Pro Tools HD The BEST DAW Out There?

[onemoretime]

Everybody using protools these days but there is lots of other stuff out there like Logic, Digital Performer Cubase, Nuendo, fruit loops, Live ect.
Do you think pro tools HD is the most ballin Daw out there?

[excLOUsiv]

Fo' Sho'

[dhiltonlittle]

depends on what you are doing.

for me, it is most definitely the "most ballin".

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by onemoretime

Everybody using protools these days but there is lots of other stuff out there like Logic, Digital Performer Cubase, Nuendo, fruit loops, Live ect.
Do you think pro tools HD is the most ballin Daw out there?

A Ballin Daw??
What the **** is that supposed to mean???

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by excLOUsiv

Fo' Sho'

Dont you mean "fo shizzle fo drizzle"
hold on..I gots to drop my chizzle pizzle,mah nizzle..

[Storyville]

uh.... yes?

[soundslikejoe]

Fo' Sho'.... I think not.

Is Pro Tools the...
Most used DAW in professional studios? Yes
Most expensive DAW? Close... Fo' Sho' Mo' expensive than the ones you listed.
Most generic DAW? Yes

Basically the value of the HD system is the DSP hardware. The AD converters are marginal. The actual software for ProTools is junk. very usable... totally capable... but not cutting edge. Most of the native systems have more flexibility. For example all the others can bounce mixdowns offline and have so for years. That's not possible with ProTools. A 10 min song takes 10 min to export.

The list of functions available on other platforms (Cubase, DP, Logic, Sonar) and not in PT is looonnnnng. Advanced Scoring. Pitch Correction. Logical Editors. Full 64bit support!..... too many to keep typing.

[onemoretime]

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

A Ballin Daw??
What the **** is that supposed to mean???

You know... the daw of the big Ballaz!

[onemoretime]

On a serious note now that I caught your attention I've always kinda wondered what it offers that other daws say cubase or logic for example don't. Do the plug-ins that come stock with the system sound better? How much better? like universal audio type better? Pretty much all the big studios are using pro-tools but even in the used market it is a pretty steep price to pay for a project studio... all this money think of all the gear you can get for that
Just a few thoughts...

[onemoretime]

Originally Posted by joenovice

Fo' Sho'.... I think not.

Is Pro Tools the...
Most used DAW in professional studios? Yes
Most expensive DAW? Close... Fo' Sho' Mo' expensive than the ones you listed.
Most generic DAW? Yes

Basically the value of the HD system is the DSP hardware. The AD converters are marginal. The actual software for ProTools is junk. very usable... totally capable... but not cutting edge. Most of the native systems have more flexibility. For example all the others can bounce mixdowns offline and have so for years. That's not possible with ProTools. A 10 min song takes 10 min to export.

The list of functions available on other platforms (Cubase, DP, Logic, Sonar) and not in PT is looonnnnng. Advanced Scoring. Pitch Correction. Logical Editors. Full 64bit support!..... too many to keep typing.

So why does everybody use this then? Does the engine sound better? Not much of an issue if you mix out on a board but still?
Does it come with a better plug-in package?

I got an old version of logic here from 2004

It has a mode called ''TDM mode'' anybody familiar with that? Does this means if I buy say an old card I will be able to run the two programs together? But does that offer more DSP power?
Will I still have to buy the protools interfaces? Anybody experienced with that here?

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by onemoretime

So why does everybody use this then?

Everyone uses it... because everyone else uses it.

[Lrmusic]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Everyone uses it... because everyone else uses it.

But who used it first; everyone, everyone else, or someone.

[soundslikejoe]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Everyone uses it... because everyone else uses it.

You mean.... people do trendy things? OMG!

TDM = ProTools HD. Time-division multiplexing is the method of communicating audio to the DSP. (as well as I remember)

No one who uses ProTools in a public studio is using the default plugins. Instead they use stuff by third parties; Waves, AudioEase, Sound Toys.

Get some books. There are tons of good ones that answer questions better than forum folk.

[ryst]

Originally Posted by onemoretime

Everybody using protools these days but there is lots of other stuff out there like Logic, Digital Performer Cubase, Nuendo, fruit loops, Live ect.
Do you think pro tools HD is the most ballin Daw out there?

I definitely "ball harder" with PT than I do with DP.

