I know theres no rules but would you?

Realziment · 26th February 2010

So I made a beat a while back, and I done it about 4 in the morning, drunk and stressed out. The beat which i came back to this week, to finish, is really a beast of a tracK if i must say so myself. Anyways something i did for whatever reason, the way i played or been that i was in a crazy mindset, i made it with 6 bar cycles as apposed to 4 or my usual 8. I could take it back to 8 bars, bear in mind its not an 8 bar loop it changes. from cycle to cycle almost. But what about leaving it the way it is? Would this be wrong? Would it cause problems somewhere? Would it make people shake their heads at it been different than most? saying its not right etc etc. This is important, as i will be presenting this track to an important listener soon, along with others i feel fit the persons style. Please let me know your thoughts on this.

korbes · 26th February 2010

Why don't you just listen to it and find out if it makes you shake your head?

Don't be afraid to make your own decisions and learn to not care to much about what other people may think.

It's all about getting to a mindstate where you know what you are cabable of and what you want!

So if you feel this track the way it is, don't take its magic away out of fear for being to uncommon.

Case closed.

PS: From my own experience, once you come of age, these inscecurities get smaller and smaller, so there is another
reason to look out for your next few birthdays... ;-)

MikeyMike · 26th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realziment

So I made a beat a while back, and I done it about 4 in the morning, drunk and stressed out. The beat which i came back to this week, to finish, is really a beast of a tracK if i must say so myself. Anyways something i did for whatever reason, the way i played or been that i was in a crazy mindset, i made it with 6 bar cycles as apposed to 4 or my usual 8. I could take it back to 8 bars, bear in mind its not an 8 bar loop it changes. from cycle to cycle almost. But what about leaving it the way it is? Would this be wrong? Would it cause problems somewhere? Would it make people shake their heads at it been different than most? saying its not right etc etc. This is important, as i will be presenting this track to an important listener soon, along with others i feel fit the persons style. Please let me know your thoughts on this.

Frankie Hill · 26th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by korbes

Why don't you just listen to it and find out if it makes you shake your head?

Don't be afraid to make your own decisions and learn to not care to much about what other people may think.

It's all about getting to a mindstate where you know what you are cabable of and what you want!

So if you feel this track the way it is, don't take its magic away out of fear for being to uncommon.

Case closed.

+10!! thumbsupthumbsup I'll chime in here because I make a lot of tracks that most would be like "WTF is this"? And honestly, most do say that to me, but after a second, they seem to get into it. I personally just sit at my keyboard and whatever the hell comes out (within reason), I roll with it. If it makes me feel a certain way, it will move others as well. I never once sat at my keyboard and was like "I need to make something that everyone will like". Fck that. I do music because it makes me feel good and I dont take it too seriously, as you can see from my video: Chitlin-n-TheDude

Bottom line, if the music came out of you, and it made you feel a certain way, it can NEVER be wrong. It is only wrong if you are not staying true to the art and just want to make the same old cookie cutter shit.

Just stay true to what is in you and you will never fail. Fck what every one else likes. I can say that because I'm not expecting to make a career out of making music. Therefore, I dont try as hard as the next guy with the cookie cutter format.

"When you start to compromise your own thoughts, you become a candidate for mediocrity".

Chris Lago · 26th February 2010

Really curious to hear that "Beast" of a beat

MYAMS · 26th February 2010

lets ehre it we will let u know if its possible

beat you down · 26th February 2010

leave it.
if the important listener starts to nag, convince him or show him the door.

phillysoulman · 26th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie Hill

+10!! thumbsupthumbsup I'll chime in here because I make a lot of tracks that most would be like "WTF is this"? And honestly, most do say that to me, but after a second, they seem to get into it. I personally just sit at my keyboard and whatever the hell comes out (within reason), I roll with it. If it makes me feel a certain way, it will move others as well. I never once sat at my keyboard and was like "I need to make something that everyone will like". Fck that. I do music because it makes me feel good and I dont take it too seriously, as you can see from my video: Chitlin-n-TheDude

Bottom line, if the music came out of you, and it made you feel a certain way, it can NEVER be wrong. It is only wrong if you are not staying true to the art and just want to make the same old cookie cutter shit.

Just stay true to what is in you and you will never fail. Fck what every one else likes. I can say that because I'm not expecting to make a career out of making music. Therefore, I dont try as hard as the next guy with the cookie cutter format.

