Cheapest price for Neve....

[atlantis]

Im looking to get a neve pre but i want to find the cheapest price out there.Also so the cheapest api pre .I need them for for rap vocals.So if anyone knows some cheap places feel free to spill the beans.

oh ya i would like to know where great river pre are sold . Thanx

[azwun25]

Originally Posted by atlantis

Im looking to get a neve pre but i want to find the cheapest price out there.Also so the cheapest api pre .I need them for for rap vocals.So if anyone knows some cheap places feel free to spill the beans.

oh ya i would like to know where great river pre are sold . Thanx

Call Alto Music in NY. They ship anywhere and the prices and service are unbeatable. (they carry Great River too! I bought mine there)

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by atlantis

Im looking to get a neve pre but i want to find the cheapest price out there.Also so the cheapest api pre .I need them for for rap vocals.So if anyone knows some cheap places feel free to spill the beans.

oh ya i would like to know where great river pre are sold . Thanx

There is no cheapest price on a Neve... There is only a couple dealers and Alto isn't one of them... They have pretty much the same price no matter who you buy them from. Same kind of goes with API (I am an API dealer and have been known to hook up GS members, though.. wink, wink)..

Anyway, I was reading your other thread, and I just want to let you know that there isn't a magic piece of gear that's going to instantly give you the sound you are looking for. A lot of people don't want to hear that, but if you combine good technique with good ears you will get a great sound without any fancy microphones, etc. I use an SM57's, SM7's and RE20's and I get great vocal sounds. If you are really looking for a good mic pre for hip hop vocals, then check out the Aurora Audio GTQ2mkIII. It has the Neve-style sound that you are looking for and will cost you thousand's of dollars less than a pair of AMS Neve 1073 re-issues. I recall you saying you wanted to spend $3-4k on a vocal chain and a Shure SM7, GTQ2mkIII and a Distressor will give you a great chain for that kind of money.

[chester]

hey Tony. How much is the GTQ2mkIII actually ? You kow soon is christmas.

[azwun25]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

There is no cheapest price on a Neve... There is only a couple dealers and Alto isn't one of them... They have pretty much the same price no matter who you buy them from.

This is true however, on everything else they definitely rock

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by chester

hey Tony. How much is the GTQ2mkIII actually ? You kow soon is christmas.

Check your Private Message box...

[S&M Recording]

Originally Posted by atlantis

Im looking to get a neve pre but i want to find the cheapest price out there.Also so the cheapest api pre .I need them for for rap vocals.So if anyone knows some cheap places feel free to spill the beans.

oh ya i would like to know where great river pre are sold . Thanx

Check out RupertNeve.com

I am getting a Neve Portico, they range form $1650 to $1750

You can hear it on-http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/session10.htm

This is neve's new line of mic pres.

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by I.N.s

Check out RupertNeve.com

I am getting a Neve Portico, they range form $1650 to $1750

You can hear it on-http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/session10.htm

This is neve's new line of mic pres.

The Portico doesn't sound like the older Neve 10xx series of modules which I believe is the sound he is after...

[indie]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

The Portico doesn't sound like the older Neve 10xx series of modules which I believe is the sound he is after...

I agree..I tried it and found it to be boring personally. It was fine, but not something I would get excited about.
Micah

[S&M Recording]

Originally Posted by indie

I agree..I tried it and found it to be boring personally. It was fine, but not something I would get excited about.
Micah

So which neve reissue company do you perfer period?

[RoundBadge]

Also.. for a great neve clone EQ/Pre:There are 2 brand spankin' Chandler ltd-1s in the classifieds..great neve vibe pre/eq's..the prices look pretty good too..

Originally Posted by I.N.s

Check out RupertNeve.com

I am getting a Neve Portico, they range form $1650 to $1750

You can hear it on-http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/session10.htm

This is neve's new line of mic pres.

wow that price went up quickly

[indie]

Originally Posted by I.N.s

So which neve reissue company do you perfer period?

I haven't tried the AMS (which I hear is dead on) but I have used the Brent Averills, Vintechs and Chandler. Out of those, the Chandler LTD-1 was really great.
I really didn't care for the Vintechs, but thought the Brent Averills were nice.
The Brent Averill 1073 copy was REAL close to the sound of my Dan Alexander Neve pres.
There's something very special about a well maintained 10series Neve strip -- I REALLY want to try the GTQ2 mark III.
Micah

[atlantis]

Highprofile: how much is the the GTQ2mk3 and do u use or know of a commercial record that has used one.

[DivineMusic]

cheapest neve cloan is a chameleon labs 7602. is only $800 with PSU. i check one out.. wasn't quite on par with my chandler ltd-1, but it did have a good sound to it. great eq and strong mid range presence.
check it out for the price.
http://www.chameleonlabs.com

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by atlantis

Highprofile: how much is the the GTQ2mk3 and do u use or know of a commercial record that has used one.

I sent you a PM, and yes I know of several commercial records which have used them...

[halfguard]

anyone else with opinions on the vintech 1272? nevermind, i did a search and got my answer...........................

[KeengCong]

can i get a pm of that price too tony...

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by KeengCong

can i get a pm of that price too tony...

You have mail!

[Phunkeman]

Originally Posted by DivineMusic

cheapest neve cloan is a chameleon labs 7602. is only $800 with PSU. i check one out.. wasn't quite on par with my chandler ltd-1, but it did have a good sound to it. great eq and strong mid range presence.
check it out for the price.
http://www.chameleonlabs.com

I have never done the quote thing so i may be doing it wrong. Nevertheless ....how was it not on par with the ltd-1...I am interested in your view. I have had one in my space. I have been waitng for other comparison of this unit but it seems that no one has a commit....I find it strange when every body and thier brother is a pimp and everyone has thier own agenda. For the money its a hot piece. If you're not into " Louie Vitton Syndrome". I am not aware of a better sounding pre for 800.00. Holla

[Vasypher]

FWIW, I bought an Aurora GTQ from Tony and have been nothing but pleased....sounds incredible....definitely give one of those a try. You can drive it to get a Very nice aggressive tone when you want.

