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#121 | | Gear nut
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Heres my latest mix (like the 12th) Are we ever done?
Its called "Persevere" per⋅se⋅ver⋅ance  Pronunciation [pur-s uh- veer- uh ns] –noun
1.steady persistence in a course of action, a purpose, a state, etc., esp. in spite of difficulties, obstacles, or discouragement.
2. Theology. continuance in a state of grace to the end, leading to eternal salvation.
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15th August 2009
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#122 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by TDT Music Group  Heres my latest mix (like the 12th) Are we ever done?
Its called "Persevere" per⋅se⋅ver⋅ance Pronunciation [pur-s uh- veer- uhns] –noun
1.steady persistence in a course of action, a purpose, a state, etc., esp. in spite of difficulties, obstacles, or discouragement.
2. Theology. continuance in a state of grace to the end, leading to eternal salvation. | Honestly, the mix is not so great. But I was rocking to the joint. You should really spend some time making this sound better; ie: cleaner, tame the low end, and bring out the presence in just about every voice. The lyrics could use some work, but more than that the doubles need to be tightened.
PM me if you want me to take a crack at mixing it. (Pro bono. All my work for HIS KINGDOM is free!  ) PWG
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#123 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by MikeyMike Great song Trell just please take out those 808 snares. Those snares date the track and puts you in a basket. Find some other ways to introduce percussion elements into the mix.  | Thanks...I would but the group I did the song for like that sorta thing. (they're half rnb, half hip hop) Gotta keep within your client's flavor, right?
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#124 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by Trell Blaze Thanks...I would but the group I did the song for like that sorta thing. (they're half rnb, half hip hop) Gotta keep within your client's flavor, right? | Hmmm, for some reason a lot of producers use those 808 snares because it the easiest thing to grab to add dimension to a track but when you do you make it a "Southern Thang" you know. I mean, the track is great but you put yourself in the bandwagon when you use those snares. It doesn't necessarily kill the track but it takes away from the uniqueness in which you have to have in order to break out in todays music scene. There are many percussion sounds, breaks, and frills you can use to tidy up the track and keep it moving. | |
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#125 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by MikeyMike Hmmm, for some reason a lot of producers use those 808 snares because it the easiest thing to grab to add dimension to a track but when you do you make it a "Southern Thang" you know. I mean, the track is great but you put yourself in the bandwagon when you use those snares. It doesn't necessarily kill the track but it takes away from the uniqueness in which you have to have to break out in todays music scene. | I hear what you're saying and I agree. But this IS a hip hop (and rnb) group in Dallas, TX...where 808 kicks/snares live. My thought process when programing the beat was to make it as ghetto-southern as possible while still keeping my own melodic style. The only way I could do that in this case was to add the 808 kick and snare. Take them away and you take away the "Southerness".
Also keep in mind that this is just one song. Most of my stuff gets compared to the Underdogs. Honestly I don't think I'm even CLOSE to THAT good but I think people say that because of the way I program my basses (lots of well planned slides).
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#126 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Also, the clap you use could take a cut of about -5 between 1.6 and 2.5 Khz region. This will help to set it back in the mix a little more. It's too prominent as on right now probably do the the limiter as they have the tendency to make the main clap or snare poke out too much in the mix. | |
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#127 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by Trell Blaze I hear what you're saying and I agree. But this IS a hip hop (and rnb) group in Dallas, TX...where 808 kicks/snares live. My thought process when programing the beat was to make it as ghetto-southern as possible while still keeping my own melodic style. The only way I could do that in this case was to add the 808 kick and snare. Take them away and you take away the "Southerness".
Also keep in mind that this is just one song. Most of my stuff gets compared to the Underdogs. Honestly I don't think I'm even CLOSE to THAT good but I think people say that because of the way I program my basses (lots of well planned slides). | Actually, taking away the "Southernness" of a track isn't a bad thing. You want your music to be "Universal" always. You don't want somebody to say, aww shyt, them guys must be from the south when listening to your tracks. You want everybody from every region to enjoy your music and not put a label on it. | |
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#128 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by MikeyMike Actually, taking away the "Southernness" of a track isn't a bad thing. You want your music to be "Universal" always. You don't want somebody to say, aww shyt, them guys must be from the south when listening to your tracks. You want everybody from every region to enjoy your music and not put a label on it. | True, but again...I have clients to please... They take a LOT of my advise and listen to much of what I say but at the end of the day, if they're not satisfied with the song then...well...u know...
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#129 | | Gear nut
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What up GS...This is my latest production...did everythang but the rapping, and singing...Just thought I'd run it by the best ears on the net...basically, Is this ready for the radio...appreciate the help...x...
