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Numark(Akai) MPC vs Real Akai MPC

Since Numark now own Akai, a lot of people says that the MPC isn´t the same quality anymore. So my question is: anyone here have used them 2 and found any difference on the sound ?

I quickly found out that my MPC2500 can´t filter pad layers separately like a 2000xl does and it was a deception to me since it was one of the main features I was looking for. On the other hand I like the USB function so I can fastly load samples from my HD to memory card to mpc memory.

So I just want to know the experience of people that got the hands (and the ears) on them 2.
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I own a 60 w/ 3000 OS. Nice, but slow as a sampler. I've used a 3000 a lot, which I think is best, my other dude uses a 2500 and it sounds great, but I haven't used it extensively...I don't like how there are less buttons on it...

Truthfully they more or less all do the same thing though.
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Seriously, if you aren't running JJ OS2 or OSxl then you can't even evaluate the 2500.
I think that OS2 is for the 1000, no ? For the XL, looks interesting, I ain´t buying now since I´m upgrading my monitors and sub, so can´t spend more money right now. Do you think that makes sense to put the free JJ-OS 3.09 or is better stay with AKAI factory OS until I purchase the XL ?

And any of them can filter pad layers separately ?
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Seriously, if you aren't running JJ OS2 or OSxl then you can't even evaluate the 2500.
exactly!
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BTW,

I used to own mpc3000 LE and mpc1000,
I sold 3000 and 1000 and bought 2500
I never look back
i loved mpc3000le, but it was old school and slowish,
regarding sound, there's no sonic difference (audible)
literally what you got of it, is what you put into it,

in short way, mpc2500 with JJos is a killah
2500 work flow wins over, but it's just my opinion
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in short way, mpc2500 with JJos is a killah
2500 work flow wins over, but it's just my opinion
cosign

plus i think sound wise you would only notice a difference in the roger linn mpcs vs akai/numark mpcs.. *shrugs*

2500's seem to be pretty staple in a lot of "recent studio footage" found around the innertubes
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I own a 2000xl and a 1000. To me, same shit, different toliet.

The 2000xl is pretty much the inbetween but this is the real difference between the old and new. The older machines are build much better and feel more solid. The newer machines have far better functionality and features. The newer machines have crazy sample time. The older machines are slow. The older machines sound "different," better to most people but not all. The newer machines have easy ways to transfer samples. The swing of the old machines is "different', but to me, swing is swing. It is all about using tempo and swing together.

Anyway, I think the trade offs between the old and new depend on what you are looking for. I know I wouldn't mind a 3000/60 if I looped mostly or had a few chops. When chopping up a song into alot of pieces, I prefer software so I like the newer mpc's for that. You have enough time on the newer machines to load up synths and all that too, I found when I was using my 1000 heavily, I tended to stop using anything else for sounds, I would load it up in my 1k and call it a day.

Each MPC has some sort of appeal to someone, none are "bad", it's just what you really want.
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regarding sound, there's no sonic difference (audible)
You have got to be kidding me
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Yeah they all have a slightly different sound character as well. That also comes into play, somewhat, as a preference choice as well as features.

I find that the older MPC's do add a bit of color/character, the newer MPC's are pretty transparent.
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You have got to be kidding me
no matey....
I don't
I did quite precise comparison
there's topic in mpc-forums.com about it
I remember people saying that 3000 has 'very distinct' sound...etc
BS
I even used digital input on mpc 3000 and mpc 1000
so the difference should be only in D/A converters, and .....
nah...
maybe 3000 was bit more dull (less top end), but it wasn't obvious,
just need to add that my room and speakers are tellin' me truth,
check my website
there's no difference...
I actually bought 3000 le because nostalgia and others people talk that 'old' akai sounds better
it's sampler, 16/44.1, no magic here


getting to the point,
the difference between new and old is a workflow
if you believe that old akai has different sound that new one,
well, some people belive in ufo and santa,
good luck with it
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no matey....
I don't
I did quite precise comparison
there's topic in mpc-forums.com about it
I remember people saying that 3000 has 'very distinct' sound...etc
BS
I even used digital input on mpc 3000 and mpc 1000
so the difference should be only in D/A converters, and .....
nah...
maybe 3000 was bit more dull (less top end), but it wasn't obvious,
just need to add that my room and speakers are tellin' me truth,
check my website
there's no difference...
I actually bought 3000 le because nostalgia and others people talk that 'old' akai sounds better
it's sampler, 16/44.1, no magic here


getting to the point,
the difference between new and old is a workflow
if you believe that old akai has different sound that new one,
well, some people belive in ufo and santa,
good luck with it
So you're saying that there is no difference between the sounds coming from a MPC60II and a MPC1000? Or even the MPC3000.