"When you start to compromise your own thoughts, you become a candidate for mediocrity".

thumbsupthumbsupTo the above and maybe stop with alcohol.

ryst · 26th February 2010

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Really curious to hear that "Beast" of a beat

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lets ehre it we will let u know if its possible

See, this is why I NEVER talk about my hip hop tracks on this board. A little humility goes a long way. I know if I say something about my own tracks, these questions will arise and then I'll be forced to embarrass myself with the reality that my tracks suck

Nostalgic · 26th February 2010

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Originally Posted by Chris Lago

Really curious to hear that "Beast" of a beat

+1...

Nostalgic · 26th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryst

See, this is why I NEVER talk about my hip hop tracks on this board. A little humility goes a long way. I know if I say something about my own tracks, these questions will arise and then I'll be forced to embarrass myself with the reality that my tracks suck

+1 again...

Realziment · 26th February 2010

Thanks for all the good advice, i think ill just add 2 bars and keep it at 8. Thanks to the people who shared there thoughts, everyone else is just tossers.

Frankie Hill · 26th February 2010

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Originally Posted by Realziment

Dude you made a comment like this before, and I was going to put soemthing up for you, but your a ****ing twat. After listening to your music I laughed and thought to myself, who does this dude think he is, your comments on here are pure hollywood bullshit, always trying to prove something or whatever but simply you come across as stupid as your picture looks, because the bullshit just reaks. Now this song in particular will be up on myspace, over the weekend, not for you. But i will inform you so you can hear the "Beast" that would piss on any of your shit that ive heard. Im sorry but i had to.

well DAYUM!!!!

LOL

Reggmail · 26th February 2010

Realziment hold up my brotha, you know we've shared opinions in other post, don't close out on us yet my brotha,
this is a good topic.

My opinion is, I think it depends on the song, the approach and genera will make a different's.
If it R&B type of song there are standard format that follows, such as ( intro 4-8 bars, verse 8-16 bars ''old school that's optional is sometimes pre hook usually 4
bars'', then ''chorus or hook usually 4-16 bars'', go to ''2nd verse 8-16 bars'' then ''B - section, usually 4 bars'' sometimes modulate then hook - vamp chorus out while adlib over the verse- corus, and fade.
Now this is by no means edged in stone sometimes you could start off with the hook / chorus but that's usually the basic format.
If you would listen to the radio most, not all songs would usually follow that similar arrangement format.
if you google words to most popular songs you would also see a similar to the same type of format as well.
Hip Hop or rap has became so commercially close to the same type of formats if it's vocals involved being played on major radio stations.

Now that's not by no means edged in stone that every song will be the same, but when I hear amatuere song writers and you go to, or watch some of the song writer seminars, ''with people who won countless awards'' they would say that they can usually tell an amatuer songwriter by his or her song arrangement skills.
Songs and poetry usually follow different formats, like books and movies. Book is usually rewritten in movie format, such as songs given to a well known song writer producer.
But just pointing out the basics, I would agree that you should do what you feel, I never understood why there is a basic format, it may have been something that started back in the day
and just stuck ( like Pro Tools...Lol) another expereanced song writer on this forum may can answere the question why.
I don't know, but I like some others asked you - I to, would like to hear your song and arrangement as well.

& blessings.

Powder Kutz · 27th February 2010

It's pretty simple bro.
Make a version of it how it is(6 bar). Bounce and Save file. Make another version that is 8 bar, bounce and save file.
Let the artist decide what he likes and can flow to. Yes i know...more work but you might learn something in the process.

Didn't have to hear anything to solve that one!

p.s. lol at the lago rippin!

Realziment · 27th February 2010

reggmail, and pwder kuts. Thanks to both for your opinion, Im going to pull it up now and maybe add 2 bars, and see how it works out. Cheers.

I will post when i put it up.

Chris Lago · 27th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryst

See, this is why I NEVER talk about my hip hop tracks on this board. A little humility goes a long way. I know if I say something about my own tracks, these questions will arise and then I'll be forced to embarrass myself with the reality that my tracks suck

You're a smart guy, seriously!

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Originally Posted by Powder Kutz

p.s. lol at the lago rippin!

