Can't get SCSI Zip Drive to read on ASR 10

[HOAS]

Scsi is installed on the asr 10 but i can't figure this scsi thing out. I got a cd rom that came with my asr for scsi and a Zip Drive Scsi 250mb. I plug them in the scsi port and set my number like 6 on my zip drive and try to get it to format and nothing...Keeps saying scsi not found. I hope it's just something stupid i'm not doing cause i'm completely new to this scsi stuff. And yes i do got the Chickensys translator software cd-rom that also came with it not the pro one though.

[kazper]

I think the 250 zip is considered incompatible for some reason with the ASR-10. I have a 250 and can't get it to work, but the 100 works like a charm..

Ensoniq ASR, EPS & EPS-16 Plus Tech Info from Syntaur Productions
Look at the SCSI section..

You also need a disk in the Zip drive when you boot up...

[2Loud]

same with MPC...100MB only

[maartenslagter]

Hey!
I just got an ASR-10 and made my first beat with it but I have the same question! Except for my zip-drive being a 100MB one without a SCSI selector switch... I'm sure I've got a SCSI card because the previous owner was able to use a SCSI zip with this unit. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Bye, Maarten

[JaeOne3345]

Originally Posted by 2Loud

same with MPC...100MB only

wrong.

[alleyeseeing]

I've used the Iomega 250mb zip drive with it for 9 years with no problem. Always turn on the Zip Drive first. When formatting the zip disk it will ask you what scsi id to use, choose the one that you have selected on the back of the drive. You must copy the OS from your floppy drive onto the zip disk or else the ASR10 will not boot up and whatever other midi or special settings you want you can save them as global parameters.

[alleyeseeing]

Oh I forgot I think I had a problem back in the days with using some funny style zip disks, so I just bought Fujifilm 250mb IBM/Mac or FujiFilm 250mb IBM. The one that didn't work was actually the one with a netted funny papertowel looking hole on the corner of the disk. It might have even been the one that came with it when I purchased it new.

[maartenslagter]

this is driving me nuts! Just installed translator free and the zip drive on my pc. I put the Ensoniq Bank ID to 5 in Translator (remember no selector on my zip-unit). Connected it to the ASR, turn the bitch on and guess what?

When trying to load the device: Disk not responding.

If you've gone through the same struggle, please share your gained knowledge. I can't wait to get down and just do some tracks on this thing (and being able to save my work...)

[2Loud]

Originally Posted by JaeOne3345

wrong.

how come? it doesnt work with 250 Mb ZIP at all...

[Joegrane]

there are zip "plus" drives that work with parallel (the printer port) and scsi ports on pcs.

[Zarathunkya]

I also have an ASR. The SCSI drive works. But I have a bunch of second hand zip disks which need to be formatted - only problem is I can't find anywhere on the internet that tells me how to format a zip disk! If anyone can help with that it'd be much appreciated! Cheers

[lord toranaga]

are you sure the zip drive is scsi?

i could be a parallel port drive, they look very similar.


can you post a picture of the back of your drive?

[Jay-]

Originally Posted by Zarathunkya

I also have an ASR. The SCSI drive works. But I have a bunch of second hand zip disks which need to be formatted - only problem is I can't find anywhere on the internet that tells me how to format a zip disk! If anyone can help with that it'd be much appreciated! Cheers

You might try Ensoniq disk tools
Chicken Systems Inc: Products: Software: Ensoniq Disk Tools

I used total commander and the ensonic tools to make an image of a 100meg zip drive and then burn it to the Zip with translator and an image or better yet the plugins from Total commander.

Its complicated, but you can do anything at this point if you learn it
thoralt.de · ensoniq

[dfg_MacGyver]

Originally Posted by Zarathunkya

I also have an ASR. The SCSI drive works. But I have a bunch of second hand zip disks which need to be formatted - only problem is I can't find anywhere on the internet that tells me how to format a zip disk! If anyone can help with that it'd be much appreciated! Cheers

u can format zip drives with free version of translator.
I use a usb zip100 drive connected to my Pc.
Right click on the zip disk in translator and choose "format" option, then choose Ensoniq EPS/ASR.
Translator will by default put the sampler operating system on the zip (thats nice).

[Butters]

Okay, after many years of tangling with my ASR-10's SCSI-to-zip drive setup, I can finally contribute some information to this topic.

Formatting A Zip Disk:
This process is much more difficult than it needs to be, but most things are when using the ASR.
Connect your Zip drive to the SCSI port of the ASR, but make sure that both the ASR and the zip drive are off. You MUST boot up off of OS on a floppy disk. This is very important, because if you boot off of a zip disk you already have formatted, the option to "Format SCSI Drive" will not be available to you.

