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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida
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| Can an Artist can get a certified Gold & Platinum single with (legal) downloads??? Hi slutz A client just asked me this question... " If I put a song on ITunes and it gets...let say 500.000 download...Its that a Gold single, isn't??..." It sounded like a good question to share (because I really don't know )Thanks Adrianex |
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| Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2005
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| good ? i don't know but i believe it is determined by the number of units scanned by soundscan so the question is does soundscan have a online tracking device implemented with the major online retailers for online sales. i don't know like i said but i am going to now look into it on there site and see what it says. |
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| Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NYC / Sao Paulo
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| its 100k for gold and 200k for plat |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles
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| In the USA it's 500,000 for gold and 1,000,000 for platinum.
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2005
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| seeing as downloading is worldwide....shouldnt 1,000,000 be gold? |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida
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| I agree that if dowloading retailers are worlwide like Itunes or mp3.com, etc. Then, it should be at least a 1,000,000 for gold. I don't know if thats get awarded now, but I believe it should anyway, for me its the same basics... People buying music...If they like to do it online or in a retail store, its just the consumer's preference. But I looked at RIIA web page and they don't have anything about it. But I did found that they don't only use the soundscan to determine sales... http://www.riaa.com/gp/certification/default.asp Hopefully somebody will have an answer Adrianex |
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| Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NYC / Sao Paulo
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| its not that high for singles anymore. its 100k for gold and 200k for platinum. http://www.billboard.com/bb/charts/hot100.jsp look at the bottom Recording Industry Assn. of America (RIAA) certification for net shipment of 100,000 paid downloads (Gold). RIAA certification for net shipment of 200,000 paid downloads (Platinum), with additional 200,000 indicated by a number following the symbol. |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Miami FL
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more backwards thinking from the RIAA. lol. why would it be less if its WORLDwide? Doesn't make much sense. | |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: London
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| Hmmm. Not sure if it's a worldwide chart total YET. For instance: I can't buy a single via iTunes here in the UK if it's only been released in the States. Therefore sales here can't be used in a worldwide calculation for each and every release. Sidenote: Downloads are included in UK chart calculations. I think I remember some hoohaw about the Gorillaz 'Dare' download being eligible for for the charts before it was even in the shops. R.
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| Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NYC / Sao Paulo
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| its not worldwide. its by territory. they just changed it in the states because no one buys singles here any more, thats less the case in europe still. |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles
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Ahh, never saw that before. That seems to be for downloads only, not actual CD sales.
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2005
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| I havent actually checked that in a while, the singles gold and platinum status that is.I wonder what the reason for the regression in certification could be due to to.Possibly the spate of piracy that could have made them reassess things, coupled with the fact that singles are no longer sold in the US in "hardcopy" format.I think it may change as digital downloading increases.I mean, if Elton John's Bernie Taupin (Candle in the wind) re-write was released during this time, it would have gone diamond a few times over, at least.Thanx for the info D. Btw, Robmix, I just ventured to ur site very kwikly.See you finished up work with Matthew Kennedy.I believe he's texas-based, but I didnt know he was actually from SA.Is he now permanently residing in the US?Think he worked with KOOS TURENHOUT (member of 1931 Raygun-trip hop band) on a project once. |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: London
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| Not sure if this is what you mean but basically they have to keep scaling back sales requirements because we're not selling as many albums these days and in order to keep being able to use the Gold/Platinum status as marketing "notch's" in artist/company belts they have to make the targets realistic. R.
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles
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It looks like albums are still 500,000 and 1,000,000 for gold and platinum. So this new lower standard is just for downloads ?
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| Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NYC / Sao Paulo
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| its def just for downloads |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2005
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| I was wondering if downloads have an impact on album charts too as I notice some services offer full album downloads too.Does anyone know if this is ackowledge as yet, by the industry as a whole?I dont think it is as yet, but just curious to know if there is a move toward this, in progress. |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida
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| Thanks for all your help.. Sorry I was Away, (Wilma stoped by...No power until today) I agree that its a little bit low to get a gold or platinum status, considering that people are buying more IPOD or MP3 players than Cd Player. But I do believe it will be raise later. I know that a lot of band sale their singles for $1 (or $.99) and add the option to download the album for between $7 and $10 (most of the time for half of what would cost teh CD)... Do the downloads of the album will be certified seperate from the albums sold on retail stores? I didn't know that Itunes was regional...thats good to know.. Thanks again for all your input Adrianex |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: on the couch
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Bad times for majors, great time for local and regional musicians. | |
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| Moderator | By the way, has anyone here been involved with marketing an online single? Do you have to approach the marketing/advertising differently? |
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| Gear Head Join Date: Apr 2003
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From my understanding it is most important to work with the available search engines, since this is what your prospective customers will be using to access their content. For example, you could do a cover-version of a track that is in the iTunes Top10, so everytime somebody is entering "because of you" into the search field your track would also be in the search results. If it is cool, somebody might buy it - it' only 99 cents! Or you could just name your track the same, but still do an original song with no connection besides the title. I think online advertising and marketing works this way (via google, for example). http://www.futureofmusicbook.com/ The Future of Music | |
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| Lives for gear | Quote:
Imagine streaming .wavs :) The mp3 era could be over, replaced with higher quality audio. Hard drive space keeps getting bigger with tiny units/flash drives.... It could happen.
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2005
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| Maybe not wavs but lossless compression for sure... |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: on the couch
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Internet2 was used to stream DVD-quality (both audio and video) 2 years ago...but it´s structure is for scientific use only. | |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2005
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| First science, then commercialization.Thats the general trend.I mean the net used to be strictly for military uses and the like so now everyone has access to it.But then again, makes u wonder what the heck they using now. ![]() |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2005
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| An army of remote controlled beavers with mind reading capabillities... |
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| Motown legend Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Songwriter Gulch, Nashville TN
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| In the US, gold used to mean a million dollars worth of retail income from a single or an album while platinum meant 1000,000 albums sold. It was less in other countries. I haven't looked into this in ages so it may have changed. |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2005
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| Bob, ur right there.It was and still is less in other countries and in some cases, considerably less.It may range from 500K down to 50K for a platinum plaque.Its all about how the infra-structure of the industry is setup for the particular country. |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida
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| Well, I Know a lot of local artists that I've worked with, they went with CD Baby, for what they told me CD baby get your song in Itunes, Napster, mp3.com, etc and they get 9% of the cut (after Itune or however make their cut)...so at the end I know they get like $.50 and $.70 per download (depending where it was downloaded...every company has a different rate) and I know one of them they got already 50K downloads...at an average of $.60 per download its $30K...Its not a bad deal IMO for a local artist. On the sales part...I'm from Venezuela but I live in FT.Lauderdale now and just to let you know in Venezuela its 10K for gold and 20K for plat (last time I checked)..You have to consider that its only 20 million people and piracy its illegal, but not punished , and thats the scene I believe pretty much in all south america. Best Regards Adrianex |
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