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Mixing rap beat and vocals in Fl Studio 9

As of FL Studio9 I have actually been bringing in audio vocals with the beat in Fl Studio 9 and trying to mix them together thinking the outcome would be great. It seems on my Rokit 5's the mix sounds pretty good but in the car and other places its not seeming half as good. I read somewhere that some people put effects or different limiters on the master bus to help with monitor fooling. Does anyone else do this or have any ways that may help me with this big problem.
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acoustically treat your room and spend a few years learning to mix 'better'
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I've actually done it not long ago and it sounded fine. What do you feel is the problem in your mixes? Too much bass? Not enough compression? Do you know your monitors well enough? Do you reference with songs that are out there? I think level matching the song you feel that is the closest in dynamics to yours, and then fixing things that might be less obvious to you at this stage would help a lot.
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Most of the time the vocals seem to not come through enough or my mids and high may clash in the car. It sounds semi clear then sounds muddy in the car.
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Most of the time the vocals seem to not come through enough or my mids and high may clash in the car. It sounds semi clear then sounds muddy in the car.
That is definitely attributed to the mixing. Depending on what it is, you may need more compression on specific elements, notching a couple of conflicting frequencies etc. All in all, if you really want great results, getting a decent mixing engineer would definitely help. Can you post the mix? Maybe the let me hear my mix section would be more suited for this.
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If you can not afford to invest 1k (yes, im serious) in room treatment (please look up realtraps), get some open-ear, reference class headphones until you can. Sorry, you just can't hear anything correctly without extensive treatment.
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I am pretty new to mixing music and I am getting the hang of compression and limiting and all that. when I make a beat and listen to it. it really doesnt sound that bad but something just doesnt seem right. I just wonder if any one has any tips on what I could do for my track to make everything blend together. I am using compression, but am I using enough. anyone?
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I am pretty new to mixing music and I am getting the hang of compression and limiting and all that. when I make a beat and listen to it. it really doesnt sound that bad but something just doesnt seem right. I just wonder if any one has any tips on what I could do for my track to make everything blend together. I am using compression, but am I using enough. anyone?
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If you can not afford to invest 1k (yes, im serious) in room treatment (please look up realtraps), get some open-ear, reference class headphones until you can. Sorry, you just can't hear anything correctly without extensive treatment.
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Im in a similar situation as the OP. I use FL Studio 9 at times and other programs from time to time but I too find with all of them that my mixes are playing tricks on me and YES im sure my "untreated" room has alot to do with this but my question is. Is there some sort of "workaround" or "trick" to get a decent mix with an "untreated" room?
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Im in a similar situation as the OP. I use FL Studio 9 at times and other programs from time to time but I too find with all of them that my mixes are playing tricks on me and YES im sure my "untreated" room has alot to do with this but my question is. Is there some sort of "workaround" or "trick" to get a decent mix with an "untreated" room?
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Ive heard that same thing a few times but Ive also hear MORE times than that, that it wasnt a good idea to mix in headphones.
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I have heard of one technique, not sure how realistic it is, and haven't tried it myself. Basically, take a mic, and place it at head level the same place your head would be when listening. Play some pink noise that is the same volume at all frequencies while looking at a frequency analyzer like voxengospan. In an untreated room this will not be a flat curve, so you look at what frequencies are out of whack, and eq the signal until it's completely flat. Then apply the same eq to your master bus of whatever track you are working on, and it will do a decent halfassed job of giving you a flat response, despite your room.

Has anybody tried this?
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I have heard of one technique, not sure how realistic it is, and haven't tried it myself. Basically, take a mic, and place it at head level the same place your head would be when listening. Play some pink noise that is the same volume at all frequencies while looking at a frequency analyzer like voxengospan. In an untreated room this will not be a flat curve, so you look at what frequencies are out of whack, and eq the signal until it's completely flat. Then apply the same eq to your master bus of whatever track you are working on, and it will do a decent halfassed job of giving you a flat response, despite your room.