Insert OS into floppy drive and turn on the ASR. Once ASR has booted up off of floppy, then you can turn on the zip drive. Insert unformatted zip disk and give it 20 seconds or so to read the disk. Then go to Command*System MIDI*Format SCSI Drive.

At this point you should be good to go, but make sure the SCSI switch on the back of your zip drive matches the SCSI number you're telling the ASR to call up (I use #6). It'll take a while to erase and format, and when it asks to put the OS on the zip, do it; just use the floppy you used to boot up the ASR.

For a long time i was getting the "disk not responding" bizness when trying to format a zip disk. This was because i had the zip drive turned on when i booted the ASR up, so make sure the zip drive is OFF when booting up your ASR.

Navigating through the Zip and saving to the Zip are entirely other undertakings--completely different from using floppies...

Saving To Zip:

Go to Command*System MIDI*Create Directory. This is basically your umbrella folder for whatever beat you're working on. For those familiar with saving to floppy, think of the directory as the actual floppy/floppies you use to save a beat. Once you name the directory, call it up from the zip by Load*System MIDI and then scrolling to that directory. Once you see the directory on the screen, press Enter. It will say "Exit To Root". This is the confusing part. "Exit to Root" will take you to the directories, which is not what you want to do. You're trying to get inside that directory. In order to do that, when it says "Exit To Root", press either Instrument or Sequence button. Now you're inside of that directory.
At this point, you save or load Instruments and Sequences as you would ordinarily, and they will be saved into that designated directory.


Also, i use a Zip 250 with my ASR. I bought it from Bruce Forat. Dude is the don of the sampler.

[Zarathunkya]

everywhere, and it sure as hell isn't in the manual! that's one technical arse procedure just to format a disk. Damn! But oh well, I still love using this ancient hunk of machine.

Cheers man

Originally Posted by Butters

Okay, after many years of tangling with my ASR-10's SCSI-to-zip drive setup, I can finally contribute some information to this topic.

Formatting A Zip Disk:
This process is much more difficult than it needs to be, but most things are when using the ASR.
Connect your Zip drive to the SCSI port of the ASR, but make sure that both the ASR and the zip drive are off. You MUST boot up off of OS on a floppy disk. This is very important, because if you boot off of a zip disk you already have formatted, the option to "Format SCSI Drive" will not be available to you.

Insert OS into floppy drive and turn on the ASR. Once ASR has booted up off of floppy, then you can turn on the zip drive. Insert unformatted zip disk and give it 20 seconds or so to read the disk. Then go to Command*System MIDI*Format SCSI Drive.

At this point you should be good to go, but make sure the SCSI switch on the back of your zip drive matches the SCSI number you're telling the ASR to call up (I use #6). It'll take a while to erase and format, and when it asks to put the OS on the zip, do it; just use the floppy you used to boot up the ASR.

For a long time i was getting the "disk not responding" bizness when trying to format a zip disk. This was because i had the zip drive turned on when i booted the ASR up, so make sure the zip drive is OFF when booting up your ASR.

Navigating through the Zip and saving to the Zip are entirely other undertakings--completely different from using floppies...

Saving To Zip:

Go to Command*System MIDI*Create Directory. This is basically your umbrella folder for whatever beat you're working on. For those familiar with saving to floppy, think of the directory as the actual floppy/floppies you use to save a beat. Once you name the directory, call it up from the zip by Load*System MIDI and then scrolling to that directory. Once you see the directory on the screen, press Enter. It will say "Exit To Root". This is the confusing part. "Exit to Root" will take you to the directories, which is not what you want to do. You're trying to get inside that directory. In order to do that, when it says "Exit To Root", press either Instrument or Sequence button. Now you're inside of that directory.
At this point, you save or load Instruments and Sequences as you would ordinarily, and they will be saved into that designated directory.


Also, i use a Zip 250 with my ASR. I bought it from Bruce Forat. Dude is the don of the sampler.

[Butters]

No doubt, kid. It took me so long to figure this sh*t out and i still have problems with it every now and then and I couldn't find any info on it out there either.
If you have any other questions with it I guess just reply to this post.

The ASR is a damn anomaly...

[Studio507]

My guitars don't have SCSI.

I've gone through SCSI hell with my EPS16 for the past year and I have just decided to accept the fact that its ****ed up and will never work. Any my guitar doesn't have SCSI, so why do I need it on my sampler.

Completely unhelpful, but thats how I feel now.

WHY THE **** CAN'T YOU FORMAT A ZIP DISC THATS ALREADY FORMATED BY PC/MAC. WTF. ERASE AND FORMAT. ALL EVERYTHINGS EVER EVER EVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. WHY CANT MY KEYBOARD.

Sorry. Venting.

Back to work.

