Reason 5's sampler is eh whatever!

[RasCricket]

Originally Posted by rickrock305

Sure it's easy. But not nearly as full featured as other applications.

Please let us all know the features that Reason does NOT have that other sequencers do have.

Please. I really wanna hear this.

[sardi]

Originally Posted by RasCricket

Please let us all know the features that Reason does NOT have that other sequencers do have.

Please. I really wanna hear this.

Whilst I appreciate your love for the app, you need to settle down on the whole 'Reason can do everything and if you can't write a hit in Reason - it's you' thing.

I have been a user of the app since v1 and whilst I think it's a great program and you can pretty much do anything you want in it, there are other apps that have a lot of extra features.

Two simple things that always spring to mind when using Reason's sequencer is: where's the paint brush tool to draw a series of notes in a row & why can't I resize my one bar clip to fill the length of my 27" wide screen? There's a lot of other feature's it's missing that I'm sure are more important to certain people.

Seriously, it's a great app but there's a lot of other great apps too. It might be the best for you but it doesn't mean it's the best for everyone else.

It's like when I'm in other sequencers/DAW's and I think to myself 'why don't they have patch cable's and advanced CV routing like Reason?' Doesn't mean those apps are rubbish because they don't have it.

[creegstor]

Originally Posted by Jake Gilla

Have ridiculous amounts of control over audio and CV routing....

[AJ Reynolds]

Originally Posted by Jake Gilla

Have ridiculous amounts of control over audio and CV routing....

this is the best thing about Reason.

the people who don't like Reason generally don't see the potential here. it's one giant modular synth and sampling studio that can go far deeper than your average DAW and without VST's either.

[TheSwab]

I've been using Reason for years and really enjoy it, but I feel like it's easier for me to export tracks and import them pro tools instead of using rewire. The only thing that irks me is that you can't export in mono, so all my individual drum tracks are stereo?!?! I just pan them center b/c It would be too much of a hassle to bus all of them to their own mono tracks. Has this been fixed in reason 5? is there a mono export?

[mgthefuture]

Originally Posted by AJ Reynolds

this is the best thing about Reason.

the people who don't like Reason generally don't see the potential here. it's one giant modular synth and sampling studio that can go far deeper than your average DAW and without VST's either.

Thats a big contradiction, no one is making a beat without a VST in a "daw". Thats like using reason just to record guitar or vocals..oh thats right...you cant.

LOL

so in the case of a FL studio...you buy one VSTi Rompler...and you're set.

Features that FL have over Reason "in the box"

Note Limiter (confine keys to a scale or chord)

The Scale and Chord charts (click one button) and you can draw a whole progression.

Easy Bussing

Virtually Unlimited Tracks

TIMESTRETCH

Adjustable Slicex Markers (for sampling, no copy and paste jobs)

The ability to manipulate audio on the sequencer (fade in, fade out, convolution, etc)

BATCH EXPORTING

And etc...

If you're a "sampler" you don't need anything else.

If you like R&B or Urban sound...Buy Halion Sonic for 250$

FL itself is just 99$

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So whats great about reason again?

To be fair: Very Stable and all self contained....thats its novelty.

If they fixed the issues i mentioned above..id probably migrate back.

[AJ Reynolds]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

Thats a big contradiction, no one is making a beat without a VST in a "daw". Thats like using reason just to record guitar or vocals..oh thats right...you cant.

LOL

so in the case of a FL studio...you buy one VSTi Rompler...and you're set.

Features that FL have over Reason "in the box"

Note Limiter (confine keys to a scale or chord)

The Scale and Chord charts (click one button) and you can draw a whole progression.

Easy Bussing

Virtually Unlimited Tracks

TIMESTRETCH

Adjustable Slicex Markers (for sampling, no copy and paste jobs)

The ability to manipulate audio on the sequencer (fade in, fade out, convolution, etc)

BATCH EXPORTING

And etc...

If you're a "sampler" you don't need anything else.

If you like R&B or Urban sound...Buy Halion Sonic for 250$

FL itself is just 99$

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So whats great about reason again?

To be fair: Very Stable and all self contained....thats its novelty.

If they fixed the issues i mentioned above..id probably migrate back.

you could at least get your facts right.

LOL

proves my point that people who don't know reason don't see the potential.

[Alxi]

I actually like the new sampling. I haven't use it to it's full capabilities yet but i allows me to record my bass live and i can then just trigger the loop.