GSlicCK
"We Can Get It On"
produced by: XpLiziT We Can Get It On.mp3 | |
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#130 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by Trell Blaze True, but again...I have clients to please... They take a LOT of my advise and listen to much of what I say but at the end of the day, if they're not satisfied with the song then...well...u know... | Trust me, I know how it is. You catch hell trying to tell a bunch of hard-headed, overly confident artist/producers/beatmakers things like this. Only if they knew how important the little thing are like taking out a particular sound or adding a particular element. The difference could be going wood and going platinum or winning a foosball table to winning a Grammy. Anyways, nice song.
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#131 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by Xplizit What up GS...This is my latest production...did everythang but the rapping, and singing...Just thought I'd run it by the best ears on the net...basically, Is this ready for the radio...appreciate the help...x...
GSlicCK
"We Can Get It On"
produced by: XpLiziT Attachment 132159 | Ahhh, I love it, love it, love it. You see, this is what the music industry needs. New, fresh, raw, material. You remind me of Kid Rock/Insert a Rapper?Sugar Ray type of deal. This song is gonna be big. Don't ask me how I know I just do. I wouldn't buy it though and I am very, very picky when it comes to taste. Make sure you get this into the hands of important industry people. Great song, great structure, and I like the fact that you didn't try to make the song so clinical. You gotta hit that will cross genres and this method always work. | |
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#132 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Oh, Xzibit, make sure you layer the chorus of the girl singing with a higher pitched vocal. It need's to be double maybe even triple stacked. Whatever sounds better. Just make sure you put something in the upper register on her vocals. | |
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#133 | | Gear nut
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thank you...I have GS to thank for helping me...this forum has really helped me learn alot and cravin more...x...
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#134 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Xplizit What up GS...This is my latest production...did everythang but the rapping, and singing...Just thought I'd run it by the best ears on the net...basically, Is this ready for the radio...appreciate the help...x...
GSlicCK
"We Can Get It On"
produced by: XpLiziT Attachment 132159 | HOT!
And this aint even my style of music...
I would like to hear the female hook turned up JUST A TAD...and I mean an itty bitty tad...but that's just me. It definately doesn't kill the song where it's at. I like the vocalist choice for this song. What's she look like?  | |
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#135 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by Trell Blaze HOT!
And this aint even my style of music...
I would like to hear the female hook turned up JUST A TAD...and I mean an itty bitty tad...but that's just me. It definately doesn't kill the song where it's at. I like the vocalist choice for this song. What's she look like? | I see we agree. I can see myself shooting.........pool and chillin with my colleagues at the pub with this song playing and everybody having a great time.
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#136 | | Gear nut
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Oh, Xzibit, make sure you layer the chorus of the girl singing with a higher pitched vocal. It need's to be double maybe even triple stacked. Whatever sounds better. Just make sure you put something in the upper register on her vocals. | Actually, I do have 2 doubles of the higher octave...I set it very low in the mix...So I should definitely bring them more out then...thanx for the tip...Also, I was concerned with the bridge section Female vocal...I made 2 copies of the Main vocal center, then panned them hard left and right....the copies have alot phasing going on, but i kind of liked the contrast...any thoughts?...should i go ahead and do some delay to separate them or do you think it works?...x...
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#137 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by Xplizit Actually, I do have 2 doubles of the higher octave...I set it very low in the mix...So I should definitely bring them more out then...thanx for the tip...Also, I was concerned with the bridge section Female vocal...I made 2 copies of the Main vocal center, then panned them hard left and right....the copies have alot phasing going on, but i kind of liked the contrast...any thoughts?...should i go ahead and do some delay to separate them or do you think it works?...x... | Don't over do it but her vocals could use more delay, reverb, and more defined panning at certain parts but don't forget that this song is great and can go as is. Again, don't stop until you get this song heard by major players in the industry.  | |
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#138 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Xplizit Actually, I do have 2 doubles of the higher octave...I set it very low in the mix...So I should definitely bring them more out then...thanx for the tip...Also, I was concerned with the bridge section Female vocal...I made 2 copies of the Main vocal center, then panned them hard left and right....the copies have alot phasing going on, but i kind of liked the contrast...any thoughts?...should i go ahead and do some delay to separate them or do you think it works?...x... | Yea I was gonna say I could hear the higher octave low in the mix. I actually like it there. Obviously different ppl are gonna think different on it but all that matters is that they like it.
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#140 | | Gear nut
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Don't over do it but her vocals could use more delay, reverb, and more defined panning at certain parts but don't forget that this song is great and can go as is. Again, don't stop until you get this song heard by major players in the industry. | yea, the closer I got 2 tightening the mix up, the more dry she was sounding...just wanted to make sure it wasn't jus me...x...
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#141 | | Gear nut
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Originally Posted by PeeWeeGee Honestly, the mix is not so great. But I was rocking to the joint. You should really spend some time making this sound better; ie: cleaner, tame the low end, and bring out the presence in just about every voice. The lyrics could use some work, but more than that the doubles need to be tightened.
