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3rd August 2005, 11:05 PM
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 | Do the majority of the hip hop artists you engineer know anything about gear? Do they know the difference between Protools HD and LE? Different mics? Preamps? Mackie mixer or ssl? Just curious how much of a difference it makes to someone once they get in front of the mic. Are there any specific things that you've received compliments on or that artists have specifically requested? |
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4th August 2005, 12:23 AM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: san francisco bay area
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| the majority of rockers, jazz artists, punk rockers, emo, etc artists KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT GEAR they usually know two words PRO and TOOLS but, a lot of hip hop artists are their own engineers, so they learn a few things
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4th August 2005, 01:32 AM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Miami FL
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| i wouldn't say most know about gear, they just know what they're used to seeing. SSL, Avalon, Pro Tools is about the extent of most of it. |
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4th August 2005, 06:54 AM
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| Pro Tools and SSL, that's usually it.... |
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4th August 2005, 09:51 AM
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| Sony C800g is also popular by lot of rappers. |
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4th August 2005, 11:12 AM
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| Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2004
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| I noticed two kind of people here. The smart and open minded ones, who would know/want to know about gear (since it's a big part of their environnement) and the dumb ones who would even have aggressive reaction when you try to make them understand anything (in order for them to get to what THEY want, instead of being fooled by better educated people). Something like "that's specialist bullshit, I don't get it and I don't care". |
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4th August 2005, 02:27 PM
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| Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they know a little and are eager to learn/explore or are happy just knowing enough to communicate with the end result in mind & let me do my job. Sometimes they know a little and "a little knowledge [becomes] a dangerous thing" -- i.e.: when somebody becomes a backseat driver to the point of ordering settings (esp. if the situation only allows limited two-way feedback). Ask for certain results, and let me find the settings. If it's not right, let's redo it until it is. Believe me, if the mix is flabby, they will forget VERY quickly that they ordered you to "turn up the compression" against your better stated judgment. This is really true about artists in all genres.
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4th August 2005, 04:16 PM
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4th August 2005, 05:43 PM
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4th August 2005, 06:24 PM
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| I always get a kick about artist putting recording gear in their lyrics. I've heard raps about ProTools, 2", SMPTE, engineers, punch ins, MIDI, etc. I'm surprised I haven't heard a take on Zappa's tune about U47's. Then there's the all so famous studio on MTV's Cribs and behind the scene studio footage. How many have MPC's, Triton's, SL-1200's, VT-737's and C-800G's? At least all this stuff in still available in good supply (for now.)
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4th August 2005, 06:32 PM
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4th August 2005, 06:37 PM
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And there are also a ton of big artists studios i see on tv with Mackie Digital 2-busses in there...which would not be my first choice for either tracking or mixing hip-hop... | |
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4th August 2005, 06:39 PM
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if u went to a rockabilly spot u would see guitars, bass guitars, drum sets, guitar amps, mics, etc. i'm not sure what ur point is. | |
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4th August 2005, 07:37 PM
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4th August 2005, 10:11 PM
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now, i know some people who do have a clue, but those are the guys who emcee/dj/produce. guys who are just emcees dont know jack when it comes to gear. cant blame them either. | |||
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4th August 2005, 11:17 PM
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| my experience has been positive in this aspect and almost all the individuals i have worked with have a basic knowledge of the recording process, including proper mic technique, what a preamp is, etc etc. but then again, i really try hard to work with ppl who have a professional mindset even if they are amateurs. individuals who really care about the whole process just make better recordists, not necessarily better artists, but they can better transfer their performance from brain/mouth to tape. i know one guy i worked with who was a very good rapper, but his technique was horrendous. once he started really flowing, he would get really close to the mic and continuously change his distance from the mic mid-verse. no matter how many times i told him not to do that, he would simply start off listening to my advice then instantly go back to his old habit. hes a good rapper, but how we gonna get that to tape (or plastic)??? |
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5th August 2005, 04:14 AM
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| Jai guru deva om  Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South Carolina
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| I record hip hop on a semi regular basis with one producer who brings lots of different talent in here (she keeps me pretty busy!). The first thing she wanted to know was if I had Pro Tools, the second thing was what kind of preamp did I have. I don't know where she picked up on the preamp from, but she never asked me about my mic. Just my preamp. I explained to her what I had, no PT but Nuendo is just as good (or better) and what preamps I had around. She was fine, but I think she just felt like letting me know she was hip to a thing or two by mentioning them. If I was doing or seeking out tons of hip hop / rap, I swear I'd drop the loot on a C800G and a 1073 and advertise that I've got the chain Dre uses. But, I stay busy as is and that's a $10,000 investment!!! War
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5th August 2005, 08:24 AM
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 | If this shit goes racial, I am the fock out of here. And be warned: I am a, white, middle-aqed fat bastard who can freestyle AND build beats on request. Be kind... 