Seriously, pick a DAW and don't worry about what everyone else uses. Whatever works for you is "the best".

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by Lrmusic

But who used it first; everyone, everyone else, or someone.

There was a time when you needed it for a commercial studio to get work done (technologically speaking). Back when computers weren't fast enough to handle the demands of a full mix, we needed these "process cards" to help with the load.

That time transitioned into the present where we don't need it for processing power purposes, but solely for file compatibility and comfortability... and so it continues.

[TitaniumG]

No most home or PRO studios do not use protools some do but not most. In NYC yes most likely, LA yes most likely, some ATL and rest of the places i have bin in not as much. I bin in a lot of studio that do not use DIGI at all, all i can say is there is a lot of cracked software out there in studios now. The talks i here from most is that we are sick of paying for software that do not work. I can tell you this most studio i bin in to over the pass year or so is logic 15%, cubase 20%, nuendo 10%, protools LE 25%, protools HD 20%, 10% a bunch of other software. I mite be off a bit but you get the point these numbers use to be different but times are changing.

[Quint]

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

A Ballin Daw??
What the **** is that supposed to mean???

I gotta agree. Ballin??? As much as "warm" and "analog" gets mis-used around here, those are at least an attempt to quantify sound.

[gorillainthemix]

yes




though I heard this stuff called Fairlight knocks pretty hard too...

[Rumpel]

There are many reasons why Protools is the dominant DAW among "pros".

The fact that they have successfully coupled their software with hardware that replicates the hands on feel of large consoles is one.

The ICON, Procontrol , and Control 24 surfaces ensured that may Studios could offer a protools room, and many engineers and producers have also adopted this.
This leads onto compatibility with major studios and other main collaborators in the business.
Along with it's virtual lack of latency, and ADC for hardware inserts, PTHD is a rock solid professional system.

[piccazzo]

Another reason why you find PT in most PRO facilities is because
if you do occasional work with TV or advertising , most of the video files are in Avid format and as Avid owns digidesign PT is the only daw that supports complete mixdown of avid-video without having to convert it to something else.

But here in europe most Pro Music studio i´ve been to , producers i´ve met etc the majority uses Logic when they are recording a track.
They have PT but use Logic insted.

[psycho_monkey]

PT TDM has many advantages for pro studios - compatibility, reliability+stability, guaranteed track count, superior audio editing (at least historically - I've not used logic's recent audio editing, but it's vastly superior to Logic 8 regarding multitrack audio editing), engineer-focussed approach.

Much of which is irrelevant to the average writer/beatmaker, or engineer who only tracks vocals and mixes. If you don't do full on tracking sessions or client attended mixing, you almost certainly don't need an HD rig unless you specifically prefer working in PT.

But there's no way I'd track a band, string section or any sort of multimike setup native unless it was unavoidable.

[Dubai]

Originally Posted by dhiltonlittle

depends on what you are doing.

+1.
for electronic music---> Sonic Core Xite-1.
for quick bouncing ---> Cubase/Nuendo.
for transparent sound ---> Sonar 64-bit engine, Logic.
for quick instalation ---> reaper
for vst racks ---> Mackie Tracktion
for quick editing ---> Adobe Audition, Sony Vegas, etc...
for best SRC ---> Izotope RX Advanced.
for something ---> Samplitude
for tight midi ---> Atari STe + Cubase
etc...

Protools and Cubase/Nuendo, last time i checked, they have the same analog summing bus emulation.

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by The Dutch Master

yes




though I heard this stuff called Fairlight knocks pretty hard too...

wat gaan we doen met al die idioten hier?

[excLOUsiv]

Originally Posted by joenovice

Fo' Sho'.... I think not.

Is Pro Tools the...
Most used DAW in professional studios? Yes
Most expensive DAW? Close... Fo' Sho' Mo' expensive than the ones you listed.
Most generic DAW? Yes

Basically the value of the HD system is the DSP hardware. The AD converters are marginal. The actual software for ProTools is junk. very usable... totally capable... but not cutting edge. Most of the native systems have more flexibility. For example all the others can bounce mixdowns offline and have so for years. That's not possible with ProTools. A 10 min song takes 10 min to export.

The list of functions available on other platforms (Cubase, DP, Logic, Sonar) and not in PT is looonnnnng. Advanced Scoring. Pitch Correction. Logical Editors. Full 64bit support!..... too many to keep typing.