Realziment · 27th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryst

See, this is why I NEVER talk about my hip hop tracks on this board. A little humility goes a long way. I know if I say something about my own tracks, these questions will arise and then I'll be forced to embarrass myself with the reality that my tracks suck

A year or 2 ago, I wouldn't have put anything up, im 22 i start making music at 12, 10 years later im finally becoming comfortable and happy enough with my stuff to put some out there, I had and have a lot of shit from the years that many people have loved, liked and not so much. But these days im on another level and improving with every next track i do, and that the way it should be. I dont have a certain style. Theres was a point when id listen to tracks and all the time id be like damn how the do that, id never be able to make a track or a melody like that, whatever, now im fortunate to be at the point where very little i hear phases me (granted the music has got worse in a lot of cases) theres not much i hear that i dont feel i couldnt do. But im trying to outdo what i can already do. In the past couple of month where things have been going so well musically for me and the work ive been puttin in for the people around, ive noticed so much hatin, even my artists best friend who is a more accomplished artists has been hain hard on him because hes progressin fast, its a mad world. I wish everyone could learn how to network with the ignorance, arrogance which is big problem, and just help the shit grow. But people are too concerned about whats coming from behind, and been passed by, instead of moving forward with their own shit.

AusChris · 27th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryst

See, this is why I NEVER talk about my hip hop tracks on this board. A little humility goes a long way. I know if I say something about my own tracks, these questions will arise and then I'll be forced to embarrass myself with the reality that my tracks suck

Haha same here dude.

It's all about having fun for me but it's nice to get positive feedback from people too. Something I realized a while ago is that my tracks don't suck nearly as much as I think they do...we can definitely be our own worst enemy when it comes to this.

Still...I'd never post one of my tracks here because it's just not up to commercial standards that many people here deal with on a day to day basis. Mind you 80% of the commercial stuff to my ears sounds like crap

OP - It really depends on who you're playing the beats for...anyone trying something a bit different gets my respect, that's for sure. If you think the beat suits him/her go for it!

MYAMS · 27th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realziment

A year or 2 ago, I wouldn't have put anything up, im 22 i start making music at 12, 10 years later im finally becoming comfortable and happy enough with my stuff to put some out there, I had and have a lot of shit from the years that many people have loved, liked and not so much. But these days im on another level and improving with every next track i do, and that the way it should be. I dont have a certain style. Theres was a point when id listen to tracks and all the time id be like damn how the do that, id never be able to make a track or a melody like that, whatever, now im fortunate to be at the point where very little i hear phases me (granted the music has got worse in a lot of cases) theres not much i hear that i dont feel i couldnt do. But im trying to outdo what i can already do. In the past couple of month where things have been going so well musically for me and the work ive been puttin in for the people around, ive noticed so much hatin, even my artists best friend who is a more accomplished artists has been hain hard on him because hes progressin fast, its a mad world. I wish everyone could learn how to network with the ignorance, arrogance which is big problem, and just help the shit grow. But people are too concerned about whats coming from behind, and been passed by, instead of moving forward with their own shit.

aight yo enogh with the stalling and touching lfie stories, lets here da beeeaaatttzzzz

Lrmusic · 27th February 2010

(another 3 minutes of my time gone...sigh)

Realziment · 27th February 2010

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Originally Posted by MYAMS

aight yo enogh with the stalling and touching lfie stories, lets here da beeeaaatttzzzz

My myspace link is on my sig. I have tracks up there. And i will post here as soon as i finish/get a rough on the beat in question, but i have added 2 bars, just makes the arrangement better didnt really make much differene to what i have so far, but i do love this beat. fuuck

MYAMS · 27th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realziment

My myspace link is on my sig. I have tracks up there. And i will post here as soon as i finish/get a rough on the beat in question, but i have added 2 bars, just makes the arrangement better didnt really make much differene to what i have so far, but i do love this beat. fuuck

tight look forward to hearing to it, no reason to flick me off lol

seen the myspace that stuff is dime a dozen, lets here this crack for ya stereo you got

Realziment · 27th February 2010

haha i wasnt flicking you off. i was just looking for a smiley only the first have of that post was intended for you.

u got anything i can hear.

MYAMS · 27th February 2010

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Originally Posted by Realziment

haha i wasnt flicking you off. i was just looking for a smiley only the first have of that post was intended for you.

u got anything i can hear.

i don't post stuff on GS no mo/can't post a lot of my material

I can tell you from experience posting tracks if they really are good can get you really far here... PMs can be quite a networking tool

Realziment · 27th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by MYAMS

i don't post stuff on GS no mo/can't post a lot of my material

I can tell you from experience posting tracks if they really are good can get you really far here... PMs can be quite a networking tool

thats good to know, anyone i should be looking toward specifically?

MYAMS · 27th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realziment

thats good to know, anyone i should be looking toward specifically?

there is a good chance whatever X hot shot, or A&R you been hittin up lurks here from time to time

ryst · 27th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by AusChris

Haha same here dude.

It's all about having fun for me but it's nice to get positive feedback from people too. Something I realized a while ago is that my tracks don't suck nearly as much as I think they do...we can definitely be our own worst enemy when it comes to this.

