Bedrock - Young Money

[jmaine]

Is it just me or does it kind of sound like the vocals werent fully mixed down all the way? I can still hear some of the low end in all of their vocals... hmm...

[mgthefuture]

Originally Posted by jmaine

Is it just me or does it kind of sound like the vocals werent fully mixed down all the way? I can still hear some of the low end in all of their vocals... hmm...

judging by the budget beats...im assuming it was also a budget mix job

they just throwing hail marys in 2009

[countrylac]

If you listen to the whole album you will notice that very few songs have vocals stacks. One reason is because Wayne doesn't usually stack his vocals and on most of the songs with him the other people in Young Money don't have any. And just maybe this is how they wanted it to sound.

[CityDump Records]

Does anyone know the vocal chain for any of the artists on this song?

[populardemand]

Originally Posted by jmaine

Is it just me or does it kind of sound like the vocals werent fully mixed down all the way? I can still hear some of the low end in all of their vocals... hmm...

You are supposed to have low end in vocals. Fabian knows what he's doing and by his prices and discography he is far from budget.

The super thin rap vocal is something very recent to the daw age-lack of skills new engineers. This is one of the main reasons people on forums can't get their vocals to stand strong in the mix.

Originally Posted by CityDump Records

Does anyone know the vocal chain for any of the artists on this song?

In the past, I've recorded Nikki & Wayne on Sony(nikki only), U87, and the Blue Bottle. Jae Mills on U87. Avalon 737 or BAE 1073

[CityDump Records]

Originally Posted by populardemand

You are supposed to have low end in vocals. Fabian knows what he's doing and by his prices and discography he is far from budget.

The super thin rap vocal is something very recent to the daw age-lack of skills new engineers. This is one of the main reasons people on forums can't get their vocals to stand strong in the mix.



In the past, I've recorded Nikki & Wayne on Sony(nikki only), U87, and the Blue Bottle. Jae Mills on U87. Avalon 737 or BAE 1073

Sounds like the usually suspects. I personally really like the sound of those vocals I think they are up close and warm.

I was wondering if they changed mic setups with each take or if they used the same chain the whole time.

I also wondered if mic placement changed that much per take and if they were all back to back or done on separate sessions.. any info would be great!

[Subby32]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

judging by the budget beats...im assuming it was also a budget mix job

they just throwing hail marys in 2009

The beats r dope....not startin an argument but wat makes u think they're budget?

[cnotedatruth]

To be honest the 87 into the avalon is the typical "hip-hop setup" in most studio. Not to down play anyone mixes cus im still learning the arts myself but if you get a quality recording goin in then your good. People go for the avalon /u87 setup b/c they saw someone else with or it was recommended. but it does sound good cant deny that.

[VT-MHE]

Despite the fact that I hate most of the rapping on the song the mix is very good. The track has clarity detail and punch if your listening through quality d to a converters you can have a far better listening experience, however it sounds good in whatever system you play it in. The vocals don't have a bunch of low end. Most consumer stereos and computer speakers and all that have eqs already an enhanced frequencies. If you listen to it flat or correctly balanced you will her the vocal is full and flawless. Because if the vocal had a bunch of low end it would be clashing with the 808 and other bass frequencies, which would muddy up the sound, but there's no mud to be found. Fabian is a monster! And very well knows what he's doing. You don't believe me? Listen to his mixes on ti papertrail and flo-ridas low...... some of the most stellar mixing that he's done was on young jeezys the recession album. The mixing was phenomenal! U wanna learn how to mix southern rap music? That album is the guide!

[MikeyMike]

Who gives a damn about a mix when the song sucks asscakes. Secondly, this is not southern rap music. Thirdly, the vocals have no body and the midranges are severly liking. Southern rap music never sounds like this. Too clean and poppy.

[Reggmail]

Originally Posted by MikeyMike

Who gives a damn about a mix when the song sucks asscakes. Secondly, this is not southern rap music. Thirdly, the vocals have to body and the midranges are severly liking. Southern rap music never sounds like this. Too clean and poppy.

MikeyMike, please calm down my brotha, everyone's opinion here is valid including yours.
I'm just saying,
I'm sure that Wayne or anyone in their Young Money camp don't care what any of us think about their songs.
Where just exploring the technics.....so relax, read, learn and give your knowledge my brother.
Populardemand's Thanks for the insight, I agree with you it can't be a money issue.
& blessings.

[Synthy08]

This song is the DEFINITION of a hit song, good melody, catchy hook, and EVERY MC on the song has a memorable punchline. when this comes on in the club ppl go wild i saw it first hand during spring break

[ether88]

the song makes me want to rip my ear off and flush them away . Im not a fan of the vocals/beat, but the mix is good.

[MikeyMike]

Originally Posted by ether88

the song makes me want to rip my ear off and flush them away . Im not a fan of the vocals/beat, but the mix is good.