It's a very nice addition if you ask me

-Alxi

[Remeniz]

Originally Posted by AJ Reynolds

this is the best thing about Reason.

the people who don't like Reason generally don't see the potential here. it's one giant modular synth and sampling studio that can go far deeper than your average DAW and without VST's either.

1UP!

Originally Posted by optikstrange

I didnt really get that deep into the sampler but i spent 10 min on it and its not all that.It seems to simple and not a whole lot of options.One thing i hate is u cant chop and i dont wanna open up recycle cause i hate the program.Ill give it another try but if someone can tell me better then please do.

Yea Reason 4 doesn't have a sampler at all but what I do is get all the hard work, sampling, cutting it and trimming so it loops properly, done in Cool Edit Pro. It's an old application but it's great for creating samples and easy to use.

Save them as 44.1Khz @ 16 bit and your done.

Import it into a ReDrum, NN19 or the NN-XT and start playing.

[mgthefuture]

Originally Posted by AJ Reynolds

you could at least get your facts right.

LOL

proves my point that people who don't know reason don't see the potential.

My facts are straight. Reason does none of the above. It doesnt Zone samples (with slice markers), it doesnt midi dump from audio..it doesnt time stretch..it doesnt batch export, and you cant chop audio like you could in a regular daw..


we're not talking coming up with tricks and work arounds in nnxt either..

so you sound like a lost reason user, still, FL for 99 trumps it.

[Kado Avant]

While I don't use Reason exclusively, since v4 it has steadily become my foundation maker for all my work.

Reason 5 offers a lot of things with some patience and tweaking.

[Jake Gilla]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

My facts are straight. Reason does none of the above. It doesnt Zone samples (with slice markers), it doesnt midi dump from audio..it doesnt time stretch..it doesnt batch export, and you cant chop audio like you could in a regular daw..


we're not talking coming up with tricks and work arounds in nnxt either..

so you sound like a lost reason user, still, FL for 99 trumps it.

Features alone don't make one application or piece of hardware better than another.

The very point of Reason is that it doesn't operate like a normal DAW. If it's not your thing then cool, there are a ton of other DAWs that might work for you.

Reason trumps Fruity Loops in sound design and at a fraction of the CPU hit.

Sure if you want to just chop samples Fruity Loops can be fun. But I enjoy slicing in the new sample editor more than Slice-X and Ableton's Slice to MIDI.

[mgthefuture]

Originally Posted by Jake Gilla

Features alone don't make one application or piece of hardware better than another.

.

No features is why a person uses anything? What you mean.

We can all make bangers in HAmmer Head if we wanted, but we dont...why?

Features ALSO dictate the price of an APP.

Features is why people upgrade their apps.

So FL studio..99$

does everything mentioned above + more...this is why its better than reason.

But we ARE talking about Swords...and not Samurai.

[jerkface]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

But we ARE talking about Swords...and not Samurai.

Exactly. If Fruity Loops is sooo powerful, why haven't you yet done anything? Only place anyone knows you from is here, on Gearslutz. DJ Khalil on the other hand primarily uses Reason. He gots the multi-platinums. You got the double plastics.

So, in this world of samurai, you have been trumped little cricket.

[PhonoquO]

Originally Posted by SynthLine09

Here is what i've done in the course of a day with the new live sampling feature in Reason 5.

Everything in this piece has been recorded from a dr. pepper can or bottle and been manipulated within reason


Dr. Pepper

not quite finished yet, but enjoy!

very creative, great work!

[Jake Gilla]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

No features is why a person uses anything? What you mean.

We can all make bangers in HAmmer Head if we wanted, but we dont...why?

Features ALSO dictate the price of an APP.

Features is why people upgrade their apps.

So FL studio..99$

does everything mentioned above + more...this is why its better than reason.

But we ARE talking about Swords...and not Samurai.

Work Flow above features in my opinion, which is the biggest difference between the two.

On the topic of features, FL studio does not have CV routing, it does not have a visual patching environment, it does not have all your instruments and affects in one screen, it doesn't allow multiple grooves, and the $99 version doesn't have an audio editor.

Even still, FL Studio may be better for you, but better across the board, no way. Can it do more? Maybe if you list every last feature Reason has and every last feature FL Studio has you can find out, my guess is its close enough it doesn't matter.

