Pro Tools HD The BEST DAW Out There?

[7rojo7]

I've used EQ3 and dynamics3 (use your ears) to great success. DVerb is a bit lame and needs to be sweetened up a bit, but useable in a pinch (HPF, delay, 3 band eq, dynamics{envelope generator})

[dailymixdown.com]

I bet if someone like Tony Maserati was challenged to produce a commercially viable song using a stock installation of Cubase 5, Waves plugins, and some high end monitors he could do it. In fact I bet he could do it with
Cubase 5 alone.

Anyway, the gear and DAW will not matter if you don't have the listening experience, ears, studio treatment,mixing knowledge, etc;. I think it all starts with a mastery of all the fundamentals... just like basketball. Really, who cares if you can dunk if you can't make a layup or shoot a jump shot from three feet away?

Knowing the science of sound alone is half the battle if you ask me. What is phase cancellation? What is panning law? What does peak VU mean? Why do some bass guitar notes make your studio rumble and others don't? What is sibilance? How does low energy affect a mix? How is gating used in hip hop ? How is sidechain compression used in dance music?

These are just a few examples of fundamental questions any good producer should be able to answer. I think once you get all the fundamentals down and put them into practice and get a wide variety of projects under your belt, you can produce good mixes on just about anything.

Just my .02

[TGRP]

Hell ya HD is where its at.

[miscend]

Originally Posted by dailymixdown.com

I bet if someone like Tony Maserati was challenged to produce a commercially viable song using a stock installation of Cubase 5, Waves plugins, and some high end monitors he could do it. In fact I bet he could do it with
Cubase 5 alone.

You say that as if several thousand commercial songs have not already been produced using Cubase throughout the many years. Cubase with stock plugins is a professional application meant for serious work. People were releasing records back in the Cubase VST days ten years ago. Whether Cubase can produce commerical quality records is not even in question.

Hans Zimmer uses Cubase. Lots of musicians do.

[Bad Bass]

If you want good quality sounds and great virtual instruments then Pro-Tools is the way to go HOWEVER with out a demo to get you started good luck.I have been recording with Adobe Audition for 15 years and it's a lot easier to work with and editing is fantastic, infact it has very important tools that I can't find in PT yet.I find that all Pro Tools is, is great sounds in a regular recording software.
you could put PT sounds in Audacity which is free and it would sound like a million bucks.

[rickrock305]

Originally Posted by miscend

Hans Zimmer uses Cubase. Lots of musicians do.

he sequences in Cubase, and records to Pro Tools

Hans Zimmer-Teamwork Helps Create Scoring Magic

He typically records to Pro Tools using a Cubase sequencer and GigaSamplers.

The mixing system includes three Pro Tools rigs — one for synth outputs of Zimmer's drums and percussion, etc.; one for orchestra; and a third to handle the mix. Clay says Zimmer remains quite involved down to the mixing stage.

[Wiseg]

protoolshd will soon have a influx of dongle free, no digi hardware users, sell it while its still worth some money.

expect protools questions to rapidly have a influx and when that happens you will all know why

[karp47]

Originally Posted by Wiseg

protoolshd will soon have a influx of dongle free, no digi hardware users, sell it while its still worth some money.

expect protools questions to rapidly have a influx and when that happens you will all know why

hey?

[JmJ]

The importance of being “the first”…..
Never heard anyone say “ I have a Kodak from Nikon…” or a “Vespa from Honda ?”.

PT was the first and although I don’t doubt the quality and sheer power (if you’re willing to pay for it) it doesn’t make it better or worse than the rest. I do believe that PT having a less open structure is it’s strength and weakness. An open DAW (Cubase/ Nuendo ,Logic, Sonar, DP…) has to be good, if not theoretically better, just to survive. Stating that Cubase is not used in a big commercial studio is not exactly correct and surely has nothing to do with the quality of the DAW. It’s a more music oriented version of Nuendo (I use both): no more , no less.

So, if you want to join “the majority” and have access to all kind of (costly) hardware goodies made especially for your DAW: go PT by all means.

I think the best thing about Pt is “the name”: perfectly chosen, makes any other brand sound “amateurish”. A bit like Behringers “Ultra” equipment (I have an ultra sexy wife, now if I only had the Pro-tools to…..)

So, if a musician comes in and asks me if I’m using Steinberg’s Nintendo , I’ll ask if he uses P (read:”pee”) tools. From that moment on we usually go about doing what’s more important than discussing both our toys: make music .
(If he’s persistent on proving a point than I usually interrupt and ask if we can record in 32 bit or should I lower the quality to 24 bit? .I know, one can easily discuss about “32 bit floating versus the 24 fixed” but it sure kills a useless discussion.)
By the way: the first time I’m using smiley’s…I’m overdoing it a bit no?
JM

[jerkface]

look at it this way:

Having Pro Tools HD is like being the guy with the huge d!ck. The guys with the little d!cks (in our case, the guys with the other DAWs) bash Pro Tools all day.

