

[rickrock305]

Originally Posted by Mr.Cheese

What?!? Sequencing is a sinch in Reason. It's the REASON I love this program. Editing is the same. It's easy. If you never got into the program, that's fine, but you can't pass judgement on a program you never really used. If all programs were designed like Reason, it woudl make my life a lot easier.

Sure it's easy. But not nearly as full featured as other applications.

[SynthLine09]

Here is what i've done in the course of a day with the new live sampling feature in Reason 5.

Everything in this piece has been recorded from a dr. pepper can or bottle and been manipulated within reason


Dr. Pepper

not quite finished yet, but enjoy!

[Jake Gilla]

Originally Posted by ep1c0ne

They might not be the same thing, but what can you do in Reason that you can't do in Logic?

Have ridiculous amounts of control over audio and CV routing....