Mixing question/adding fx

[JROKER]

ok, can someone help me with this one, if i have a vocal track recorded on track 1, and add fx on that channel, lets just say reverb... then on track two, i have a vocal recorded, and add an fx channel, then add reverb... what are the differences... is adding the fx channel then the reverb the rite way, so i can leave the original vocal preserved... i hope someone can understand that... thanks

[tlennon]

Using a send to a reverb return track will allow you to use the send level to vary the amount of the vocal sent for processing by the verb. If you insert the verb on the vocal track, you have to control the amount by the dry/mix level in the reverb which is not as convenient. Also, sending to a return track will allow you to send more than one track to the verb using a single processor rather than putting a verb on every track. Hope this helps.

[JROKER]

OK, THNX, and do i have to have my mix, wet n dry, all wet, and control it in the fx channel for phasing???

[phillysoulman]

Wow..just wow..thats all I have to say.

[Lehkz]

Not to sound like a dick...

This is some basic mixing shit that can be learned hands on... My advice would be to hit a google search and type in "Aux + Reverb". Read up about it and try both ways yourself.

There really is no "right" way. But, you would be able to answer your own question after just researching and applying the knowledge.

- Lehkz

[Storyville]

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

Wow..just wow..thats all I have to say.

PSM is speechless!?

Yeah, I'm lost on the question. OP, can you rephrase your second question?

[voicegenius]

Originally Posted by JROKER

OK, THNX, and do i have to have my mix, wet n dry, all wet, and control it in the fx channel for phasing???

Holy.... Did you proofread before you posted this?

[Storyville]

Originally Posted by JROKER

OK, THNX, and do i have to have my mix, wet n dry, all wet, and control it in the fx channel for phasing???

Perhaps a glossary of terms would help?

Mix (in context) - the sum of all elements comprising the song.

Wet - the signal after it has been processed. most commonly used in the context of fx such as reverbs, delays, and special fx like flangers and phasers.

Dry - the unaffected signal.

Phasing - the interaction of similar signals at constant time (comb filtering) or altering times (phasing, proper).

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by Storyville

Perhaps a glossary of terms would help?

Mix (in context) - the sum of all elements comprising the song.

Wet - the signal after it has been processed. most commonly used in the context of fx such as reverbs, delays, and special fx like flangers and phasers.

Dry - the unaffected signal.

Phasing - the interaction of similar signals at constant time (comb filtering) or altering times (phasing, proper).

Perhaps an education and mastery of the English language would help.

[JROKER]

what a bunch of arrogant fux in here... the first guy who responded answered it, and my second question was, about phasing, meaning in the reverb vst itself, it i had to leave the wet at 100% if i send that reverb to an fx channel... i was just told that if the mix level wasnt 100% wet, i would get some kind of phasing... thats all... it was a general question...

[J CraQ]

Most folks around these parts get into some in depth discussions... Simple stuff ie. an aux send is chapter 1 stuff... You're gonna get killed around here asking questions like this basic mixing question... You'd be better off just browsing the forum and educating yourself as much as possible before you start asking questions like these. There is plenty of information here on gearslutz to keep you noggin filled by simply using the search.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by JROKER

what a bunch of arrogant fux in here... the first guy who responded answered it, and my second question was, about phasing, meaning in the reverb vst itself, it i had to leave the wet at 100% if i send that reverb to an fx channel... i was just told that if the mix level wasnt 100% wet, i would get some kind of phasing... thats all... it was a general question...

PSM doesn't suffer fools gladly, and whilst his approach can be blunt:

a) if you knew who he is, you'd agree he's earned the right.

b) your questions ARE very basic (that's cool, gotta start somewhere) and have been covered many many times before - searching for "send FX" or similar would probably help. First rule of bulletin boards - search first

c) would help if you formulated sentences - if someone has to decipher your post in order to help you, I don't understand why they'd be bothered to help you - I certainly wouldn't.

