Song/hits made with Reason and Fruity Loops

[JSpark]

These have become widely used tools in the music industry. Of the two, so far I have used Reason, but many really good producers I know secretly use Fruity Loops.

I'm trying to figure out which recognizeable beats/songs out there have been made with Reason and which ones with Fruity loops. Anyone care to pipe in?

( P.S I also use MPC, ASR, and Logic - so not trying to turn this into a DAW bashing thread)

[viewingstuff]

laffy taffy(fruity loops)
crank that(also fl but was said to have been remade before release)
girl (destiny's child, also fl)

[KRStudio]

Reason gets used quite often in movie scores and in music production. FL studio also has some great synth sounds especially for sound scapes and texture. I don't think industry guys are using either one for the rhythm/beat part of the song as much as for textures and melody.

[Chris Lago]

Originally Posted by JSpark

These have become widely used tools in the music industry. Of the two, so far I have used Reason, but many really good producers I know secretly use Fruity Loops.

I'm trying to figure out which recognizeable beats/songs out there have been made with Reason and which ones with Fruity loops. Anyone care to pipe in?

( P.S I also use MPC, ASR, and Logic - so not trying to turn this into a DAW bashing thread)

A Daw doesn't have a sound, only a producer and an artist does... Duh! You can't actually listen to a song and say, oh of course, this was done in FL! lol, your thread is really silly, since a lot of producer use a lot of different tool and different daws. It's not the type of daw that is important, it's how you use it!.

[JSpark]

Originally Posted by chrislago

your thread is really silly

Then stay out of it my dude. We won't miss you!

[mgthefuture]

Originally Posted by chrislago

You can't actually listen to a song and say, oh of course, this was done in FL!

I can and have.

And honestly I prefer the "sound" of ableton live VS FL studio.
The only reason i continue to use FL is due to workflow.

And i've done joints in reason that came out bangin without any tweaks...and still can't find that low end in FL.

And when kids come through with their cds and mixtapes..i ask who made what and did they use ____. and im usually always right.

Even with drum machines.

I think ill be getting a mpc or sp soon just for THAT sound...

But by no means do you NEED a certain daw or sound to make GOOD music.

But one may be able to detect and associate passively when it comes to what produces what kind of "presence"

[TsunboRecords]

Originally Posted by JSpark

Then stay out of it my dude. We won't miss you!

I've only been around those woods for about a week and all I see is people bagging Chris! lol

I use, live and breath FL studio...been doing so for the last 7-8 years now... Tried a lot of other DAWs like Reason, Logic et al...but nothing comes close to the ease of use of FL Studio.

Doesn't Souljah Boy use FL Studio too?!?

[Lrmusic]

FL is just as capable as any other DAW, but most producers won't use it because of a combination of one or more of the following factors a.) stigma - avoiding the hassle of looking amateurish or having to explain yourself b.) it's not what they "grew up" on c.) if everyone else in the industry is using PT/logic or whatever, adopting PT/logic allows you to swap session files. d.) they don't know how good FL is (and will never find out or care) because they are content with their current setup and have no reason to investigate other DAWs, especially one with an amateurish rep (I got this info from reading pretty much every GS thread over 150 posts).

So conceivably, many many "ITB hits" could have been made on FL without any noticeable drop off in quality, but weren't for these reasons. The fact that most hits are made with "big dog daws" is a relationship of correlation, not causality.

On a side note: Jspark, if it was made in FL but mixed in PT or logic, would you still consider it as being "made in FL"?

[Lrmusic]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

And when kids come through with their cds and mixtapes..i ask who made what and did they use ____. and im usually always right.

Probably just correlation... an individual just using FL is more likely to be worse at mixing and arranging than someone using PTLE/cubase/logic etc. Investing more $ in PTLE/cubase correlates with investing more $ in higher end vsts and more time in learning your craft, whereas the FL user is more likely to be a dabbler. In addition, people who are "serious" are also more likely to adopt one of the "big dog" Daws out of the misconception that FL is inherently inferior.

