why do alot of folks look down on FL studio?

[cynic one]

1 - The name used to be "FruityLoops". It puts people off for various reasons.

2 - It's "cheap" compared to other DAWs.

3 - A lot of people start out on it and never get good at music production.

4 - Those people that start out on it just use the stock samples because they're too stupid to load their own sounds. Their songs sound like garbage. Other people hear a lot of "Fruityloops beats" that suck, and infer that FL must suck because of this.

5 - Beginners evaluating the software only see the step editor and never jump into the piano roll.

That about sums it up I think.

[loba jet]

i agree. it does appeal to "new comers" so it may be over the long run associated with newbies

and yeah, i bet theres alot of newbies that don't even record their own tracks, load their own samples, use the MIDI capabilities ect.

"it used to be called fruity loops" hahaha yeah they could have come up with something a little less......uh....Fruity i guess.

but overall i think i make everything i make in PT or cubase with FLSTudio, bit depth and sample rate are all the same, can use VST plug ins, can use my MIDI controllers, or even tracking. the workflow isn't always the best but before i bought PT or cubase i learned everything i know from fruity loops. (well maybe not everything)

anyways, thanks for your responce. just wanting some opinions

[Chad Sterling]

1. The overall sound quality of it does not sound as good as others such as, Logic. Logic has a nice clean clear bright sound, were FL Studio sounds a little bit more muddy & dark.

2. You can do all of the basics in FL Studio, but it does not have in depth features. For example in Logic I can apple swing to each track individually & even every note. In FL Studio they have that 1 swing knob that applies to every track.

[DROPKICK]

Its not so much that people hate the software its more about trying to belittle someone. In the same way if we were talking and i called you a "homophobic slur" I would just be dissing you, it doesnt mean I think that your really gay.

[cynic one]

Originally Posted by Chad Sterling

1. The overall sound quality of it does not sound as good as others such as, Logic. Logic has a nice clean clear bright sound, were FL Studio sounds a little bit more muddy & dark.

Great example of an opinion...

2. You can do all of the basics in FL Studio, but it does not have in depth features. For example in Logic I can apple swing to each track individually & even every note. In FL Studio they have that 1 swing knob that applies to every track.

...as I was saying. People don't jump into the program in depth.

You can easily apply swing to any track in the piano roll with the quantize features. Actually FL's groove quantize features are probably the most thorough between Cubase and Logic. I'm know all 3 packages of software so I'm not talkin out my ass here

[doctah]

I was looking through some of my old posts (long story ) and found a thread about the "Most user friendly software you've ever used.... One of the responses:

Originally Posted by SFTPH

Fruityloops! It is the toy version of a real audio app on the outside, but If you dig deep it has some teeth and a bite. I bought v.4 to make some elektro style loops and never looked at a manual. "Fruityloops-father of 15 million 15 year old bedroom producers"

That last part... I think that's one of the answers.

[loba jet]

i have noticed that it sounds "muddy" and not "clean and clear"

espeacially with reverb and delay type effects. its like mono sounding stereo. i can't put my finger on it but yeah, other programs have a much deeper sound.

anyone know why this is? bit depth and sample rate are up to par.

[badmark]

Originally Posted by loba jet

i have noticed that it sounds "muddy" and not "clean and clear"

espeacially with reverb and delay type effects. its like mono sounding stereo. i can't put my finger on it but yeah, other programs have a much deeper sound.

anyone know why this is? bit depth and sample rate are up to par.

case of "bad workman blaming his tools" maybe?

I'm working in Fruity Loops at the moment. If my mix sounds muddy, it ain't cos "other programs have a much deeper sound". It's cos my ears are wack and I'm too stonded ...

[Gateway]

Fl Studio is just as powerful a tool as any other DAW out. You can create great songs and great mixes in it anyone that tells u otherwise is just bias or really haven't used it to it's full potential.

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by cynic

1 - The name used to be "FruityLoops". It puts people off for various reasons.

2 - It's "cheap" compared to other DAWs.

3 - A lot of people start out on it and never get good at music production.

4 - Those people that start out on it just use the stock samples because they're too stupid to load their own sounds. Their songs sound like garbage. Other people hear a lot of "Fruityloops beats" that suck, and infer that FL must suck because of this.

