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| Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2009
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| using saturation/warmer plugins? hows it going gs id just like to know where in your vocal plugin chain you guys are applying ur psp vintage warmers colortones or tapeheads? ive never used saturation plugins because i normally track vocals with a ua la 610 and it give me all the 'warmth' or tube feel i need. at my cousins house hes using a rane ms1b and a sp b1 its definitly got a good clean sound but maybe too clean at times. we have the gain on the PA peaking around -18 dbs i assume this is correct. ive recently downloaded voxegon tube amp a free plugin suggested to me and im trying to apply it to my chain to give my vocals more of a tube feel or warmth. would i apply this plug as a bus? or directly to the vocal track? where along the line should i apply it? any information helps in advance. ps. ive heard its good to use these kinds of plug with drum tracks too. if so, do i use it in the same fashion?
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The City Of Brotherly Love And Sisterly Affection
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I prefer the URS saturation plug in as well as the MC DSP Analog Channel.
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| Gear addict Join Date: May 2009
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| i always apply at th begining then eq etc, I say experiment different combinations and see what u prefer. |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mannheim/Germany
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| The nomad factory tape/tube warmer works quite well too ...
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| Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2009
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| I like the Colortone, or the PSP MixSaturation2 in combination with the MixPressor2, with less compression.. Or the Voxengo Saturation PlugIn... |
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| Lives for gear | I use them mostly on drums. Good stuff
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| Gear maniac Join Date: May 2008
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The City Of Brotherly Love And Sisterly Affection
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| Quote:
The same especially applies to the 2 bus. But hey,whatever floats your boat.
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| Lives for gear | i use massey tapehead medium AU (free) if i want to warm, and the logic bitcrusher when i want a more aggressive sound (10 or 12 bit, leave the downsampling, and drive input to taste). this also give some noise, which is often nice. you need to be careful to what the tapehead does to teh very highs and low mids though. a lot of the time i want to retain the clarity in the highs, but just get some distortion, so it's not quite perfect for everything these days i use vintage warmer as a 'coloured' limiter instead of using it for actual flavour... i've gone off colourtone pro... a lot of the time i put it on and think 'oh that sounds nice', but then later struggle with a problem and realise it's the colourtone. also, as the impulses aren't matched volume wise, a lot of the time it's hard to gauge if you're really hearing any improvment when the volume is jumping all over the place. and the 'warmth' just adds a flabbiness and muddiness that i don't like... i use these things wherever they sound best, but often at the end for the reason described above. if i get in some 'cold' sample based stuff in to mix, i'll put it at the beginning to 'pretend' that it's coming off a tape real... the massey is good for this cheers
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| Lives for gear | i use a few different ones: massey tapehead (rarely) mcdsp ac 1 -> use it for soft limiting mcdsp ac 2 -> tape sat. on a buss once in a great while, but mainly i use it to tame 808's a lot to clear up some headroom and makes them come out on small speakers better DuY Valve (has presets for different instruments) -> i use the male vox preset a lot on my vox.
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2007
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| URS sat maybe on the buss but rarely use it these days, it sometimes gets some love on the snare. If i use the waves SSL buss on the main 2 out i will often put the EMI TG Mastering EQs before hand just to boost up the bottom therefore compensating the tug of war effect that can be found with the SSL Buss Comp, it can sometimes suck out a lot of bottom end. |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2007
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| if you are looking to emulate warmth from a pre, apply your saturation of choice at the beginning of the chain. Tape works just as Philly has stated. Experimentation is always important though. |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2009
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| thanks alot you guys for the informative responses. so, i take it where to apply the plug is subjective but if i wana emulate PA warmth i would place it at the beginning of the chain and to emulate tape saturation place it at the end of the chain.
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The City Of Brotherly Love And Sisterly Affection
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The Motor City pre set works great for this type of thing.
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| Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2008
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| So would a SSL plug go after the preamp plug and before the tape plug? |
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| Gear Head Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Athens, Ga.
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| So....to experiment....I put the URS Saturation plug on every channel of a 16 track session. I put it on the first insert, put it on the 30ips setting, and turned it up to 100% Saturation. I put one on every buss, but put it on the British Transformer Setting, and turned it up to 100%. On the Master Buss I put one more on the 30ips setting, and again turned it up to 100%. I then started bringing up faders and mixed "into it". I thought it sounded fantastic. Added a softness, a depth, and warmth I had not experienced before. I have used the plug more sparse previously, but never like it that much. This seems to be an extreme approach, but i truly thought it was fabulous, and the high end attenuation was subtle, but just right. And any distortion that occurred was really pleasant. Anyone else try this? if not, do so....you may like it.
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The City Of Brotherly Love And Sisterly Affection
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| Gear Head Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Athens, Ga.
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| i tried just that as well, but its really the sum of all the layers of saturation that sounded best to me. not just louder, but better.
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| Gear nut Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: jefferson city, mo
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| ...and how much CPU did that take up before you added anything else? ![]() |
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| | #21 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006
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| If it's on a channel i apply it first, that's how multitrack tape works, it hits the console inputs then you manipulate the sound with eq/comp etc , if it's on the master it goes last because that how you hit tape in your final stage ....YMMV |
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