PM me if you want me to take a crack at mixing it. (Pro bono. All my work for HIS KINGDOM is free! ) PWG | Thanks for the feedback PeeWee, it's back to the lab. How did you listen to the track: ie headphones-monitors-surround sound etc? I can agree with and know how to go back and address those issues but I don't think the low end is out of control. Also what did you mean by the lyrics need work and do the doubles need to be tighter with each other or tighter with the lead?
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#142 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by talontsiawd I was wondering if sombody could give me some feedback on the mix on this track. I just got new monitors and wanted oppinions. It is just a beat obviously. | The mix is good but it's only a beat so it really doesn't matter.
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#143 | | Lives for gear
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| Old stuff but check it out
I did this song back in 2004 with Freestyle of the Arsonists, the beat and the mix is mine.
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#144 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by MikeyMike The mix is good but it's only a beat so it really doesn't matter. | Thanks for the time. I think it pretty important to get a decent mix on beats though so you can just start a project and work out the full mix later, or atleast engineers tend to complain when the need a session file just for vocal tracking.
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#145 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Jonkr | Shouldn't you post them WITHOUT the widener/limiter then? Both of these things will GREATLY effect the mix itself. There's no way you'd possibly get an accurate opinion.
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#147 | | Gear nut
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Originally Posted by Jonkr | I have nothing- The mix is good, the sounds are too polished for my taste as everything sounds on the sterile side. I like gritty sounds I guess. The vocals arent too low, they dont have much power behind them tho, the rapper with his voice and delivery style would probably benefit from having some more things going on vocally during the song to fill the track out.
Tropicana- This one came in a lil bit stronger beatwise and the mix had the same feel to it as the 1st just a lil bit louder, The beat is real nice with some well place percussion hits. The downside would be the rapper and his voice, Eightball's flow would be good for this song. The hook is not strong at all, I can hear a female singing some lines to go with the melody line that you have (wah guitar?) instead of him saying that over and over.
To me and my limited understanding of mastering, you want the mix to sound as best as it can before mastering so that the ME only enhances what you have. I think the mixes need to be fatter. Maybe it is because you have left so much headroom as I have my laptop turned all the way up and I'm listenin on headphones and its not loud at all.
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#148 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Jonkr |
Like you said in your orginal post, the vocals are too low. The beat mixes are on point...thought I'd like to hear a little more bottom in Tropicana.
The vocals: the main problem, to me, is that they're kind of muffled and dark. Sounds like the need a slight cut from around 350hz to 400hz. I would also suggest a boost in the presence range...somwhere between 4000 - 5000khz. Maybe a little high shelf boost for sparkle and to bring out some of the sibliance. If you clean up the EQ you can probably get away with the level being that low.
Did you make the beats? They're nice...I really like the Tropicana one.
Tell us what you recorded/mixed on. What mics...amps...ect?
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#149 | | Gear maniac
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Originally Posted by TDT Music Group I have nothing- The mix is good, the sounds are too polished for my taste as everything sounds on the sterile side. I like gritty sounds I guess. The vocals arent too low, they dont have much power behind them tho, the rapper with his voice and delivery style would probably benefit from having some more things going on vocally during the song to fill the track out.
Tropicana- This one came in a lil bit stronger beatwise and the mix had the same feel to it as the 1st just a lil bit louder, The beat is real nice with some well place percussion hits. The downside would be the rapper and his voice, Eightball's flow would be good for this song. The hook is not strong at all, I can hear a female singing some lines to go with the melody line that you have (wah guitar?) instead of him saying that over and over.
To me and my limited understanding of mastering, you want the mix to sound as best as it can before mastering so that the ME only enhances what you have. I think the mixes need to be fatter. Maybe it is because you have left so much headroom as I have my laptop turned all the way up and I'm listenin on headphones and its not loud at all. | Thanks for the feedback bro... I feel the same way about "I Have Nothing". I need to do something to beef his vocals up a little. I'll experiment.
And its funny you said you would like a singer on Tropicana. The artist actually wanted to have someone singing on it but we never got around to get someone. I guess I'll make it a priority to get someone now.
About the loudness... I had posted the mixes with stereo wideners and limiters on the master bus but Trell asked me to take them off so you guys could hear the true mix, so thats why its low. I like to leave about 6db headroom for mastering... Maybe I'll simply start normalizing before I post mixes on here. Anyway, thanks for the feedback... much appreciated
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#150 | | Lives for gear
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Just cuz I had some extra time I decided to "master" one of your tracks just to see how it would turn out. Now let me say this:
1. I can't stress this one enough...I am NOT NOT NOT a mastering engineer. Period. I would NEVER do as good a job as a well qualified M.E. so don't expect this master to be useable.
2. I had to convert an mp3 > .wav > mp3 so...yea a lot of sonic butterflies were killed in the process. A moment of silence for those who died...
3. Just wanted to give you a very rough idea of what the track might sound like after a bit of treatment.
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