Still...I'd never post one of my tracks here because it's just not up to commercial standards that many people here deal with on a day to day basis. Mind you 80% of the commercial stuff to my ears sounds like crap

Well, my main point was that a little humility goes a long way. I've seen too many times where someone will come on here and say "hey, I made the best beat in the world...what do I do now?" and the thread will shift focus on the actual beat instead of the real question. And then the pissing contest starts...and then the thread gets deleted. It's so predictable. Everyone's egos and 4th grade mindset comes out of the woodwork.

I would have no problem sharing my tracks if I had a major concern about something. That hasn't happened yet. If I do have concerns, I have a selected group of colleagues I trust to give me a straight answer when needed. I've also been playing and recording music since I was 5 so my confidence in my own music and productions is not an issue.

I just think it's funny how quickly things turn into a pissing contest around here.

ryst · 27th February 2010

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Originally Posted by MYAMS

i don't post stuff on GS no mo/can't post a lot of my material

But I have heard some of them!thumbsup

MYAMS · 27th February 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryst

But I have heard some of them!thumbsup

thats cuase you're a down ass ni$$a

26th February 2010	#1
Realziment Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles / Dublin Posts: 1,560 Thread Starter	I know theres no rules but would you? So I made a beat a while back, and I done it about 4 in the morning, drunk and stressed out. The beat which i came back to this week, to finish, is really a beast of a tracK if i must say so myself. Anyways something i did for whatever reason, the way i played or been that i was in a crazy mindset, i made it with 6 bar cycles as apposed to 4 or my usual 8. I could take it back to 8 bars, bear in mind its not an 8 bar loop it changes. from cycle to cycle almost. But what about leaving it the way it is? Would this be wrong? Would it cause problems somewhere? Would it make people shake their heads at it been different than most? saying its not right etc etc. This is important, as i will be presenting this track to an important listener soon, along with others i feel fit the persons style. Please let me know your thoughts on this. __________________ http://www.realizmrecordz.com http://www.myspace.com/realizmrecordz http://www.myspace.com/realizment

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26th February 2010	#2
korbes Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 491	Why don't you just listen to it and find out if it makes you shake your head? Don't be afraid to make your own decisions and learn to not care to much about what other people may think. It's all about getting to a mindstate where you know what you are cabable of and what you want! So if you feel this track the way it is, don't take its magic away out of fear for being to uncommon. Case closed. PS: From my own experience, once you come of age, these inscecurities get smaller and smaller, so there is another reason to look out for your next few birthdays... ;-)

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26th February 2010	#14
Reggmail Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Philadelphia PA Posts: 716	Realziment hold up my brotha, you know we've shared opinions in other post, don't close out on us yet my brotha, this is a good topic. My opinion is, I think it depends on the song, the approach and genera will make a different's. If it R&B type of song there are standard format that follows, such as ( intro 4-8 bars, verse 8-16 bars ''old school that's optional is sometimes pre hook usually 4 bars'', then ''chorus or hook usually 4-16 bars'', go to ''2nd verse 8-16 bars'' then ''B - section, usually 4 bars'' sometimes modulate then hook - vamp chorus out while adlib over the verse- corus, and fade. Now this is by no means edged in stone sometimes you could start off with the hook / chorus but that's usually the basic format. If you would listen to the radio most, not all songs would usually follow that similar arrangement format. if you google words to most popular songs you would also see a similar to the same type of format as well. Hip Hop or rap has became so commercially close to the same type of formats if it's vocals involved being played on major radio stations. Now that's not by no means edged in stone that every song will be the same, but when I hear amatuere song writers and you go to, or watch some of the song writer seminars, ''with people who won countless awards'' they would say that they can usually tell an amatuer songwriter by his or her song arrangement skills. Songs and poetry usually follow different formats, like books and movies. Book is usually rewritten in movie format, such as songs given to a well known song writer producer. But just pointing out the basics, I would agree that you should do what you feel, I never understood why there is a basic format, it may have been something that started back in the day and just stuck ( like Pro Tools...Lol) another expereanced song writer on this forum may can answere the question why. I don't know, but I like some others asked you - I to, would like to hear your song and arrangement as well. & blessings.

27th February 2010	#15
Powder Kutz Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 83	It's pretty simple bro. Make a version of it how it is(6 bar). Bounce and Save file. Make another version that is 8 bar, bounce and save file. Let the artist decide what he likes and can flow to. Yes i know...more work but you might learn something in the process. Didn't have to hear anything to solve that one! p.s. lol at the lago rippin!