Making a trancegate

[Taybot]

I'm tryin tomake a trancegate in Logic 8. How do you make a trancegate that sounds like the beginning track 14, "Fallin In Love," on this link

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=863807


i'm usin logic 8 and I would like to not have to get an external vst plug in, i was hoping I could get this kind of effect in Logic.

specifically, how do you make it how it sounds, like how it raises in frequency?

thanks a ton I appreciate it.

[XHipHop]

I know you said you don't want external plugins but skidder works very nicely for the gate part of the sound... and it's free:

Destroy FX : Audio Units

Just get a pad where the filter is modulated to emulate that sound. There should be a few in ES2 that fit the bill.


If you want to do the gating a different way, set up a kick drum and program the patterns you want. Set that kick track to have no output. Then put a gate on your pad sound. Set the sidechain key of that gate to be the kick drum track. Bam, you have a rhythmic gating.

(EDIT, you'll also want some delay to get closer to that original sound)

[Taybot]

Thanks X but there is some stuff I'm not clear on. Why must I set up a kick drum to program the pattern? I'm not talking about a kick drum, I'm talking about this trance gate sound found on track 14, "Fallin in Love" on this link (it's at the beginning of the song, and then played throughout the song)

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=863807


So I really don't understand why everyone keeps mentioning a kick sound.

Also, you said to "put a gate on my trance sound." I don't know what that entails, nor do I know how to do it. Everybody keeps telling me to put a gate on my pad sound but it'd be nice if someone explained what that means.

Finally, I take it that sound is a pad? I thought it was a synth or something but if it is a pad, I will start calling it that. I'm trying to learn the correct terminology.

Thanks for your help I know that is alot of questions.

[Lrmusic]

Originally Posted by Taybot

So I really don't understand why everyone keeps mentioning a kick sound.

The kick sound is silent, it's output is inversely sidechained to the gated signal. This allows you to use the kick solely to control the volume of whatever signal its sidechained to (without hearing the kick in the track). For example, when the kick drum is at its maximum volume, the signal is at its minimum volume. This is good for you because you can use the kick to create the trademark "holes" in the trancegate sound.

Originally Posted by Taybot

Also, you said to "put a gate on my trance sound." I don't know what that entails, nor do I know how to do it. Everybody keeps telling me to put a gate on my pad sound but it'd be nice if someone explained what that means.

A gated patch is not a unique type of synth patch, it's usually an ordinary patch with either a volume LFO or a gate on it. So you can use anything as the basis for your gate sound...a lead, a pad, FX, whatever.

Originally Posted by Taybot

Finally, I take it that sound is a pad? I thought it was a synth or something but if it is a pad, I will start calling it that. I'm trying to learn the correct terminology.

Thanks for your help I know that is alot of questions.

It is a synth and a pad. In fact, its a synth pad, but not a pad synth (that probably wouldn't be too practical) . There are many categories of typical synth patches: pads, leads, fx, keys, gated, arpeggiated, perc, etc...

[Taybot]

Ok so that sound I put a link to is probably a synth, layered with a pad, right?

And I assume it would also fall into the category of gated, since it is a trancegate.

correct?

thanks!

[XHipHop]

Originally Posted by Taybot

Ok so that sound I put a link to is probably a synth, layered with a pad, right?

And I assume it would also fall into the category of gated, since it is a trancegate.

correct?

thanks!

Kind of correct.

You seem to be focusing on definitions of things when we're giving you TECHNIQUES.

My best advice is to go try everything we told you...and then when you get stuck come back and ask some questions.

I mean, if you've ever looked at the ES2's (or ANY SYNTH, for that matter) presets, you'd know what a pad is.

We've given you the answers, go forth and make it happen grasshopper.

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by Taybot

I'm tryin tomake a trancegate in Logic 8. How do you make a trancegate that sounds like the beginning track 14, "Fallin In Love," on this link

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=863807


i'm usin logic 8 and I would like to not have to get an external vst plug in, i was hoping I could get this kind of effect in Logic.

specifically, how do you make it how it sounds, like how it raises in frequency?

thanks a ton I appreciate it.

Oh no...not a trance gate

[Taybot]

i am thinking about buying Vanguard for these type of sounds. I went to the rfx site and noticed that Nexus looks crazy good too. Should I get that instead you think?

It seems like Nexus is like Vanguard but even better. Does Nexus have a trancegate like vanguard does, or what is your guys' opinion on the two?

thanks!

[.T.]

Originally Posted by Taybot

i am thinking about buying Vanguard for these type of sounds. I went to the rfx site and noticed that Nexus looks crazy good too. Should I get that instead you think?