[TsunboRecords]

Originally Posted by Lrmusic

Probably just correlation... an individual just using FL is more likely to be worse at mixing and arranging than someone using PTLE/cubase/logic etc. Investing more $ in PTLE/cubase correlates with investing more $ in higher end vsts and more time in learning your craft, whereas the FL user is more likely to be a dabbler. In addition, people who are "serious" are also more likely to adopt one of the "big dog" Daws out of the misconception that FL is inherently inferior.

I'd say you hit the nail on the head right there.

I have been using FL Studio for so long now, I have no desire/need to change really. I know a lot of people that started with version 3 and still use it to this day!

Myself, I had to move up. I now have V9 and would not look back. The main thing in FL Studio that is not in other DAWs is the fantastic sample browser. Logic tried to copy it, but they still have not got it right!

I'd say FL Studio, with a couple of high end plugins, can sound as good or better than most other DAWs out there!

It's not the software...but the man/woman behind it!

[Raider]

Owl City - Fireflies

Currently at #2 with a bullet.

[KevWest]

a lot of people have made hits with both. from what i hear polow da don swears by fruity loops

[JanZoo]

With FL you can't get that big sound, you kno what I mean the big sound, for example I was working on my bass drum and couldn't get that big boom, you know I couldn't get the boom...Yeah

[rhodesp04]

yes hits have been made with both (for all the haters lol) so let's see here:

all of 9th wonder's early productions including "Threat" (Jay-Z "Black Album) -> now he's on the mpc 2500 though

all of dj khalil's recent productions including "Kinda Like a Big Deal" (current Clipse single) done in Reason. He often gets musicians to play into PT then he chops it up in Recycle and then transfers to Reason

all of dj babu's recent productions done in Reason

many of DJ Toomp's productions including TI "What You Know" and Kanye West "Big Brother" done in Reason

other professional fl users: Power Users

whatever software / hardware you can think of has been used for hits. quit being biased about a particular piece.

[Chris Lago]

Originally Posted by rhodesp04

whatever software / hardware you can think of has been used for hits. quit being biased about a particular piece.

Exactly, and if you can't hear the low-end, it's possibly because of a lack of proper DA converter, lack of proper mixing skills and lack of talent at producing. I would never blame a DAW for Helping/Ruining my sound. At the end of the day, I'm the only reason why the songs are good or bad, not the daw.

Tons of electro-house songs are done in FL, and the songs are bass heavy, present, punchy. It's really how you manipulate your work and how you use OTB and ITB tools.

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

I can and have.

And honestly I prefer the "sound" of ableton live VS FL studio.
The only reason i continue to use FL is due to workflow.

And i've done joints in reason that came out bangin without any tweaks...and still can't find that low end in FL.

And when kids come through with their cds and mixtapes..i ask who made what and did they use ____. and im usually always right.

Even with drum machines.

I think ill be getting a mpc or sp soon just for THAT sound...

But by no means do you NEED a certain daw or sound to make GOOD music.

But one may be able to detect and associate passively when it comes to what produces what kind of "presence"

That's impossible... A DAW doesn't affect the quality of the sound, only the workflow.

[Llitsor]

Originally Posted by JSpark

Then stay out of it my dude. We won't miss you!

lol! thumbsup

Anyway, for Reason at least, this might fill you in a bit:
Propellerhead Software Propellerhead Software - Artist Stories

[beanface]

Originally Posted by chrislago

A Daw doesn't have a sound, only a producer and an artist does... Duh! You can't actually listen to a song and say, oh of course, this was done in FL! lol, your thread is really silly, since a lot of producer use a lot of different tool and different daws. It's not the type of daw that is important, it's how you use it!.

Well, one might argue that different summing engines sound different. I use Sequoia 10 and when summing stereo stems at unity gain between Seq & PT7, Logic 8 & Tracktion 3, the blind tests have pointed to Sequoia having a slightly better sound, regardless of what the nullers claim. The producer, artist etc obviously has the most important impact, but I disagree that all DAW's sound the same.

[Chris Lago]

Originally Posted by beanface

Well, one might argue that different summing engines sound different. I use Sequoia 10 and when summing stereo stems at unity gain between Seq & PT7, Logic 8 & Tracktion 3, the blind tests have pointed to Sequoia having a slightly better sound, regardless of what the nullers claim. The producer, artist etc obviously has the most important impact, but I disagree that all DAW's sound the same.

