Originally Posted by Scoundrel1
I really dig that s**t!, and I have completely ended my relationship with hip-hop all together at this point. They need to start calling it Urban Pop, which would still be a misnomer since so much of it now comes from the suburbs or even the country. You really got some songs there and I'm lovin some of those sounds. I would even say it was "tight" but I am so sick of hip-hop I don't even wanna expressssss myself in that veracular. Speaking of esses what's the deal with the dbx 263? How much ess did u have pre 263?
I'm real sorry to break away from this thread. This is the sort of thing that really irritates me when someone else does it, especially on something like a versus thread. Well, at least I am not introducing any other piecs of gear, I really f'n hate that.
I am also really insterested in these same dbx peices. I can never decide which one to get. I have a photo diagram of some mods for the 166 around here.
But the user I got them from told me he couldn't here much difference. These were are a bit different from the Jim Williams mods that I have seen. So don't let that discourage you from modding.
The Rode NT1A with its hyped capsule is essy in the worst way possible. Perhaps if you NEVER compressed it, then you might have a somewhat dialed in sounding mic, but I personally grew to hate it during the mix of the album that you can preview on myspace. The mic just starts to ess way too early and the dbx 163x/Pro Vla combo helped to tame it a touch, however the 263x was the ticket for getting them under control.
What you hear on myspace is WITH the 263x inserted into the vocal chain but usually post tracking so after the dbx 163x, then ITB a Cubase hipass eq and before a hardware send to the Pro Vla doing light compression at like 2:1 or 4:1, each song had different attack release settings btw. Also some of the essiness was treated in mastering but not with a de esser. My ME has some cool ass tricks up his sleeve to help essy vox, fortunately he shouldn't have much use for them for our new project.
Our new mics are galaxies better than the Rode NT1A. The de esser barely if at all lights up when we record now. I much more prefer the Peluso Pk67 capsule, the ADK Hamburg and Vienna capsules and hopefully my reskinned Neumann capsule will make me cream my pants.
The 263x is an affordable de esser for those seeking to de ess before compression in the tracking phase. Some track with compression and some don't. I personally like the sound the dbx 263x imparts, all de essers have a tone. The exception is when you use a transparent compressor that has a sidechain input and you de ess with that using an EQ. ReaComp is AWESOME for this.
Between the 263x and ReaComp I'm very satisfied in the de essing department. I barely if at all even demo Spitfish anymore. Its very colored.
The 163x while looked down upon is still to me a very good compressor. If you go light on the compression its still very nice sounding, I like going aggressive with it for hip hop vox and sometimes an R and B vocal. Its cool at low GR like I said though. Sometimes you can mess around with how you flip it. Maybe you have light compression on the dbx 163x and heavy compression on the Pro Vla (I use 2 channels of it). Usually I'm going aggro on the 163x and lighter on the Pro Vla. Trust me though, I HATE tracking naked vocals and then trying to process them with VST compressors. Harsh grainy cruddy VST compression Bleh.
Worst case scenario, I'd advise you to track with some light compression on the way in with a dbx 163x maybe 5db to 10db (or more
e) of gain reduction. Then do some compressing with Stillwell Rocket VST. I used it to process a vocal cut with a Peluso 2247 into a Avalon 737 that had the compressor engaged doing light compression. Sounded pretty damn good.
That being said thanks for the shout out. I appreciate it.