Your last statement is pretty much true, all I'm saying is a Samurai may be better with one sword than another, which reflects purely on the Samurai not the swords.

For the record I have more time with Fruity Loops than any other studio environment, followed by Ableton, the MV-8000, and then Reason.

[mgthefuture]

You wouldn't CV route FL studio itself, but the synths that come with it, CAN be modulated.

A visual patching environment? No, but it has the best sound browsers one could use..for finding presets, FX, score files, and everything else. And all of my effects and instruments ARE in one screen, and i can change which screen im looking at - at any given time with a shortcut key.

So if i just wanna focus on drum sequencing..i can just look at that.

If i just want to look at my FX..i can do that.

If i just want to look at my VSTi..i can do that.

You can create groups...patterns...hide channels you're not using..and bus...alot easier than Reason on anyday.

It allows multiple Grooves...its called ALT + Q..it comes with alot..but you can make your own with Slixer or FL slicer from imported audio (which Reason cant do)

FL has edison (a wave editor) that lets you slice, drag and drop, render instruments to WAv (24bit), dump to midi score, monophonic audio TO midi notes (like melodyne), and you can record your mic directly inside or guitar or sampler or turntable...and send it out to a mixing board or outboard processing.

None of which reason does on its own...

For 99$

[RasCricket]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

My facts are straight. Reason does none of the above. It doesnt Zone samples (with slice markers), it doesnt midi dump from audio..it doesnt time stretch..it doesnt batch export, and you cant chop audio like you could in a regular daw..


we're not talking coming up with tricks and work arounds in nnxt either..

so you sound like a lost reason user, still, FL for 99 trumps it.

Sorry to be contrary, Mg, but I gotta disagree. You said "no one is making a beat without a VST".

Thats extremely far from the truth. The only thing I need VST's for is in the mixing and Mastering stage when I export all my tracks outta Reason and rebuild the tune in a DAW.

Ive rarely heard anything coming from FL that even impresses me. Thats why I said I thought your track from FL was good, Mg, and it is. No one here can diss or say anything negative about your sound. Youve got a bass and kick drum thats as fat as hell, so any of this talk isnt a knock against you - we're gonna knock FL though.

Myself, I have a 2.5 dual core 3 gig Vista. Now, I highly doubt that I could get 14 to 30 different VSTi's open in a DAW without my computer totally failing. Therefore, performance wise, to me Reason shatters FL. And am I missing out on good sounds? I dont think so. Ive NEVER heard drums from anything done in FL that I couldnt do better with drums from Reason. Never.

Also, Reason does most certainly "zone" samples, and does it with ease. I just took a long waveform that was the entire vocal track to a song, sliced it in ReCycle, loaded it in an NN-XT and with one click, mapped every single individual word to a key on my keyboard. Easy as hell. No weird "workaround" required, simply knowledge of what youre working with is all thats needed.

Just check YouTube for the utter wealth of amateur "beats" done with FL. The drums and sounds used often sound like shit and something thats a FAR cry from being professional.

If you can direct me to a page that shows some professional examples of FL being used, Id love to check it out. Most everything Ive heard from FL sounds like its some kid who is "trying" to be a producer. I simply laugh at most drum sounds I hear from FL, to be honest.

Now....to a few of us, its completely OBVIOUS why Reason is more expensive than FL. Granted, pointing out the $99 price point of FL is certainly relevant. And that is an epic price for what it does. However, the proof is in the pudding, my friend. Ive searched long and hard and most everytime I hear a production done with FL, its less than what Id consider "professional".

So to me, why would I use something that by and large sounds "amateur"? Have I simply missed all these professionally done beats and productions done soley with FL, or is there a possible commonality going on here? I think its the latter. Again, the proof is in the pudding and most everything Ive heard from FL is.....lacking.

[Graal]

Kong is good but lacks one thing.

I have the Akai MPK49 and I only have 12 pads (3 columns and 4 rows).
Kong has 16 pads (4x4)...so ... you probably get the point.
Visually it doesn't help me at all.

I wish there were some way of customizing it for 12 pads or 8 for other keyboards.

Anybody know of such a deal?


Cheers.

[AJ Reynolds]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

If you like R&B or Urban sound...Buy Halion Sonic for 250$

FL itself is just 99$

99$ but your also saying buy Halion Sonic for 250$. that's 349$ + and other VST's you might want = major $$$$$.

VST's are like smokes, once you start buying them you can't stop.