Hahahahahaha!!!

[Jess Jackson]

Originally Posted by CityDump Records

Does anyone know the vocal chain for any of the artists on this song?

Hi

I'm tyga's producer n also cut and mix his vocals.

I recently switched up his vocal chain for the upcoming album but we used to go C800g > 1073 > custom opto compressor > ad16x

Bedrock one of the only tracks I haven't done. they used the blue.

[Xplizit]

I like the song, but hate the over-all sound, and the rest of the album bout the same...like mikey said, no midrange, and thin sounding vocals...maybe a mastering issue?...set it next to relapse and its obvious,,,my 2 c'z...x...

[BuddyDouglas]

this song is awesome and hilarious. You can't deny the sense of irreverence in the lyrics. That's probably what makes it a fun song. And the arrangement sounds like Animal Collective slowed down, this song is sweet.

[Antagonist]

Happened to check in and see this thread-

I can attest to being in session with Fabian. Dude is extremely talented and a force behind alot of the Young Money/Khaled/ Miami made music that has come out in the last several years. I never give any other engineers secrets but I will say that when mixing their process is very minimal, concentrating more on the purity of the sound. Alot is done in Miami at The Hit Factor and/or Circle House.

Just want to clarify, like the poster above, these dudes know what they are doing, Fabian, Miguel, Infamous, and the rest of their team is not low budget, nor do they skimp.

With all that being said. I'm a fan of the non-stacked vocals that sound pure like a single track... that doesn't work on EVERY emcee though. Alot of guys still sound great with adlibs and a thick wall of sound behind them.

Hope all you slutz are doing well!
ANT

[BaySickLy]

I also think the arrangement is soft in this case so it doesn't call for strong vocals or duplicates. Delay gives vocals a lot of prominence from an attention perspective. I thought it was mixed in a catchyness inducing way.

And yeah it does drive people crazy when it comes on in clubs.

[Xplizit]

...now whoever is responsible for Over by Drake...thats a FAT track filled with juicy goodness...x...

[MotifStudios]

Originally Posted by Xplizit

...now whoever is responsible for Over by Drake...thats a FAT track filled with juicy goodness...x...

indeed..

in terms of bedrock; i dont get why people hate on a track thats made so much noise... its a hit, get over it.. bad mix or not.. its a hit.

[Synthy08]

Originally Posted by Xplizit

...now whoever is responsible for Over by Drake...thats a FAT track filled with juicy goodness...x...

Yea Boi 1da produced that and his friend made the sample for him out of all original playing.

[jbrown1music]

nothing wrong with not stacking vocals a million times for rap. stacking to me is an attempt to cover up garbage lyrics. and bedrock doesnt have the worst mix either

[MikeyMike]

Originally Posted by jbrown1music

nothing wrong with not stacking vocals a million times for rap. stacking to me is an attempt to cover up garbage lyrics. and bedrock doesnt have the worst mix either

LOL. You kidding. I can't even take this post serious. It that was the case, then Bedrock should've have 50 tracks of vocals.

[Xplizit]

...like i said b4, not sure how much of this is a mixing issue...everything has good balance and space with most of the album following suit...it just seems like once it got 2 the mastering stage something happened...any1 kno? just curious...x...

[VT-MHE]

Originally Posted by MikeyMike

Who gives a damn about a mix when the song sucks asscakes. Secondly, this is not southern rap music. Thirdly, the vocals have no body and the midranges are severly liking. Southern rap music never sounds like this. Too clean and poppy.

I could care less about the record, but some people like it. I am discussing the sonic qualities of the song. U must not know what southern rap is. Regardless of the branches or variations of it, its still southern music. Hence the heavy 808 drums and percussion. Ti mixes, clean, jeezy mixes clean, Gucci mane mixes clean and that's all so called trap music as south as it get. The sonic clarity and definion does not make it pop. Converters and computers are the main tools used now you shouldn't expect it to sound like take, if ur comparing what u think is the quality of southern music pre 1999. Music period never sounded like this... but things change some times for the worst. But its their single it had to be clean and poppy that's all that's on the radio they just had to fit the format.

[basementx]

That song is pretty sweet.. catchy raps.. monster hook.. it has all the ingredients.. Budget??? really??? it sounds pretty fricin' professional to me..

[EDF]

Song sounds mixed good, it's the sound that they search for, no time for the doubles and etc. If you think this one sounds bad, listen to the original Bedrock track. That was a horrible mix.

[A-List]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

they just throwing hail marys in 2009

i'd say more of a slam dunk. from the first time i heard that, it sounded like a smash hit record. i was sitting in the car telling my wife i thought that it is going to be a huge hit. a no brainer for whoever had to pick the singles.

[lospat123]

im sorry but i know its been said but ill say it also. horrible song, might be a hit but to me a hit is anything u play on radio enough and it will be a hit most of the times...