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2nd August 2005, 04:33 AM
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| Who else mixes "WITH" Dr. Dre? Some of my favorite hip hop references are mixes that say "mixed by Dr. Dre." I don't know, something tells me someone else was in the room suggesting gear to patch and turning knobs. Does anyone have an inside scoop of who else's ears are in the room on Dre productions? ("2001" and 50 Cent's "Get Rich....." in particular?) |
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2nd August 2005, 04:44 AM
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| Why so?
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2nd August 2005, 04:55 AM
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2nd August 2005, 04:57 AM
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| Ok, fine... but what leads you to think it is not Dre?
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2nd August 2005, 05:02 AM
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Also I know first hand that it's common practice within his camp to have "ghost" talent around and his name (and publishing in some cases) is credited with the final product. I figured the job of mixing is treated with the same mentality. | |
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2nd August 2005, 05:38 AM
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Are you aware that many top engineers have guys that come in and prep for them? Is that what you are asking? Who is his assistant? Or are you implying that Dre does not know the gear or how to use it? If so, you are mistaken. I think there's a guy around here- Tommy D that used to work for him.
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2nd August 2005, 07:19 AM
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2nd August 2005, 08:58 AM
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| What are you talking about??? Dre has been mixing hits since the '90's man! He is more than 15 years into this business. What qualifies a person in your mind to be a mixer? Practicing other people's mixes???? That's hilarious!!! How do you like the mix of Still DRE? Listen to that mix... along with the lyrics! FWIW, I worked with Dre as early as 1993, and he knew EXACTLY what he was doing. As far as me contributing to this discussion, I agree it is a waste of time. Good luck.
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2nd August 2005, 10:18 AM
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| [Dre has been mixing hits since the '90's man] Yes, indeed. He is one the most talented producers in the business today. I just finished working on 4 cuts from the new Burt Bacharach CD. They are collaborations between Burt and Dre. Trust me - I worked on the tracks from the get go - and know exactly what is on there. Dre has his sh*t together big time. He has a brilliant musician/writer working with him in the studio named Mike Elizondo, but it's definitely a collaboration, and Dre knows what he wants to hear.
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2nd August 2005, 11:58 AM
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"MY" other favorites do mostly mix only and that doesn't mean I don't admire engineers that only track, engineers that are A&R's, engineers that produce or mixers that also have VH1 "Behind the Music" episodes about them. Once again you are not reading all of the information presented. I never disqualified Dre. as a mix engineer I just had a hard time believing he was the sole audio specialist at mixdown on that record, based on the previous CD's he is listed as mixer and other things I've seen first hand. When I hear a CD performed, engineered and mixed by Cody Chestnutt I don't have a hard time believing Cody mixed that record. I do about "2001." Big deal, why is that so absurd and so personally offensive to you? I've complemented his work and said I'm a fan I just want to know who else had a hand in it, if anyone.  Quote:
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2nd August 2005, 02:26 PM
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2nd August 2005, 02:37 PM
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| A lot of the mojo is in the mastering, for a quick reference check out that track on "the games"s cd.. love it or leave it? something like that.. then check out the same track on the end of fiftys cd.. mastered by uhmm Brian Big Bass Gardner. |
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2nd August 2005, 02:44 PM
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Thats strange that Game and 50's CD had different ME's since it was basically the same group of people that worked on both.(I ASSume)
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2nd August 2005, 07:49 PM
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| Engine Ears, I don't know if you mix for a living or not, but I do. I certainly hope that my mixes have improved over the years due do my personal advances as well as my accesss to better gear and studios. For example, the original Chronic album was largely tracked and mixed on an SSL 4056 E series console, not exactly known for its punch or warmth. Yet, that signature Dre sound is there. Most 'Top-Gun" mixers have prep guys that set up the gear and patches, clean up any stray audio in the tracks, etc.. and even get basic levels. Sometimes you will see this person credited as "mix engineer". I have been credited as such when I would spend hours getting everything setup and even EQed to MY liking, to have the mixer come in at the end of the evening to modify what I'd done, get his own levels and rides and do his drops. Dre has a crew of engineers that he works with. It's no big secret. There is an article from EQ magazine from a few years ago that maps out the roles of Dre's staff. Everyone is credited for their contribution, including "Vito", Mike E, Big Bass Brian, and even Scott Storch. Why don't you look that up, and while you are at it, find the issue of Scratch Magazine from about 6 months ago. It gives an excellent glimpse of behind-the-scenes Dre. What offends me is this insinuation that someone else "mixes for Dre" as you named this thread when you began it, and the suggestion that he puts his name on other people's work. I think it is irresponsible to post somthing like that in a public forum, unless YOU PERSONALLY did a mix 'for Dre" and did not receive credit for it. For some reason, I doubt that is the case.