I use Sequoia for mastering and I don't notice any difference between Sequoia and Wavelab so. I'm positive that It's in your head... Check out tons of thread about different Daws, you'll see. The Tests are Null. Anyway, I don't feel like arguing anymore, just use what you think is best!

By the way, a lot of people hate me here because I tend to take the unpopular approach, which is ok, I'm not here to agree just because everyone does.

I have worked in so many Daws, and I haven't heard a difference in sound, other than a difference between crappy/good songs.

[El Nino]

Personally, I am a Reason user when it comes to anything non-organic. However, I still run all Reason sounds into a DAW (PT8, Live), UAD plugs, and out of a signature series BLA 002. FL Studio alone might not get you BIG sounds BUT, it will offer you a simple way of writing beats. There are plenty of pros using FL somehow in their set up. Did Soulja Boy write a beat in FL Studio? Yes. Did it get mixed in FL Studio? No.

I know there is topic for MP3's but you can't deny a great example: I'm currently recording & producing 10 songs for an artist that LOVES the workflow in FL Studio . However, the sounds? . I haven't replaced anything but the vocal as of yet. Simply re-mixed with different gear & different ear. Although, I have to be honest, I'm still very tempted to replace the kick and vocoder if time allows.

FINAL GOAL rough 11-6-09
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1583789/FINAL%20GOAL%202.mp3

FINAL GOAL original
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1583789/Final%20Goal.mp3

[Lrmusic]

Originally Posted by El Nino

FINAL GOAL rough 11-6-09
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1583789/FINAL%20GOAL%202.mp3

FINAL GOAL original
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1583789/Final%20Goal.mp3

Sickkkkk stuff; If the vocoder is referring to the synth in the chorus that sounds all complex and is panned C, that's one of the best things I've ever heard.

[Chris Lago]

Originally Posted by El Nino

Personally, I am a Reason user when it comes to anything non-organic. However, I still run all Reason sounds into a DAW (PT8, Live), UAD plugs, and out of a signature series BLA 002. FL Studio alone might not get you BIG sounds BUT, it will offer you a simple way of writing beats. There are plenty of pros using FL somehow in their set up. Did Soulja Boy write a beat in FL Studio? Yes. Did it get mixed in FL Studio? No.

I know there is topic for MP3's but you can't deny a great example: I'm currently recording & producing 10 songs for an artist that LOVES the workflow in FL Studio . However, the sounds? . I haven't replaced anything but the vocal as of yet. Simply re-mixed with different gear & different ear. Although, I have to be honest, I'm still very tempted to replace the kick and vocoder if time allows.

FINAL GOAL rough 11-6-09
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1583789/FINAL%20GOAL%202.mp3

FINAL GOAL original
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1583789/Final%20Goal.mp3

Exactly, I produce in FL, I mix in another Daw.

[lospat123]

its always the case as to whos behind the gear. fl is only a daw , same as reason, cubase and all the others. just something u sequence things in, record stuff and run plugins on and manipulate sounds that way.
here is good example im not realy to much familiar with cubase the other night me and my friend was doing and track and we did it in cubase , what otherwise was very easy todo in fl studio takes forever in cubase. i then said so why the use of doing things that way just to say i used cubase? here is a tip if someone asks u what u use, just say im using protools and logic
back in the old days say 70s or 80s, people did not have what we have. so howcome that music sounded so good? cause in actaul fact those guys where true musicians, now that has been replaced by technology, making it easier for anyone to slap together a track. i still say this no program , no synth makes the music u do, u choose everything urself in the end. u can give the best producers almost nothing and they will get the job done, then u get guys who have all the best synths and they sound like garbage. gear helps sure, it inspires u etc, but i rather take all the talent in the world compared to all the gear in the world.

[CRACKPIPE]

I'm proud of the gear I use and Reason is part of the arsenal but what I use doesn't define my sound. Confine me to a couple of cassette recorders and I'll be making beats in no time.

I don't even want to know what people use. I still like to enjoy music as a listener and not analyze the shit out of it. Just hear the song for what it was intended for, to be enjoyed. lol

[El Nino]

Originally Posted by chrislago

Exactly, I produce in FL, I mix in another Daw.