If you were to offer them a fully tricked out Pro Tools HD 3 system, they would jump at the chance to have it!!! Who WANTS a little d!ck right?

But when you open up your studio and your massive cock of a DAW (Pro Tools HD) comes rolling out and thumps these guys in the head, these little d!ck guys feel REAL inefficient and then have cock envy.

And what do the little d!ck guys always say in embarrassment? Yep. You guessed it. "It's not the size of your tool, its the way you use it". Who else is notorious for saying the same exact thing? Yep, the guys with NO Pro Tools HD.

[bgrotto]

Originally Posted by jerkface

look at it this way:

Having Pro Tools HD is like being the guy with the huge d!ck. The guys with the little d!cks (in our case, the guys with the other DAWs) bash Pro Tools all day.

If you were to offer them a fully tricked out Pro Tools HD 3 system, they would jump at the chance to have it!!! Who WANTS a little d!ck right?

But when you open up your studio and your massive cock of a DAW (Pro Tools HD) comes rolling out and thumps these guys in the head, these little d!ck guys feel REAL inefficient and then have cock envy.

And what do the little d!ck guys always say in embarrassment? Yep. You guessed it. "It's not the size of your tool, its the way you use it". Who else is notorious for saying the same exact thing? Yep, the guys with NO Pro Tools HD.

This belongs on the first page of the Avid website.

[oceantracks]

Originally Posted by joenovice

Fo' Sho'.... I think not.

Is Pro Tools the...
Most used DAW in professional studios? Yes
Most expensive DAW? Close... Fo' Sho' Mo' expensive than the ones you listed.
Most generic DAW? Yes

Basically the value of the HD system is the DSP hardware. The AD converters are marginal. The actual software for ProTools is junk. very usable... totally capable... but not cutting edge. Most of the native systems have more flexibility. For example all the others can bounce mixdowns offline and have so for years. That's not possible with ProTools. A 10 min song takes 10 min to export.

And a ten minute song still takes 10 minutes to listen to in order to check your final mix for errors.

TH

[ramil]

I used to work with Nuendo for 2 years and latter had to switch to PT because of Uni. For me Nuendo offers FAR MORE COMFORTABLE AND COMPREHNSIVE editing and mixing functions. Therefore PT delay compensation problems SUCKS compared to Nuendo. For routing and other flexibility problems I would use mergin Pyramix rather than PT. I have to use PT just because it is installed in most studios where I work ...

[oceantracks]

Originally Posted by ramil

I used to work with Nuendo for 2 years and latter had to switch to PT because of Uni. For me Nuendo offers FAR MORE COMFORTABLE AND COMPREHNSIVE editing and mixing functions. Therefore PT delay compensation problems SUCKS compared to Nuendo. For routing and other flexibility problems I would use mergin Pyramix rather than PT. I have to use PT just because it is installed in most studios where I work ...

I used Nuendo (on Mac) a few years ago for about six months. Had to give up on it because at least then it was not stable on Mac at all. I do remember liking the editing, and especially the beatmapping features with the Warp tool, but I didn't find it as straightforward as PT. You couldn't even move channels around at will in the mixer for heaven's sake Hopefully that's changed.

Re Delay Compensation, I don't know. I have no idea how they are cutting hit after hit and movie after movie in PT if it's a huge problem.

TH

[soentkensound]

Originally Posted by The Dutch Master

stel maar iets voor

rel schoppen in protools hoofdstad.
zoals de roodhemden of zo

[skiltrip]

Originally Posted by onemoretime

Everybody using protools these days but there is lots of other stuff out there like Logic, Digital Performer Cubase, Nuendo, fruit loops, Live ect.
Do you think pro tools HD is the most ballin Daw out there?

Pro Tools is ballin' alright. Ballin' me so hard I switched to another DAW after being a loyal PT user for 10 years.

[skiltrip]

Originally Posted by oceantracks

And a ten minute song still takes 10 minutes to listen to in order to check your final mix for errors.

TH

I used to defend this one. Not sure how I found the nuts to do such a thing. Took me a while, but I saw the light.

[oceantracks]

Originally Posted by skiltrip

I used to defend this one. Not sure how I found the nuts to do such a thing. Took me a while, but I saw the light.

Tell us about the light. You mean the one where you just trust that the bounce went ok and send it to the client? Been there, done that, been embarrassed.

I use Logic so not defending PT, and I bounce offline all day. But I still have to check it.

TH