5 - Beginners evaluating the software only see the step editor and never jump into the piano roll.

That about sums it up I think.

DITTO

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by Chad Sterling

1. The overall sound quality of it does not sound as good as others such as, Logic. Logic has a nice clean clear bright sound, were FL Studio sounds a little bit more muddy & dark.

2. You can do all of the basics in FL Studio, but it does not have in depth features. For example in Logic I can apple swing to each track individually & even every note. In FL Studio they have that 1 swing knob that applies to every track.

Whats "apple swing??"
Shouldnt that be an Fruity Loops??

[Killah_Trakz]

Originally Posted by Gateway

Fl Studio is just as powerful a tool as any other DAW out. You can create great songs and great mixes in it anyone that tells u otherwise is just bias or really haven't used it to it's full potential.

You know whats funny is those the same mofo's who trip when the next fruityloop producer jump thru the hoop and get their 15 mins. I honestly feel like saying **** RAP/HIP HOP. No one was bitching when all you heard proteus n mophatts and tritons and all that. I think the web is all bullshit for complaints.

I think all these sites should do away with "Comments" and lets go back to being consumers. Any who I say rock that shit, cause I remember when they tripped on reason but Khalil IS KILLING IT! so....... its who the driver.

[3rd Degree]

Two things I don't like about it, it cheap/easy to pirate so a lot of people use it and think that their beats sound dope, are clean sounding, and they have a very polished sound when they won't invest in anything they don't already own to compliment the program.

Secondly, it makes it really easy to make good enough music to keep someone who lacks talent going. They can continue to click around until they make something listenableish. Then they think they are dope as hell.

It isn't the program at all, it is more than capable for making beats when combined with better sounds and a good set of monitors, among other things. It is the users that have been making beats for 6 months and giving the world advice on how to do things that bug me. If FL didn't exist, it would be Live or Reason.

[Chad Sterling]

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

Whats "apple swing??"
Shouldnt that be an Fruity Loops??

Meant to say "apply swing"

[E.rOk.stA]

Originally Posted by Chris Lago

No way in hell would I ever use Pro Tools or Logic to mix, and no way would I use any of the stock plugins from any of the Daws I've used.

Yet both Pro Tools and Logic have really great stock plugins and provide an excellent mixing platform.

OP, you confused yet?

[jesseber]

I wrote and recorded our entire album from start to finish in FL 8.5. I don't see what Pro Tools or Logic would've done any better for me

but I do have to admit there is a "signature sound" that makes those often awful newbie tracks "FL beats" which in turn makes the DAW look awful as well to the person that might not have used it before

[E.rOk.stA]

Originally Posted by jesseber

I wrote and recorded our entire album from start to finish in FL 8.5. I don't see what Pro Tools or Logic would've done any better for me

Until the first gun was fired nobody had a problem throwing spears and shooting arrows either. We survived somehow. You use what you have and if it gets the job done, why would you consider something different?

[skiroy]

Great producer Im not,but a gear addict I am. I have tried and worked on everything.
People that hate on FL Studio is just that Haters. What other platform can you literally use any sound by just drag and droping it. Its super easy to get a track going without all the stupid routing nightmare. As far as mixing in it I would go crazy with it. Just enough to make the ideas and feel of the beat.

but NOTHING can mess with FL Studios Piano roll,Slice X, easy of routing or use of patterns. But the sound quality can be an issue. FL Studio 9 and Protools 8 finally play nice toghther for rewiring. And If you have a FL channel open in PT you can literally hear the difference bewteen FL and PT when you click on each one. FL is a thinner sounding. I can use the exact same drum samples in FL and reason and my drums in reason sound way better from jump. I have to do more in FL which can suck.

But you can get good results from FL Studio. I recently today ran 10 tests exporting beats from FL Studio. Those of you using it I can deffinately tell you to DO NOT export as 16 bit and DO NOT FL Studios dithering. That is where you get into a thin sound.

Export 32bit float with dithering off. Then import it in either Adobe Audition or whatever other DAW you use to dither and convert to 16 bit. Trust me I did it and its way different.

Also the sampler interpolation option on export changes things too. The higher the bit sync depth the more resolution you will hear. You have to mess with that for what you want. I like it on linear or 6 hermite cause it has a thicker sound kinda closer to the older samplers sound. More midy and less sparkley highs. I like this sound but you might be going for the more super clean modern style so go with a higher sync depth rate like 64 or 128.