Sorry man, but that's not true.
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no matey....
I don't
I did quite precise comparison
there's topic in mpc-forums.com about it
I remember people saying that 3000 has 'very distinct' sound...etc
BS
I even used digital input on mpc 3000 and mpc 1000
so the difference should be only in D/A converters, and .....
nah...
maybe 3000 was bit more dull (less top end), but it wasn't obvious,
just need to add that my room and speakers are tellin' me truth,
check my website
there's no difference...
I actually bought 3000 le because nostalgia and others people talk that 'old' akai sounds better
it's sampler, 16/44.1, no magic here


getting to the point,
the difference between new and old is a workflow
if you believe that old akai has different sound that new one,
well, some people belive in ufo and santa,
good luck with it
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You have got to be kidding me

And me too

I got some MPC's here 1000, 2500, 3000 and 4000 to me they all sound different. This is crazy some things people say make me wonder if they pay attention to sound, or what. I even here people say they can make a computer (PC-MAC) swing like a MPC .
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1. MPC 60 I/II = Bigger bottom end slightly duller top end and looser swing.


2. MPC 3000 = Kicks are smaller, brighter sound with a straighter groove


3. MPC 2000/2000 XL even cleaner/ thinner with a straighter groove than the above.

4. MPC 4000 sounds better than the 2000, but I found it a bit too clean.


5. MPC 1000/2500(JJOS) and MPC 5000 all sound just like the 2000 with better features and workflow.


Overall for me its:

MPC 60>3000>>4000>>>>5000>1000/2500>>>>>>>>2000/XL
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seems to me you don't read posts....
at least not precisely
mpc 60 is 12 bit and 40 kHz (not 41, strange beast) so it sounds different
mpc 4000 is 24/96 and it sound absolutely different
mpc 1000, 2000, 2000xl, 2500, 3000 all 16/44.1 - good luck with finding audible differences
it's nostalgia and placebo effect

do blind tests, or better double blind with your mates
and tell me what is a difference then ???

PS remember about matching to .1 dB during tests, it's crucial
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1. MPC 60 I/II = Bigger bottom end slightly duller top end and looser swing.


2. MPC 3000 = Kicks are smaller, brighter sound with a straighter groove


3. MPC 2000/2000 XL even cleaner/ thinner with a straighter groove than the above.

4. MPC 4000 sounds better than the 2000, but I found it a bit too clean.


5. MPC 1000/2500(JJOS) and MPC 5000 all sound just like the 2000 with better features and workflow.


Overall for me its:

MPC 60>3000>>4000>>>>5000>1000/2500>>>>>>>>2000/XL

I thought crack is illegal))
no offence though
but seriously mate
put 2 mpc's one by one, and sample same 4 bar or whatever
remember about matching levels!!!, 0.5 dB difference you can describe as fuller, bigger, wider, more bass, more highs sound, etc,
remember LOUDER is perceived as better!
then play same 4 bars on those machines (again level matched!)
you can even swap samples between machines and check just D/A chain
level matching - again crucial
remember - all EQ, Compressors, others effects - off at output

now sit back on sofa, close your eyes, and ask your mate to play samples
(you can check how to do tests - double blind is better though)

can you hear the difference ??

exclude mpc 60 and 4000 from this tests, (12 bit and 24 bit convertors sound different then 16 bit)

don't smoke yet


sampler is a recording machine
you get what you put into it


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I thought crack is illegal))
no offence though
but seriously mate
put 2 mpc's one by one, and sample same 4 bar or whatever
remember about matching levels!!!, 0.5 dB difference you can describe as fuller, bigger, wider, more bass, more highs sound, etc,
remember LOUDER is perceived as better!
then play same 4 bars on those machines (again level matched!)
you can even swap samples between machines and check just D/A chain
level matching - again crucial
remember - all EQ, Compressors, others effects - off at output

now sit back on sofa, close your eyes, and ask your mate to play samples
(you can check how to do tests - double blind is better though)




can you hear the difference ??

exclude mpc 60 and 4000 from this tests, (12 bit and 24 bit convertors sound different then 16 bit)

don't smoke yet


sampler is a recording machine
you get what you put into it


peace

With respect done that.

Playing the same samples from the MPC 3000 to 2000 sound different as the 60/3000 handle "gain" differently to the others.

I own all the MPC i've mentioned and can hear clear differences from the Linn Mpc's to the latter ones.

Drum sounds taken from my 60 sound smaller in the 3000 and not as round.

The newer MPC's sound more hi fi and stiffer in the groove department and are built cheaply (bar 4000) imho.
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With respect done that.

And playing the same samples from the MPC 3000 to 2000 sound different.

Also what the 60 and 3000 handle "gain" differently to the others.

