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12th August 2005, 06:25 PM
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 | hiphop vocal chain(whats yours) just wanted to see what some of you other other hiphop heads are you using. my new chain is: Sony c800G or akg c12 > Chandler limited ltd-1 > distressor or Api 512,525,550 lunchbox > protools HD3 with 192I/o
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12th August 2005, 06:31 PM
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| AKG 414 or C12VR into Avalon 737SP or Neve VX board pre with a touch of VCA compressor. No EQ except for hi pass around 80HZ. I like to use OMNI if I can get away with it.
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12th August 2005, 06:34 PM
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12th August 2005, 06:35 PM
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| Sony C800G to Avalon AD2022 to PTools 192i/o No compressor yet, any advices are welcome... |
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12th August 2005, 06:52 PM
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| Soundelux U195 into a langevin Dual mono mic pre into a fatso into Lavry Blue. I run synths and samples into the synth inputs ( not DI and Not line) of the DMMP with some shelving and then into the fatso with some warmth tranny compression and then into the Lavry blue, usually with both the soft limiter and analog sinulator on. sounds great.
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12th August 2005, 07:07 PM
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12th August 2005, 07:18 PM
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i might try omni with some of my other mics.. we still have a k2 and 414 edit: just tried the k2 in omni.. i've never used it in omni b4 today. its smoother... looking at the k2 chart the mic doesn't have as many bumps in omni vs cardioid. the vocals don't have as much siblance either... wow... if i didn't have a good booth it would probably sound like  but since my booth sound good i have a overall good sound... i'ma keep messing with it... try omni on the next artist i produce and see if they say anything different like it sounds different or smoother, better whatever...i didn't even use eq to make the vocals sound good like usual. just flat in with a rvox on the ch
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12th August 2005, 09:06 PM
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| m147 > 1073 > distressor > rosetta 200. |
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12th August 2005, 09:10 PM
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 | How does the K2 sound overall? Right now I use either a Blue Mouse, Adk Vienna Edition, or a secret weapon mic into a neve 31105 or Neotek Elite pre into my Motu HD192. I don't compress while recording. |
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12th August 2005, 09:44 PM
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| SM57 > Aurora Audio GTQ2mkIII..... |
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12th August 2005, 10:03 PM
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| 414 -> ISA430 -> C2 -> Apogee -> 002R I really want to pick up that C800G or the Korby Kat4 with C800 head. The GTQ2 is also on my list of must buys. Tony...57? Not that is dosen't work but DAMNNNNN! You got a $3k mic pre...why SM57 over a condensor? Just curious...certainly not trying to knock you.  |
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12th August 2005, 10:07 PM
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| U87 -> 737 (pre only) -> Tube Tech comp also use C800g -> focusrite 430 |
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12th August 2005, 10:11 PM
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I have always thought that moving a vocalist AWAY from a mic makes it sound more "present" and "bigger", but it's usually a battle to convince the artist of that, especially when the producer keeps saying "get right up on the mic". Many large-capsule condenser mics were designed to mic sources that were FEET away rather than inches, according to an interview with Al Schmit that I read years ago. I have been using omni and backing up vocalists since then! YMMV
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12th August 2005, 10:18 PM
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People like to knock the 57. But, it really is a good mic when paired with the right preamp (plus its $75). In my situation, I have no vocal booth and the 57 sounds better than my C800G did. I can bump the speakers and let the artist just sit down and relax or jump around all over the place and still get a great recording. | |
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12th August 2005, 10:24 PM
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| Other mics which I like for hip hop.... Shure SM7 Beta 58 EV RE20 Neumann U87 Soundelux U195, or U99 (used this into an API 512 for a very well known rapper) All of these mics are under $2500 (most are under $500), and will do the job and sound great through the right pre.. |
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12th August 2005, 11:56 PM
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| Don't get me wrong man...I wasne't trying to knock you or the 57. It just really took me by suprise. You've laid out some really good food for thought. I guess when the time comes, I better try and rent one and do some A/B tests to see if it's worth the $5k price tag. (To my ears anyways.) Good looking out!  |
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13th August 2005, 12:47 AM
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Save your money Stoneface.... Those mics are great but I can think of so many better ways to spend $4-5 grand. | |
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13th August 2005, 12:52 AM
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13th August 2005, 01:19 AM
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13th August 2005, 01:21 AM
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13th August 2005, 01:28 AM
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 Just kiddin...that was a good one. I'm laughing so hard I've got tears coming out of my face. | |
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13th August 2005, 01:28 AM
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| cheap mic club Well I guess I"m in the cheap path club SE GEMINI>Amek CIB or Adesigns MP2>Tube Tech CL1-B Gotta get some Neve Flavor in my place and a massive passive. AFter that I think I'm done buying gear (maybe some more microphones THen I"M DONE LOL) I've found a local guy I can rent good stuff from (1063, 1073, Pultecs, Sta Level, Massive Passive etc....) THE GUY has every single piece I have ever wanted |
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13th August 2005, 01:43 AM
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| Blue Blueberry->Great River MEQ-1NV (high pass at 82)->FMR RNLA->Digi 002 Rack. I will get a u87 or u195 next month, still have not decided. oh I still need a better A/D converter! So it will probaly be a u195 and I'll get the Rosetta 200.