It seems like Nexus is like Vanguard but even better. Does Nexus have a trancegate like vanguard does, or what is your guys' opinion on the two?

thanks!

Both of these products have demos.

Stop being a lemming and do some research.

[XHipHop]

Originally Posted by Taybot

i am thinking about buying Vanguard for these type of sounds. I went to the rfx site and noticed that Nexus looks crazy good too. Should I get that instead you think?

It seems like Nexus is like Vanguard but even better. Does Nexus have a trancegate like vanguard does, or what is your guys' opinion on the two?

thanks!

Did you try any of the stuff we suggested?

Do you know what a pad sound is yet?

Do you know what a sidechain is?

Do you know what a gate is?

[Taybot]

Not sure what a pad sound is exactly. I have an idea of what it sounds like though. Of course I can find it when I go through ES2 sound, but it doesn't tell you what a pad is exactly.

As for sidechain, I learned how to do it. I'm not sure what it is but at least I know how to do it. I take the ultrabeat and sidechain it to the ES2 and make a kick pattern on the ultrabeat, then the ES2 plays out in that pattern when I hold the note down on my keyboard.

A gate I think is the part where I use the kick to make the sound go in and out. Like it turns on & off, I think that is a gate. Not quite sure how it's different from arpeggiation though.

[Lrmusic]

Since I'm a giving person, here listen to this, maybe it will help. Hopefully the ten minutes I spent don't turn out to be wasted

Arpeggio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Taybot]

wow that was real helpful. thanks!

The only thing i don't get is what did you say at the part where it goes "I now...."

all I got was, "I now sidechain....of my pad and muted."

but I do understand that you sidechained the pad to the gate and muted the output of the gate. So that's why the pad went in and out, but the arpeggiation stayed the same.

Also, so all a gate is is that kick drum pattern? Which could actually be anything, a hi hat or snare pattern too, it doesn't matter cuz you have no output to it, right? But it seems from that explanation, that it's a gate even before you sidechain it, so technically I could call any kick drum pattern a gate, right?

Thanks! the drums you added at the end are dope, by the way

[Branmong]

Off-topic, but does anyone know why a pad is actually called a pad? Have always wondered about this...

[Lrmusic]

Originally Posted by Taybot

wow that was real helpful. thanks!

The only thing i don't get is what did you say at the part where it goes "I now...."

all I got was, "I now sidechain....of my pad and muted."

but I do understand that you sidechained the pad to the gate and muted the output of the gate. So that's why the pad went in and out, but the arpeggiation stayed the same.

Also, so all a gate is is that kick drum pattern? Which could actually be anything, a hi hat or snare pattern too, it doesn't matter cuz you have no output to it, right? But it seems from that explanation, that it's a gate even before you sidechain it, so technically I could call any kick drum pattern a gate, right?

Thanks! the drums you added at the end are dope, by the way

Noise gate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Methlab]

Originally Posted by Taybot

Also, so all a gate is is that kick drum pattern? Which could actually be anything, a hi hat or snare pattern too, it doesn't matter cuz you have no output to it, right? But it seems from that explanation, that it's a gate even before you sidechain it, so technically I could call any kick drum pattern a gate, right?

No. The patterns trigger the gate. The gate is what shuts off the sound. The gate is triggered by the pattern of the sound being sidechained into it. In this case it is the kick drum.

[XHipHop]

Originally Posted by lrmusic

since i'm a giving person, here listen to this, maybe it will help. Hopefully the ten minutes i spent don't turn out to be wasted

arpeggio - wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

awesome!

[XHipHop]

Originally Posted by Branmong

Off-topic, but does anyone know why a pad is actually called a pad? Have always wondered about this...

Because it "pads" out the track...aka fills out the track.

I wonder why a lead is called a lead...hmmm....

And a bass sound is called bass.

And FX patches are labeled FX.



Sorry. Long day.

[.T.]

Originally Posted by XHipHop

Because it "pads" out the track...aka fills out the track.

I wonder why a lead is called a lead...hmmm....

And a bass sound is called bass.

And FX patches are labeled FX.



Sorry. Long day.

They call it a kick drum, but I don't see anyone kicking the thing to make it work.

They call it a snare, but I don't see it trapping other percussion pieces.

They call it a hi-hat but I'm not wearing anything on my head to use it.

Not everything is as obvious as it seems...

[initself]

Originally Posted by Lrmusic

Since I'm a giving person, here listen to this, maybe it will help. Hopefully the ten minutes I spent don't turn out to be wasted

Arpeggio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

+1 Stellar! Great audio quality, too! I'd listen to that track all day long.