I own all the MPC i've mentioned and can hear clear differences from the Linn Mpc's to the latter ones.

The newer MPC's sound more hi fi and stiffer in the groove department.
I agree that grooving is different
but topic was clearly about sound,
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I agree that grooving is different
but topic was clearly about sound,
Sound wise I find that most new MPC's sound just like the 2000/XL (which i'm not a fan of), but make up for it with incredible features that I struggle to live without.

The Roger Linn Akai's were punchy the new ones sound harsh before their tweaked.
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"Harsh" is a new one. What do you mean by that? Are you perhaps running the samples in a bit too loud and clipping them? Or maybe your Master Level set a tad high?
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"Harsh" is a new one. What do you mean by that? Are you perhaps running the samples in a bit too loud and clipping them?
They have a more midrangy quality and I find the sparkly, korg'ish highs on them to be a bit too much in comparison to the older MPC's.

Akai's were always punchy/edgy, but never really warm sounding compared to Emu and Roland etc, but now the newer samplers sound even more shrill(harsh) and have a plastic quality to them when driven, I find my self closing filters to shave some of the scratchiness off.


PS: The "gain" switch on the MPC 60/3000 was a winner.
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I remember people saying that 3000 has 'very distinct' sound...etc
BS
I even used digital input on mpc 3000 and mpc 1000
so the difference should be only in D/A converters, and .....
nah
I think this is were your test was flawed sir. Spidf gives u exactly what u put into it.

I think where u have to listen to comparisons is when you sample. 3k almost has a roll off on the top end. 2K i would call thin, just very mid forward. 1k 2500 and 5000 are pretty transparent to my ears.

Can anyone who has access to most of the MPCs put up a few loops from each and do a blind test? I really cant see how anyone could have a hard time distinguishing between them except for the newer ones.
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I think we talking mostly about the D/A converters, no ? I think that´s mostly what made the MPCs to be known as a machine that has a 'sound'. I don´t know but maybe its filters and the summing also ? I´ve heard people talking about the summing. But I don´t know. It takes to the point that people mix a whole drum section in the MPC´s to a stereo track to get the summing of the MPC ? Or the summing will make a difference already on a 2 tracks layered kick ? What about it´s effects ? Compressors, eq´s and stuff ?
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The only people who worry about the sound differences between a 3K and a 2.5K have never and will never have a hit, semi-hit or underground smash record. Stop ****ing worrying about stupid shit an buy the one that makes the most sense for you financially and feature wise and make some good records. I promise that's all that really matters. And please don't start talking about 4K mic preamps to run your vintage Roger Linn converters through.
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Here`s the MP3 frequency response: AD\DA included
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Here`s MP2XL frequncy response, AD\DA included.
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The only people who worry about the sound differences between a 3K and a 2.5K have never and will never have a hit, semi-hit or underground smash record. Stop ****ing worrying about stupid shit an buy the one that makes the most sense for you financially and feature wise and make some good records. I promise that's all that really matters. And please don't start talking about 4K mic preamps to run your vintage Roger Linn converters through.
I agree with your statement to a degree but the difference in Cash Money's old sound on Juvenile 400 degreez and Chopper City In The Ghetto and there new, super poppy clean bs are tale tell signs of the sonic character of old school samplers and the necessity to have that sound in real "Hip-Hop" recordings. Now there are other ways to achieve grit and dirt from drums and other sounds etc too. The best way to achieve that grim and dirt in the box is to use a low quality software like Wavosaur along with bit reduction plugs and sampling them internally using sound recorder on your windows pc. I do this on my old Dell computer with the shitty, factory souncard. Try it. You'd be amazed.
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The only people who worry about the sound differences between a 3K and a 2.5K have never and will never have a hit, semi-hit or underground smash record. Stop ****ing worrying about stupid shit an buy the one that makes the most sense for you financially and feature wise and make some good records. I promise that's all that really matters. And please don't start talking about 4K mic preamps to run your vintage Roger Linn converters through.
I agree with this. But I´m not worrying about nothing. I´ll use what I have, and get what I want when I get the money. Is all about knowledge right here, and sharing experiences.
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So Akai Japan no longer designs the new products?
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OK..I wanted to add a little science to this topic as there appears to be an abundance of chatter. The provided files are 3 drum sources sampled from genuine CDs (no lo-fi nonsense or mp3s). One of the files is the main analog output of the MPC2000 (not XL) and the other is the main analog output of the MPC3000 (not LE).

All 3 sources were sampled SPDIF in and matched for peak gain so the outputs are virtually identical. If I see at least ONE reply of interest in revealing the source of each file I will post it up some time tomorrow. I recommend using decent monitoring to compare the files. Any noise or hiss contained in the files is from the CD sources.

Which is which?
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