Making Beats/Tracks in Headphones...

[korbes]

Originally Posted by jamie10

anyone recommend good headphones?
i want to use them to make music, with good bass response,
basically i want to ENJOY listening to music on them, rather than have FLAT sounding MIX type headphones.
Dont want to spend too much either.

Thanks.

Apart from all the possible translation issues when making music with headphones due to the technical differences between cans and speakers
covered widely in this forum, I can say this: I have Beyerdynamic DT 770 headphones that are rather bass heavy in my opinion. I enjoy listening to music on them and also composing works but they do sound completely different than my monitors and I would not mix on them (apart from checking some things as bass for example since my monitors don't go that deep).

By the way, no need for double posts, jamie ;-)

[MYAMS]

Originally Posted by korbes

Apart from all the possible translation issues when making music with headphones due to the technical differences between cans and speakers
covered widely in this forum, I can say this: I have Beyerdynamic DT 770 headphones that are rather bass heavy in my opinion. I enjoy listening to music on them and also composing works but they do sound completely different than my monitors and I would not mix on them (apart from checking some things as bass for example since my monitors don't go that deep).

By the way, no need for double posts, jamie ;-)

yeah I get fatigue real fast in the beyerdynamics, great sounding though.

[Yenrah]

Originally Posted by voicegenius

Yeah, because people start to want to dabble in the pot and try to tell you what you should do here and there...

I hate that crap...that's why I use 'em

[jamie10]

thanks...

my old music college teacher used to say beyerDT100 is industry standard etc...
i think maybe the DT770 may be the update, with more bass... just read the SOS review.
Ok thanks, ill keep this in mind.

so these are good for bass listening, for you?

Yeah just read how people make beats on headphones and how some people dont like others hearing
when they are working on something...THIS IS SO TRUE....WHENEVER THERES SOMEONE IN THE HOUSE, I CANT
BE MYSELF AND LET GO AND JAM WITH IT.... DAMN IM PLANNINg on moving out partly beacause of this....

- good headphones should help....in the meantime...at at night when peeps are asleep.

FATIGUE, using beyer? thats not good.... they do look huge and heavy... comfort is important if gonna be using for long periods.

[Jonkr]

Yeah I use DT770's as well... They're the the most accurate headphones I've heard so far, very good for isolation, and very comfortable (they blow my Sennheiser HD260's out of the water in all categories)... and since my room acoustics still aren't up to par for me for mixing I've been using the DT770's for mixing and checking the mix in different headphones and monitors. In my opinion this makes things much harder and its pretty difficult to get the mix sounding like you want it to. The upside is that I've been using these headphones for several years and know they're sound really well. I think thats the only thing that allows me to make decent mixes on them.

Haha, just realized I didnt answer the question... Yes I make beats with headphones but I like to use my monitors for beats when possible. Because I like things kinda loud when making beats, it gets me more into it and headphones tend to cause fatigue pretty quickly

[kizm0]

I've been using the Bose Triport - They kick ass. I'm so lucky I haven't developed hearing problems (That I know of). I really need to get monitors . Thanks for reminding me.

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by rhodesp04

i often do because i often start with my drum programming first. if i'm starting out on my drum machine i'll do that with just headphones on because i don't want to get up turn the speakers on turn my interface on turn my monitors on turn my aurora on turn my lunchbox on etc etc. i'll just load up a kit and make a nice drum pattern and if i like it i'll turn everything on to record it. it's all about the workflow

I know exactly what you mean. This is why I have another set of speakers free and ready to use if drum programming is all that I am doing.

[jamie10]

sennheiser HD228
bought them today. £50
Not as good bass as i thought. Not too loud either.
Sony earbuds half the price have more bass.

sennheiser, you have to hold them against ear to hear more bass....when you let go, its not as good......is this the case with ALL headphones?

[PeeWeeGee]

Originally Posted by dj!

Blatant advertising on my part of course, but if you're doing any serious work on headphones you really ought to try our Redline Monitor. Not only does it bring the soundstage of headphones and nearfields much closer together--to the point where many feel comfortable doing actual mixes on headphones--, it also reduces ear fatigue a lot. Which makes working on headphones that much more pleasant (not to mention reliable). We offer a fully functional 60-day demo, so you have plenty of time to try it and (hopefully) find out that I'm not exaggerating.

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-- dj!

Gotta co-sign this one. I use the product and, so far, I've had pretty good success. IMO , standard headphones throw off the genuine feel of the stereo field in an ambient environment.

As far as making the tracks, I don't see why using HPs would be any hindrance to doing whatcha do.

PWG

[kizm0]

Here's what I learned from this thread:

First, you're not going to mix well with headphones.

Second, if you do use headphones constantly you're just asking for hearing problems.

@Jamie10
No. Spending $50 to get good headphones will not work. I use Bose Triport headphones and they sound excellent for listening. I've been on the PC for about 8 hours straight + 10-20 min breaks every hour or so with these headphones on and my ears don't hurt. I'm talking about the outside of my ear, the part the headphones touch. If I were blarring music all day, then they would hurt.

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by kizm0

First, you're not going to mix well with headphones.

Not true at all. If you learn how audio is suppose to sound on your headphones (and you own a pair of really good headphones), you should be able to come up with a decent mix.

Studio monitors set up correctly in a properly treated environment will be your best bet for hearing what you are doing most accurately, but headphones are still very useful when mixing. They can also be used to pull off entire mixes if you have no other alternatives. You just have to be aware of its shortcomings and compensate accordingly. Best case scenerio is to be able to monitor your mix across multiple monitors/etc.

Originally Posted by kizm0

Second, if you do use headphones constantly you're just asking for hearing problems.

Not necessarily. It depends on what situation you are constantly using them in and how loudly you choose to pump your audio while you have them on. Back in the day when I first started putting together my first production space, all I had was a pair of headphones (hi-fi, not even studio headphones) and I would work on beats for hours straight, then mix with them for another couple hours on top of that and I was able to pull off what I needed done without damaging my hearing, or giving myself a headache. JUST DON'T TURN UP YOUR AUDIO ANY LOUDER THAN YOUR EARS CAN HANDLE!

[kleen]

If anyones looking for a good solution I'd have to recommend these

Headphones - Klipsch Custom-3, High-Performance Headphones, Noise-Reducing Headphones - Overview

After owning/useing all the usual suspects (with realistically poor results when it comes to translation) I thought I'd try an in ear solution. Nothing I have used translates as well as these. You will never get a perfect mix in headphones but these things will get you pretty damn close

[smoke]

I like mixing with headphones because it is convenient, but you just have to be aware of spatial and balance surprises. It's real easy to find yourself in a cycle of perfecting the mix in phones, listening thru monitors, readjusting, rechecking the cans, so on.

As suggested, if you're aware of translation, if helps, but I find that every song is different and translates phones to monitors differently, so there is no solid formula for making a perfect phones mix sound as perfect over the monitors. It is a compromise, but in the end, at least your mix will sound decent for both types of listeners.