PS as a new poster, calling established people "arrogant fux" doesn't exactly endear you to the board.

[Storyville]

Originally Posted by JROKER

what a bunch of arrogant fux in here... the first guy who responded answered it, and my second question was, about phasing, meaning in the reverb vst itself, it i had to leave the wet at 100% if i send that reverb to an fx channel... i was just told that if the mix level wasnt 100% wet, i would get some kind of phasing... thats all... it was a general question...

I'll assume that wasn't aimed at me, as I simply did not understand what you were saying in your second question. Now that you have rephrased it - your question makes A LOT MORE SENSE.

The answer is: leave the wet at 100% when sending to a reverb channel. You won't get phasing issues, unless you have something on the reverb channel that causes some kind of latency to the output. However, the idea is to have a "reverb signal," exclusively, so that whatever you do manipulates just that. You already have your dry signal on a seperate channel.

[Storyville]

Originally Posted by J CraQ

Most folks around these parts get into some in depth discussions... Simple stuff ie. an aux send is chapter 1 stuff... You're gonna get killed around here asking questions like this basic mixing question... You'd be better off just browsing the forum and educating yourself as much as possible before you start asking questions like these. There is plenty of information here on gearslutz to keep you noggin filled by simply using the search.

You might get the "use the search function" response. But in this case, it appeared as if the OP didn't know what terms to use.

[ryst]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

PSM doesn't suffer fools gladly, and whilst his approach can be blunt:

a) if you knew who he is, you'd agree he's earned the right.

b) your questions ARE very basic (that's cool, gotta start somewhere) and have been covered many many times before - searching for "send FX" or similar would probably help. First rule of bulletin boards - search first

c) would help if you formulated sentences - if someone has to decipher your post in order to help you, I don't understand why they'd be bothered to help you - I certainly wouldn't.

PS as a new poster, calling established people "arrogant fux" doesn't exactly endear you to the board.

[JROKER]

thanks storyville, i get it now... ill post up some of my mixes... i want to hear what you guys have to say bout em, good or bad...

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by JROKER

thanks storyville, i get it now... ill post up some of my mixes... i want to hear what you guys have to say bout em, good or bad...

...in the right thread now mind...see the stickies!

[Lawrence]

I think PSM's responses to things like this are based on people actually recording and mixing music already that don't yet even understand the basic principals involved. I fully agree that "you gotta start somewhere" sure, but starting in the middle is not the best idea. Try starting at the beginning.

No offense intended, my bookshelf in my den has quite a few "For Dummies" books.

[JROKER]

all this bs from asking the dif on something... yea the fx can be applied both ways i know this... wanted to know the dif between the two... was looking for a mature answer, not oh thats a newbie ques... ha ha, and people take the time to talk bs, but not answer a simple question... ???

[Lawrence]

Originally Posted by JROKER

all this bs from asking the dif on something... yea the fx can be applied both ways i know this... wanted to know the dif between the two... was looking for a mature answer, not oh thats a newbie ques... ha ha, and people take the time to talk bs, but not answer a simple question... ???

Originally Posted by JROKER

is adding the fx channel then the reverb the rite way, so i can leave the original vocal preserved... i hope someone can understand that... thanks

If you don't know the answer to that question above... "Is this the 'right' way" ... then you missed a step somewhere in your development. You can either take that advice and learn about routing and busses and FX from the beginning, so that you understand it at a conceptual level, or maybe just do it both ways and hear/see what the differences are for yourself?

What makes you think either way is the "wrong" way?

As many people here will tell you there is no "right way" for everything, only the way you choose to use to get where you need to go. I use inserts and sends for verbs depending on what I'm doing and why. The difference is... one is a send and the other is an insert.

So... don't take it personal. That is a mature answer as was my last. You obviously are too immature and sensitive to realize that. The "Dummies" books are GREAT books, but I guess they don't fit with the large hip-hop ego and the fast food plan to making dope hits.

[JROKER]

none taken lawrence, thnx for ur insight...