But anyways FL is being used more and more by serious producers. Everyone knows thats all 9th wonder used. And FL has gotten alot better.Anyone who judges FL off trying it with the stock sounds is a clown. If I owned any major DAW software company I would be studying all the DAWs and would combine all the best to make one that would dominate the market.

If someone could incorporate FLs editor, SliceX,pattern view and ease of routing you wouldnt need anything else. Im just still praying for Protools to finally figure out they need to do delay compensation and the ability to do quick bounce.LOL!

[Chad Sterling]

Anyone saying they can't hear the difference in overall sound obviously doesn't have the ear to hear it. It's kind of like people listening to mp3's all the time can't hear the difference with a .wav or .aiff.

[100th Monkey]

Part of it is its history. For a long time FruityLoops really was just a toy and a way for teenagers to slap together construction kit samples into bland, cookie cutter tracks. It was no match for proper DAWs like Logic, Cubase and Protools with their long histories of being used by pros to make albums and proper records.

Things have changed since then, but the reputation stuck.

[RTR]

Originally Posted by cynic

1 - The name used to be "FruityLoops". It puts people off for various reasons.

2 - It's "cheap" compared to other DAWs.

3 - A lot of people start out on it and never get good at music production.

4 - Those people that start out on it just use the stock samples because they're too stupid to load their own sounds. Their songs sound like garbage. Other people hear a lot of "Fruityloops beats" that suck, and infer that FL must suck because of this.

5 - Beginners evaluating the software only see the step editor and never jump into the piano roll.

That about sums it up I think.

+1..I also think that the people looking down on it are actual musicians that create music with rel instruments and, may think that putting together samples is not really hard and takes no music training at all! I could be wrong though, but thats what I get from a lot of them! My kids play with FL and make beats that sound just like everything out there..BUT..they also can play guitar,drums and piano so...ummm...sorry, I got lost for a minute there...FL is fun to play with though so who cares as long as you are doing what you want to do!

[RTR]

Originally Posted by talontsiawd

Two things I don't like about it, it cheap/easy to pirate so a lot of people use it and think that their beats sound dope, are clean sounding, and they have a very polished sound when they won't invest in anything they don't already own to compliment the program.

Secondly, it makes it really easy to make good enough music to keep someone who lacks talent going. They can continue to click around until they make something listenableish. Then they think they are dope as hell.

It isn't the program at all, it is more than capable for making beats when combined with better sounds and a good set of monitors, among other things. It is the users that have been making beats for 6 months and giving the world advice on how to do things that bug me. If FL didn't exist, it would be Live or Reason.

Well said my friend!!!

[skiroy]

You really got mess with the interpolation settings. I have had the best results with exporting 32bit float 512sync as wav. I thought linear was better cause it didnt sound as thin as the higher settings till I got to 512 and then it got full but the high end wasnt as thin and digital.But everything just had a more polished sound but still not over transparent and sterile. Then you have to set the mixer interpolation to linear so it sounds like the export. Anyhigher setting on this makes it sounds more accurate and digital. Dont ask why but just try it and see. But again I like the older sound so my preference could be different. But still do not use dither from fruity. Do the conversion and dither in something else. I use adobe for now but will try it in PT.

[tru]

Anybody who hates on FL is either jealous cuz they have no major $$ success with it or havent figured out how to manipulate it well enuff to get a desired sound or their just dumb. FL is the business and you can make the same quality music as your greats producing top 100 on billboard 2day with it. Ive heard sh*tty records produced on pro tools HD and beautiful records produced in FL and Shitty records on FL and beautiful records in Pro Tools HD. Its the user who has to work it right. Everyone has some talent. FL is just another way 2 produce ur ideas. Dont get mad kuz ppl are making solid music with cheap plugins or FL or cracked software! Understand the game is always changing with the times and technology!! Everyone can get there hands durty in makin music its not 4 just 1 type of person. Do what you have to do learn what u gotta learn to get the success/sound you desire.



ALOT OF PPL LOVE FL!!

[HazeBros]

I think the reason people hate on it is they see so many amateurs using it. I have seen talented people kill it with FL and I have seen major cats using it. It's actually a great program. However, most cats I see using it dont know what they are doing musically or technically.