So, not Fo' Sho'?

I liked this thread better when it was all about Ballin' DAWs.' It's just not the same anymore.

Doesn't matter, it's all about the Dougie now anyways.

[soundslikejoe]

Originally Posted by Bryan Talbot

ROFLMAO

Best laugh I've had all week...the stuff some of you fellows come up with...
.

I've never attended a session where the engineer's "go to" effects were Digi plugins. Maybe for some low-end studio but everyone I've encountered is patching external hardware, running hardware emulation like Waves SSL, or some other standard plug set (Waves Diamond, etc).

Glad you got a laugh but I've never heard an engineer praise the Digi plugins. Just curious why you like those over third-party products?

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Everyone uses it... because everyone else uses it.

This is very true and I don't think a lot of people get how valuable that really is.

The other part of it is that there was a time when PT was the best, or one of the best and there wasn't a whole lot out there. That explains why older studios are more likely to have it. Then, the younger people were taught on it and now they us it. I would imagine in 10 years, we will see less of PT, unless they revamp it. It isn't just because you see programs that are more flexible, it is a new generation of people who are used to even having the option of something beside PT. I personally bought M-Powered originally just to be able to easily work with others or send file sessions out where someone could see everything I did and didn't have to "undo" anything by processing, they just simply undid it.

[BaySickLy]

Logic.

The problem is that PT is bloated and sloppy. Despite being a popular pioneer of DAWs, the professionalism of the interface is outdated by today's sandards. I agree with Tony it's mostly just because it's the status quo, but both Logic and even Cubase are more advanced and preferred for a workload.

Cubase was the new DAW of choice for awhile a couple years ago but now I guess Logic 9 >>>>>>>>

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Dubai

+1.
for electronic music---> Sonic Core Xite-1.
for quick bouncing ---> Cubase/Nuendo.
for transparent sound ---> Sonar 64-bit engine, Logic.
for quick instalation ---> reaper
for vst racks ---> Mackie Tracktion
for quick editing ---> Adobe Audition, Sony Vegas, etc...
for best SRC ---> Izotope RX Advanced.
for something ---> Samplitude
for tight midi ---> Atari STe + Cubase
etc...

Protools and Cubase/Nuendo, last time i checked, they have the same analog summing bus emulation.

There's no "summing bus" emulation on PT or Cubendo. They Null. There's 2 whole threads on this!

Originally Posted by BaySickLy

Logic.

The problem is that PT is bloated and sloppy. Despite being a popular pioneer of DAWs, the professionalism of the interface is outdated by today's sandards. I agree with Tony it's mostly just because it's the status quo, but both Logic and even Cubase are more advanced and preferred for a workload.

Cubase was the new DAW of choice for awhile a couple years ago but now I guess Logic 9 >>>>>>>>

Again, I struggle to see this! Cubase has NEVER been even close to coming into the pro end of studios, and Logic isn't at the moment! lots of people use these systems at home, write on them, do demos etc..and everything ends up in PT when it comes to serious tracking or mixing!

"bloated and sloppy", "outdated'? Are we using the same program here?! what's bloated and sloppy to me is a million tracks routing to only a few audio playback channels a la logic, or the multiple different windows of Cubase. PT to me is about as streamlined as you can get...one track = one audio object and so on. PT8 is a little more intensive than 7, but I'd bet so is Logic 9 vs 8.

If you're writing, recording at home - PT HD isn't and never was aimed at you. Chances are logic or cubase (nuendo is aimed at the same sort of clients as PT) will suit you better, if you're not interested in PT LE. I deal with more bands than programming, so PT LE suits me for home, and HD at the studio.

[gorillainthemix]

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

wat gaan we doen met al die idioten hier?

stel maar iets voor

[RyanC]

Nobody mentions the whole latency issue?


On an HD rig you can monitor through a huge mix with low enough latency not to have a problem, I look at like HD is like a DAW plus (digital) console. While computers are getting faster and faster, from what I understand any actual input monitor chain can only use one processor core and all the internal latencies of each plugin have to fit inside your global buffer. If you are trying to make multiple mixes and send them to multiple places with FX on them and everyone being able to monitor the whole mix, HD is still the only daw that will always pull it off.

I haven't used anything native in a while though. . .