Has anybody tried this?
Digital Room Correction?

Heaps of info out there on the net about it...like this: Main Page - DRC

There is a few "pricey" software solutions out there, like the ARC system:

IK Multimedia ARC Room Correction System from zZounds.com

Either way...I don't think it will completely replace at least a minimum of room treatment like a few bass traps and panel
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I am pretty new to mixing music and I am getting the hang of compression and limiting and all that. when I make a beat and listen to it. it really doesnt sound that bad but something just doesnt seem right. I just wonder if any one has any tips on what I could do for my track to make everything blend together. I am using compression, but am I using enough. anyone?
First thing I would try is learning how to use an EQ, forget about limiters and compressors for a minute and start cutting frequencies...if the bass guitar and kick are clashing, cut some lows out of the bass around where the kick is peaking...you need to make a space for all of your instruments to sit without other instruments sitting on top of them!! A little practice and you will be good...then after you get everything sounding good you can play with your limiter....you should be able to have it sounding very good before you even slap on a limiter or compressor, especially when using samples!! Hope I helped, good luck!
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I have heard of one technique, not sure how realistic it is, and haven't tried it myself. Basically, take a mic, and place it at head level the same place your head would be when listening. Play some pink noise that is the same volume at all frequencies while looking at a frequency analyzer like voxengospan. In an untreated room this will not be a flat curve, so you look at what frequencies are out of whack, and eq the signal until it's completely flat. Then apply the same eq to your master bus of whatever track you are working on, and it will do a decent halfassed job of giving you a flat response, despite your room.

Has anybody tried this?
IMO- about that ^^^^ "trick" My guess is the music your mixing sounds different than pink noise, very different. Keep that in mind when the results sound funny. skip that "halfassed" stuff and get back to mixing cause band-aids like that often lead to a halfassed track.

+1 to the open headphone suggestion. Especially if the translation problem is in the mid to highs, some good openback headphones will give you a detailed view of your mix without the untreated room interfering. Lots of options out there but i really enjoy my AKG K701's. And don't forget to break em in....seriously.
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I have tried mixing vocals in FL and its a nightmare. I don't think FL is very good with mixing vocals. It doesn't place them well and the sound engine just isn't built for it. Mix vocals in something made for it - Ableton, protools, etc.
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For searyous mixing I use eather Locic or ProTools and I havent realy used FL studio since it was called FrutyLoops but the mixing is the same. USE EQ!

The most common problem with hiphop beats is the war with kick vs base. Let the base fill up what the kick doesen't or vice versa. Eather Hipass the kick and put the base under it or eq down the kick where the base is most powerful and same on the base. Thease will muddy up the whole mix if they crash!

For mixing rap vocals Hi-pass!!! I usualy go between 120 and 200 with a sharp sloap. (this is a starting point every song is different) It's ok if it sounds weard lissening to it soloed it will sound more natural on top of the beat.

For starters compress only to keep the vocals in check so that they won't duck under the music or be to loud from part to part... Don't put limiters on the master bus in the mix leave it to the mastering. Its supposed to sound good as a mix not squashed and it sounds like your problem is the Eqing. Don't be shy about cutting a lot of base of everything exept the base and kick.

As to mixing in a untreated room. I am skeptical to the room eq not done with propper nolage and equipment. If your room has a big dipp somewere and the eq boosts 16dB on that frequensy its realy easy to burn out your speakers. Allso walk around in the room and you'll hear the fekusency spectrum change..

If you want to pull of a good mix in a untreated home studio use REFERENCE MATERIAL!! A lot! Your music will sound different but lissen to what sounds weard. Allso get to know your speakers. How does music sound on your speakers and in your room,

Use a lot of speakers and headphones. Flip between them and lissen to both your music and the reference music. It is dangerous pulling an entire mix in headphones. If you take them of the music will sound weard, but lissen and solve problems with them.

Mixing with weard monitoring is a pain in the as but it can be done... I have done it...
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