There's no other way around it Chris. People may want to believe FL Studio gives birth to tracks that SOUND like "Crank That" but, it doesn't really work like that.

It simply allows for beats & synths to be easily attained very quickly. To an engineer, the sounds leave a lot to be desired - usually requiring a lot of extra EQ and/or compression in a mix.

[Chris Lago]

And the trick is to bounce with a Dedicated DA.

[m.L.I.N.K.]

Originally Posted by chrislago

I use Sequoia for mastering and I don't notice any difference between Sequoia and Wavelab so. I'm positive that It's in your head... Check out tons of thread about different Daws, you'll see. The Tests are Null. Anyway, I don't feel like arguing anymore, just use what you think is best!

By the way, a lot of people hate me here because I tend to take the unpopular approach, which is ok, I'm not here to agree just because everyone does.

I have worked in so many Daws, and I haven't heard a difference in sound, other than a difference between crappy/good songs.

#1 Get it right, no one hates on you. Chris Lago hates on anything and everyone who is successful or who has a wiser oppinion than his, so please don't flatter yourself. People simply just state the truth about who Chris Lago is NOT. Just because you post on here more than anyone doesn't make you credable, it actually discredits you entirely. And again, you're just restating what has already been said here before by established pro's, you must really impress your clients with all of your GS forum talk, don't forget to tell your clients to look you up on Gearslutz.com, so they can see where you fit in.

Hit songs are made in both FL and Reason. You can get that big sound in either one, you just have to know what you're doing. Even if the production is created in FL or Reason, almost always professional mixing won't be completed in FL or Reason. Pro's are using whatever works. I have taken sounds from my MPC or ASR-X and used them in FL and Reason and the sound is the same low end high end it's all the same sound.

[Lrmusic]

[El Nino]

+1 on Reason 4. Thor is great! Redrum also! Scream is great on Synths and Dr. rex!

In the same breath........ This is an engineering forum. It's for people that do analyze sound. What on earth would make you think that I don't listen to music as "a listener" fuuck. I'm a song writer first & engineer second. Gear doesn't really define you but, it sets your overall ceiling. If you like what you achieve in Reason or FL, good for you. Your doing something right with the gear you've got. What converters are you using? Are you going OTB into analog gear? What's your favorite ITB EQ? Got any tricks you want to reveal? Not picking sides here but, when it comes down to audio quality, Chris is right. So you guys don't love each other - Big deal. At least he was being honest. I came on here to slut out not be vague about audio.

But, here, let's be vague one more time................

It's so much fun..................

Ready................................

I like Reason 4.

WOW!

Here, let's do it again..............

Soulja Boy wrote the beat for "Crank That" in FL.

HOLY LORD!

[beanface]

Originally Posted by chrislago

I use Sequoia for mastering and I don't notice any difference between Sequoia and Wavelab so. I'm positive that It's in your head... Check out tons of thread about different Daws, you'll see. The Tests are Null. Anyway, I don't feel like arguing anymore, just use what you think is best!

By the way, a lot of people hate me here because I tend to take the unpopular approach, which is ok, I'm not here to agree just because everyone does.

I have worked in so many Daws, and I haven't heard a difference in sound, other than a difference between crappy/good songs.

Im using Sequoia 10, You're using 7.22 by any chance? BTW BK and other credible mastering engineers have reported differences also, in simillar blind tests. BTW Wavelab has an excellent sound engine.

Also are you running cracked software? I cant imagine you'd legitimately buy Sequoia, Wavelab & others - seeing as the sound and feature sets are very simillar. Thats alot of unnecessary expenses - this money could have been spent in other more worthwhile areas. If you really needed DDP you could have just used Sonoris et al, in conjunction with WL. A legit business thinks VERY carfully about purchasing software for numerous reasons. Spose you've 'bought' Saw too?

[JSpark]

Originally Posted by Lrmusic

On a side note: Jspark, if it was made in FL but mixed in PT or logic, would you still consider it as being "made in FL"?

But of course. No song out in was ever mixed 100% in Reason or Fruity loops.