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2nd August 2005, 08:14 PM
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| http://www.hiphopgame.com/index2.php3?page=dremay There's some of the Burt Bacharach info in there and info about his engineers. |
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2nd August 2005, 08:31 PM
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2nd August 2005, 09:18 PM
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2nd August 2005, 09:19 PM
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| No worries, ears... PM me if you can't find those articles. If I may further clarify another point.... There are a lot of "ghosts" in this industry. It is nothing new, and it not necessarily unethical unless taken to the extreme (Milli Vanilli comes to mind). Hypothetically, you are a new producer with lots of talent but no name/track record. Somehow, you wind up in the studio next to a "Big Name Producer" who hears your beats and wants to use one for his artist. He insists on receiving 50% of the publishing even if he uses the beat as you gave it to him as a condition of the deal. That is a good business deal for BOTH parties and is common practice throughout the industry. Consider a pop starlette who breaks into the indusrty with a huge debut album of tracks written and produced by someone else. How often is every song on the 2nd album co-written/co-produced by the artist??? (wink wink) Did that artist get a sudden blessing of talent as a songwriter/producer, or a 'first-hand" education in music business economics 101?? And if you are a songwriter that has the opportunity to "co-write" the song with the artist, then if you are smart you do it and keep your mouth shut all the way to the bank.
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2nd August 2005, 09:26 PM
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| Paul are you Warren G?(Dre's cousin) There's been plenty of times Dre's name is brought up on some lawsuit of using a sample that he hasn't cleared...so anything is possible imo
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2nd August 2005, 09:36 PM
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2nd August 2005, 09:36 PM
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| Hip hop/ Rap was literally BORN of samples... only they were referred to as BREAKS and were manually scratched in by a skilled DJ. The Emulator then came along with the infamous "James Brown" disc and BILLIONS of dollars later here we are. Dre makes beats using samples as well as live musicians. People whose music Dre samples sue Dre because the judgement is COLLECTABLE in his case if the sample was not cleared prior to release. Some labels release songs with uncleared samples as a calculated risk. Sometimes they get burned. "I know Warren G, I served with him... Warren G is a friend of mine. I am no Warren G" to paraphrase a famous political quote, LOL
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2nd August 2005, 09:49 PM
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| I thought Warren G was Dre's half Brother... |
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2nd August 2005, 09:57 PM
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I like to think of that like the 2nd era of hip hop. The first era hip hop were records like run-dmc which all drum bassed w/ hits and such. the 2nd era with u refer too was ruled by producer Marley Marl and them james brown samples. | |
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2nd August 2005, 10:04 PM
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| Hip Hop was born of a few essentials, mainly a MC, a mic, a DJ and some break records. No samples or drum machines... they were not invented yet.
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2nd August 2005, 10:19 PM
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| i dont know why its so hard to believe that dre actually mixes the tracks that he says he does. yea, he has a staff of musicians and engineers, but that doesnt necesarily mean that those engineers are the ones turning the knobs on final mixes. engineers can do alot besides mix. you have to remember that dre practically created the mainstream hip hop sound. he started so long ago that he probably didnt even think to have major studios mix his tracks, or he was too broke when he started to afford it. a few years later its his sound that the entire west coast is worshiping. i dont find it hard to believe that hes still mixing to this day. his tracks have always had absolutely banging drums, at levels that most engineers wouldnt advise against, and they still come out perfect. dre created it, i think he knows how to do it. |
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3rd August 2005, 12:11 AM
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| A FAIR QUESTION I think Engine Ears asked a fair question and caught alot of flack over nothing. Hell Dre doesnt do all of the production he takes credit for, so why should someone assume he does the mixes??? |
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3rd August 2005, 12:20 AM
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3rd August 2005, 03:57 AM
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| NOPE I dont care to elaborate Paul, I think it would be pointless in an internet forum. I'll only say that I dont look at Dre as the "God " of hip hop like some cats do. I understand that at a certain level of sucess, you have the right to stamp your name on the work because you have the money to do so and also because your name is on the marquee. I dont know what your beef is. I just thought the man had a reasonable post. I honestly dont care what Andre Young does. It doesnt feed me. I concentrate on that which I control. Dre's camp produces some nice stuff (sometimes). But when I want hot material, I make it. (And YOU know this). so while I admire some of his work, I realize some of it isnt all that great. He does however always provide a basic level of professionalism. |
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