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13th August 2005, 02:07 AM
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| CAD-e300>Focusrite ISA 430>Distressor(on 430 insert)>PT(via ADAT Lightpipe from 430 CAD-e300>VC3 or VC6Q>Focusrite ISA A/D>PT SM57> Focusrite ISA 430>Distressor (insert)>PT
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13th August 2005, 02:31 AM
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| the k2 overall has a great sound now that i have it in omni. before it had to much siblance. can't wait to hook it up with my api Quote:
you setup sucks or your ears suck. to say a u87 will sound goon on just about anyone is BS. the u87 sounds bad all the time. the c800 on the other hand i've never heard 1 person sound bad on. when it comes to a guy like me(a engineer) the chain make a huge deal. i never liked using 57's when i was coming u.. now that i have major stuff i still don't like the 57 that much. i can put the 57 into any pre i want to at the moment. i really hate when ppl say hiphop only needs this.. or if you spend more than a u87 its to much or isn't worth it.... that BS. i know how my music sounds and i know i have a lil deal so thats all that really matters.. but to say a u47 is a waste in a hiphop session.. you have no experience with a u47 then
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13th August 2005, 03:20 AM
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If you don't think that the U87 is one of the most versatile mics ever made then you've been living under a rock. The U87 gets the award for "mic most likely to not sound like shit on anyone". You can't say that about a C800G or U47, as great as those mics are, because the fact is they just will not sound good on everyone. There is a reason why many engineers throw up a 87 first. There is a reason why the Jay-Z's and Missy Elliot's of the world are usually recorded through a U87. Because they don't have time to **** around with a million different mics trying to get the perfect sound. Are there mics better than a U87? Yes. Better for a wider range of uses.... No! So, the U87 sounds bad all the time, huh. You just destroyed your reputation with that comment, because I now know you are clueless. So, Mr Engineer, while you've been reading articles about Dr Dre using the C800G, I have actually been using one.... for like the last 5 years!!!! I owned one when you were 16 years old, youngster!!!! It's a beatiful mic, but not on everyone. You weren't even old enough to drive when I bought my C800G. Work the boards some more and do some more sessions and you will hear it sound real bad on many voices. Also, it's cool to have a U47, but it isn't neccesary for most hip hop sessions. If you can't get a friggin session done with a SM57 or SM7 and a Neve preamp, then go back to Full Sail, cause you need some recording 101 lessons. As far as the Sm57 sounding like sh!t.... Well, if you don't know what you're doing anything will sound like sh!t. After you're rude comment, I will not be teaching anymore about engineering today and I'm not gonna teach you how to make a 57 sound great either. Also, all those cheap mics that I listed I have used and been able to get great results from. So haven't the engineers for Wyclef Jean, Ghostface, Wu Tang Clan and a million other hip hop artists that have been making hit records that I don't care to list right now. Oh yeah, the SM7 also sounded pretty good when Bruce Swedien used it on Michael Jackson for Thriller!!!! Have a nice day and next time think before you say something stupid! | |
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13th August 2005, 08:07 AM
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13th August 2005, 12:01 PM
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| lack of perspective...sm57/58 are great tools any given time, kinda like a swiss army knife... They can go to hell n back and still refuse to die...
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