[rallycapmusic]

Im having this same f***ed up issue with my ASR-10 and my Iomega 250 scsi zip drive. I followed the above instructions mentioned but I get to a point where I keep seeing "interleave". Not even sure what the HELL this means but after continuing on, I also get a message saying "unconnected scsi dev". I havent even laid a single NOTE since I got this thing because of this issue!

[rizeup7]

Originally Posted by kazper

I think the 250 zip is considered incompatible for some reason with the ASR-10. I have a 250 and can't get it to work, but the 100 works like a charm..

Ensoniq ASR, EPS & EPS-16 Plus Tech Info from Syntaur Productions
Look at the SCSI section..

You also need a disk in the Zip drive when you boot up...

Are you looking to sell that 250? I need an extra FOR MY MPC, whoever made that comment...

[rizeup7]

Originally Posted by 2Loud

how come? it doesnt work with 250 Mb ZIP at all...

Absolutely false. I have been using an iomega 250 SCSI with my 2000 for the past 8 years, and with my 200XL for the past 5 years. Matter of fact, every producer I've met uses a 250 unless it's a new internal install, and even they're swapping them for 250's.

[Butters]

Originally Posted by rallycapmusic

Im having this same f***ed up issue with my ASR-10 and my Iomega 250 scsi zip drive. I followed the above instructions mentioned but I get to a point where I keep seeing "interleave". Not even sure what the HELL this means but after continuing on, I also get a message saying "unconnected scsi dev". I havent even laid a single NOTE since I got this thing because of this issue!

Were you able to format the zip disk?

[HOAS]

Man I just gave up on the scsi see to costly to get into and more of a hassle to get it to work on the asr 10. If someone put a youtube video of how to do it and what zip drive and disc to get and pretty much break down all the things u need to do to get this done than I'll do it. The major reason for scsi for me is that I can easily keep the sound quality of the asr 10 when sampled in and do more complex chops on the pc cuz that's just how I like to work. Coming from a flstudio background where are secret weapon for quick chops is slicex for many and me is edison. With a scsi and chicken sys I can save a sample of drums or melody chop it up in edison after using the translator send it back and load it on asr 10 and still use the effects which will speed up my workflow. I admit that chopping on the asr 10 is easy but also time consuming to. Which is all perference at the end of the day on how u like to work and feel comfortable. After watching 3rddegree on youtube on how to make the asr 10 monophonic really made it a lot more quicker for me to chop a sample and I've been getting by with just that. But hopefully somebody put up a vid on the scsi mess with asr 10 and translator software to help us guys out on how to get this going. Be nice if I can get this to work with the s950 to but mines has no scsi gotta find a way to put my sounds to floppy and convert to wav if possible to use on my software programs.

[Shadio]

I've had my ASR-10 for close to 3 years and this is the first time I've found the process of formatting and saving explained so clearly!

One more question tho, how do you save the OS to the ZIP??

[Butters]

Originally Posted by Shadio

I've had my ASR-10 for close to 3 years and this is the first time I've found the process of formatting and saving explained so clearly!

One more question tho, how do you save the OS to the ZIP??

I really have no idea why there's absolutely no info about the ASR and zip drive anywhere--it caused me a lot of heartache too. In order to save the OS to Zip, you need to have the Operating System on floppy disk. If you don't have one, or don't know anyone with it, they sell them on ebay. Actually, in order to format the Zip you need the OS on floppy anyway so it's a must to have that.

After the ASR is done formatting the Zip disk, it will ask something like "Transfer OS to disk"? I'm paraphrasing, but it's something to that effect. All you gotta do is load in your OS floppy and press enter. The ASR will read the operating system off the floppy and transfer it right to the zip disk. From that point on you can boot right off zip.

When you're booting from zip, however, always make sure the zip drive is on and zip disk is safely loaded into the drive BEFORE you turn on the ASR. Otherwise, the ASR won't recognize the scsi/zip drive and you won't be able to boot or access from the zip.

[Shadio]

Nevermind, just formatted a ZIP per your instructions and got the "SAVE OS TO ZIP" message

Again thanks a mill man, it's workin like a charm!

[Butters]

No doubt, glad there's another ASR up and runnin'. Treat that thing like your wife AND your bitch!

[Fatherless One]

Great thread

Is it possible to save the OS from the ZIP which it boots from back to a floppy?

[oxide54]

Originally Posted by 2Loud

same with MPC...100MB only

Forat -- Service

[jahlieesroom]

ensoniq asr 10 61 keys WITH IOMEGA 250 ZIP AND CD ROM DRIVE..someone please help me on this exausted matter trying to format a scsi disk i go thru the steps and when i hit format scsi disk 5, hit yes and goes into interleave and machine stays stuck, and gotta reboot..does anyone have an answer...