[MikeyMike]

Because it single-handedly killed hip-hop and many other genres of electronic music. Just listen to today's music. Shyt was good until Fruity Ooops came out. Now it's damn near unlistenable. Grandma and little pookie can make a beat now.

[skiroy]

Originally Posted by MikeyMike

Because it single-handedly killed hip-hop and many other genres of electronic music. Just listen to today's music. Shyt was good until Fruity Ooops came out. Now it's damn near unlistenable. Grandma and little pookie can make a beat now.

So what. Thats what music is about. Everybody loves it and has the right to enjoy it and try to do it. Your not a choosen one. I agree everyone should push themself to be better. BUt guess what everyone strats somewhere and has limitations on how good they will get. But music has nothing to do what we make into,with selling it. All the radio bullcrap,videos,image,ect is all part of what kills music. There is no such thing as ,"single handedly" in real life. If anythig single handedly killed Hip HOp,its GREED. People not doing music for the sake of doing music. Part of that is not to do it to impress anyone but to work hard at it cause you love it.

And people hating on FL Studio cause it makes doing music easy is either too young or in denial. The whole world said the same thing about Hip HOp when is began. And the use of the MPC was hated on cause your favorite producers you idolized didnt have to be muscians to make good music.

[MikeyMike]

Originally Posted by skiroy

So what. Thats what music is about. Everybody loves it and has the right to enjoy it and try to do it. Your not a choosen one. I agree everyone should push themself to be better. BUt guess what everyone strats somewhere and has limitations on how good they will get. But music has nothing to do what we make into,with selling it. All the radio bullcrap,videos,image,ect is all part of what kills music. There is no such thing as ,"single handedly" in real life. If anythig single handedly killed Hip HOp,its GREED. People not doing music for the sake of doing music. Part of that is not to do it to impress anyone but to work hard at it cause you love it.

And people hating on FL Studio cause it makes doing music easy is either too young or in denial. The whole world said the same thing about Hip HOp when is began. And the use of the MPC was hated on cause your favorite producers you idolized didnt have to be muscians to make good music.

Making something easier doesn't make it better. Fruity Loops is a comic relief and that's that. No wonder when these people go to the studio they don't know what the hell to do. Damn near every person I've seen using FL was making the beat with a F**king computer keyboard. WTF? No wonder music today has zero bounce and vibe to it. One things for sure, you can guarantee that the music will be loud.....loud bullshyt but loud. By the way, you just posted this thread....


Sources for congas and other perc to play live
Hey yall. I want to start adding more dynamic percussion like congas,bongos and Djembe. I dont know how to spell that one.LOL. BUt Im not intrested in pre made loops. I want something I can bring up with various articulations so I can play it out on the midi coltroller. Any one know of any Vsts that have some realistic perc like this?


Buy a Yamaha/Kurzweil/Roland workstation instead of downloading stolen drum kits and stolen software. That's the only possible way you don't have percussion samples. Rediculous. A good drum kit or keyboard will come with percussion samples included. It's not rocket science.

[302efi]

Originally Posted by skiroy

So what. Thats what music is about. Everybody loves it and has the right to enjoy it and try to do it. Your not a choosen one. I agree everyone should push themself to be better. BUt guess what everyone strats somewhere and has limitations on how good they will get. But music has nothing to do what we make into,with selling it. All the radio bullcrap,videos,image,ect is all part of what kills music. There is no such thing as ,"single handedly" in real life. If anythig single handedly killed Hip HOp,its GREED. People not doing music for the sake of doing music. Part of that is not to do it to impress anyone but to work hard at it cause you love it.

The one thing that killed "Hip Hop" is:

-The people (fans) that buy this bullshit thats on the radio

****ing gay ass whining on the mic, tight clothes, facial piercings, guitars. WTF happen ? When did Suburbia invade Hip Hop and Rap ?

For instance, you got Ludacris. Hes all hard, rapping bout dope and money in DJ Khaled's "All I Do Is Win"...Then he's in Justin Biebers video rapping bout some teen shit. He sold out and has no credibility anymore...He's "Hood" ?...Bitch eat a dick.

No one has lyrics anymore, its all about the punch line bullshit.

Play some old Trick Daddy or Dayton Family if you want something good !