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5th August 2005, 12:40 PM
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5th August 2005, 03:15 PM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Big Wide City
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| yuh huh... 
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5th August 2005, 05:15 PM
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| Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London
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| most the hip guys, I recorded were very interested in gear, just not the music kind!  |
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5th August 2005, 06:33 PM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hotlanta
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| most of the artist i deal with know: Pro tools Triton/mpc avalon(the 737 pos that is) and usually u87 i've had so many artist say i can't record a song here you don't have a u87 or a avalon.. i usually say ok then, holla... yet thier music sounds like str8 ASS and mine doesn't the new spot we have a api lunchbox with 512c,525,550B's.. along with a chandler ltd-1 and distressors...of course with a c12 and a c800G... but this is our private home studio... i'm not letting some of those other dumb ass artist come through there... its not worth it
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5th August 2005, 11:35 PM
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| Gear Guru  Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Uterèg statsie woar!
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| nada shure reason that is about it
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7th August 2005, 12:21 AM
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haha, i've been trackin this reggae cat named Determine for quite a few sessions now, and your post reminded me of him. His mic technique is CRAZY, literally jumpin around the booth crazy. Not so much in the verses, but adlibs and hooks and stuff, he's ALL OVER the place. But it actually sounds great!!! Everyone gets a kick out of him jumpin around all over. I just like to see the dude feelin it and getting into it!! | |
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8th August 2005, 08:33 AM
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| Gear interested Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Las Vegas
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| on the phone, before they pay, they say, " ProTools ?". I say , "no, I run Logic. Do you have a PT session that you want to work on ?". They say, "No". Hmm OK. in the studio, after they pay, they mostly say, "Can I smoke in here ?" "Can I drink in here ?" "Turn it up" I think what the client knows about gear has to do with their professional experience and nothing else. It's got nothing to do with genre. nothing. Thaddeus Corea. |
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8th August 2005, 01:28 PM
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"looks just a telefunken U-47, you'll love it, it's a way of life" Kool Keith mentiones SSL and Neve boards sometimes. Kayne has a really good line about his rhymes being like Neve's and your being like mackies. I don't remember it, but it's really good.
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10th October 2005, 11:09 PM
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| Just to even the score, I've been around a bunch of Austin TX alternative-y rock bands lately. Most of 'em wouldn't know Manley from Mackie. There's one fairly large music store that's almost entirely stocked with 4, 6 and 12 channel Behringer mixers, and that's about the most money any of these bands have spent on a mic preamp. I've seen mostly jury-rigged PC's with Soundblasters and they're running cracked copies of Cubase. There's a real anti-slick movement around here, and sometimes it goes waaaay overboard.  Just thought I'd mention this. I think this kind of thing is indicative of someone trying to make music, pay rent, have a life and perhaps work a crappy job more than it is of anything else. Sure, most of us have nice gear even if we don't own commercial studios, but most of us don't actually have lives.  |
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11th October 2005, 12:48 AM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York, NY
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| Most do not know anything except for a few popular pieces of gear like SSL, Avalon, that sony mic (c-800), protools, MPC, and various synths. Nothing else unless they have been in the game for a minute and even then they don't know much. I think this is a bad thing. An avalon and a C-800 will not work for everyone. If they seem at all interested I try to let them try some of my other pre's and mics. It's usually an eye opening experience. |
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11th October 2005, 09:33 PM
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12th October 2005, 05:24 AM
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