[STARSKI]

If you can find one a neve 1290 wont set you back as much as a 1073 and is the same exact pre minus the eq unlike the 1272 which isn't exactly the same. These 1290s were actually extra preamps in neve boards. Haven't seen many around but i love mine and i got a couple eqs now so i was able to get things piece by piece.

[Dor]

my ams-neve 1073 reissue scratched my neve itch for a while. If i went with a clone i'd still be reading neve clone threads.

[jb_studio]

Ah, but the AMS-Neve "re-issue" IS a clone...and that's the rub. It seems that there's never an easy answer to the "how do I get the Neve sound for myself" question. Unless money is no object. You just need to pick one (or a few) and go make some records -- JB

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by jb_studio

Ah, but the AMS-Neve "re-issue" IS a clone...and that's the rub. It seems that there's never an easy answer to the "how do I get the Neve sound for myself" question. Unless money is no object. You just need to pick one (or a few) and go make some records -- JB

The AMS-Neve 1073 reissue is not a clone.

Have you had a chance to look inside?

They use all of the authentic Neve parts(they own all the patents).

Wired exactly the same.

Especially the transformers(which they own the patents for those also).

The AMS-Neve 1073 is a Neve 1073.

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

The AMS-Neve 1073 reissue is not a clone.

Have you had a chance to look inside?

Yes.., as well as dozens of original vintage units and they both look the same. But, I can say that about at least one of the clone's as well..

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

They use all of the authentic Neve parts(they own all the patents).

Wired exactly the same.

Especially the transformers(which they own the patents for those also).

All the authentic parts?? Like what.. Marinair/Radar transformers?(Nope, that company no longer exists) Motorola 2N3055 transistors? Marconi knobs? RAF blue paint? What really seperate's the AMS units from say a Brent Averill? Other than of course the N logo.. Which of these original parts does AMS Neve actually make that other manufacturer's can't buy? The transformer issue has long been put to rest, and basically all new units, including the AMS & the clones, are using the same transformers.

[Dor]

Tony, would you be taking the same stance if you were an authorized Neve dealer?

[jb_studio]

That's funny, I didn't detect a 'stance' in Tony's post. I personally don't see it as a knock on AMS-Neve if other cloners are using some (or all) of the same parts. If AMS-Neve is making a great product, then they are making a great product, and there will be a market for it.

But hey, maybe it's simply a matter of semantics...or maybe we can at least agree to disagree.

After all, what is a clone, and what is the 'real thing?' And what's better?

Is a Universal Audio 1176 a 'real' 1176, or a clone? Universal Audio owns the specs and the name...so that makes it real, right (not a clone)? But if there are subtle differences in the build because some of the parts are hard to source, is it still real, or is it now a clone?

But wait, Andrew from Purple Audio also makes a nice 1176. Okay, certainly that's a clone and not an original, right? (hell, it's bright purple, for chrissakes). But some people seem to like it better than the UA version, and even some of the revisions of the originals...so...hmm.

How about a Telefunken U47 made by Telefunken (USA)? Is that real, or a clone?

My point is this: AMS-Neve is not "Rupert Neve & Co.," and hasn't been for a loooong time (Rupert left almost 30 years ago!). In fact, they are a totally different entity with different leadership, different personnel, and different facilities. Granted, I think there are a couple of guys left from the old regime, but everything else is different -- except the name. And a company is always about the people, never about the name...

In 1985, Neve was sold to Siemens, and AMS and Neve merged in 1992. At that time, the company was focused on their digital films consoles, and later the 88R recording consoles. They were not in the business of making 1073's. Then, when cloners recently started to build successful businesses emulating the 1073 and other Class A Neve designs, AMS-Neve saw an opportunity and decided to start reproducing 1073's themselves. Of course, they had to source the parts all over again in order to build the units, since they had abandoned that aspect of the business some time ago. For the output transformer, they chose Carnhill's equivalent to the LO1166, which is the exact same output transfomer used by the clones. When I called Carnhill and asked them about it, they confirmed that they make the same output transformer for everybody (AMS-Neve, Chandler etc). I think this issue got a little blurred because AMS had a fine-print message on their site for a while that said that only their transformers were "made to the proper spec," or something like that. I don't see that message anymore, so maybe they're dropping that line of marketing....

Which is probably wise, since they don't need to resort to that. The psychological power of the brand "Neve" will do the work for them. After all, there is no stronger brand in the world of Pro Audio. All they need to do is continue reproducing the modules really, really well, and we'll happily buy them...

However, the bottom line is still that AMS-Neve is making 'reproductions' of the original, with modern equivalent parts and a spec that essentially matches the originals. And this is still wonderful news for everybody. It's a great clone, and there's nothing wrong with that -- JB

[ILL]

What i'd lke to hear is a comparison between all the 1073 lookalikes and the "real thing".

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by Dor

Tony, would you be taking the same stance if you were an authorized Neve dealer?

Honestly, yes (although I'm not really picking sides to take a stance). I also would like to note that I am neither an authorized AMS dealer, nor a Brent Averill dealer either. Athough, I'd like to point out to everyone that I have access to all of this stuff if need be. Even though I am not one of the 2 x authorized Neve dealers in the US, it doesn't mean I'm not capable of selling it. I've sold new 33609's and preamps, etc and have done so for many years. I am not selling anyone an agenda when I say things here on GS.