[RasCricket]

Call me a weirdo, but I still prefer to say "VSTi's"......to clarify we're not just talking about something like a Waves L2 or something like that.

I mean, I agree, its addicting to buy them. "VST's", that is. Maybe its since I do the Reason thang so much im locked into talking about VSTi's or VST's.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

No features is why a person uses anything?

not really. lots of people use lots of things for a mass number of reasons. i use Reason because I know it better than anything else at this point. I have all kinds of shit but don't really care much for vsts to use them even though I have a vst host (Sonar)

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by Graal

Kong is good but lacks one thing.

I have the Akai MPK49 and I only have 12 pads (3 columns and 4 rows).
Kong has 16 pads (4x4)...so ... you probably get the point.
Visually it doesn't help me at all.

I wish there were some way of customizing it for 12 pads or 8 for other keyboards.

Anybody know of such a deal?


Cheers.

how is that a Kong issue? Sounds like you just need a different controller or to setup the pad banks for the 4 extra pads

[mgthefuture]

Originally Posted by RasCricket

Sorry to be contrary, Mg, but I gotta disagree. You said "no one is making a beat without a VST".

You made a lot of Good points,.

First off, the Mix on your contest was impeccable. I loved the space and aura of all the sounds, especially coming out of Reason. Which is why i sent the PM i sent you.

But with FL, I'm using a pair of Sony MDRs to mix, and ONE logitech speaker because the other one blew..and the past 10 beats I mixed like that on my page, sound better than most people using my DAW and skill set. That's because of knowlege and information, and applying it.

So when i said no one is not using VSTi's...i meant WITHING FL. No one should be using those little dance and electro sounds that are about 8 bits in urban music that come with FL (for 99$) but for 250$ you can get Halion Sonic or Some East West joints..and have a great start. Shoot buy Sylenth and Urban Electro..and you're golden for pop

All of that is very cheap to do. And the features like wave editing, processing, and exporting, time stretch, remxing, etc etc..is all in the daw. No need for any other program...

Which is the point i was making.

Outside of that, I dont have a problem with reason...to be honest..i would Rather user Ableton Live Over either of them. But i dont.

@ AJ Reynolds...after the first purchase of a VSTi like halion sonic..you shouldnt need another instrument or effect until you start seeing money come back from that investment..honestly.

Im talking strictly startup costs. Because if you did the SAME ideology with reason...You're gonna want a Good mastering plugin, something to record guitar or vocals...some more libraries (orchestras, VSL, Kontakt to reason, etc) as well... So its still gonna get expensive no matter what route you take.

But you can make your whole album off gate in FL with nothing else for 99$

(ive seen it and heard it done)

[mgthefuture]

Originally Posted by KevWest

not really. lots of people use lots of things for a mass number of reasons. i use Reason because I know it better than anything else at this point. I have all kinds of shit but don't really care much for vsts to use them even though I have a vst host (Sonar)

Thats a feature point...the ease of use (for you).

Nothings easier than FL studio though? Especially not sonar LOL

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

Thats a feature point...the ease of use (for you).

Nothings easier than FL studio though? Especially not sonar LOL

you know how I feel about FL lol. Imo Record is the easiest daw I have ever used. Reason imo is easier to use than FL too. Sonar is the shit for me also. I just never liked FL. i dont know if i would call workflow or even the concept of a program a feature either.

[AusChris]

We're spoilt for choice software these days. Both reason and FL are brilliant bits of software. Keep going back to Reason since it's what I started out with but can definitely see how FL suits some people perfectly.

[RasCricket]

Originally Posted by AusChris

We're spoilt for choice software these days. Both reason and FL are brilliant bits of software. Keep going back to Reason since it's what I started out with but can definitely see how FL suits some people perfectly.

Totally.

I think Ive heard many examples of FL and many of the people were using the craptastic sounds that come with the program. Id wager thats a definite factor in why ive been vastly un-impressed. Those guys need to upgrade

[7khat]

Reason & FL Studio Together is the best result

[Goa-Dubs]

And whatever you do make sure you run it out through some analog and back in.I use a pc laptop with motu ultralite and run it out through some outboard and back in to another ultralight into logic on mac book pro.So i use the pc as a big instrument(and mix in some hardware).Theres a qualitity eq,compression and reverb on each ultralite to shape the sound.obviosly all these programes are gonna sound much better if you run the tracks out on different channels.