im sick of using a computer (want a keyboard)

[shanobi]

yea im getting sick of using my laptop for making beats i sold my eps 16 which i loved but i need something with a wave form screen for chopping samples,i was also looking to buy a asr-10 but it stills seems limiting i need a screen,everytime i sit at my casio keyboard(which actually has a sequencer but no sampler) i come up with great idea's then i go back to the computer and loose motivation....im looking to spend under a thousand for some kind of workstation or sampler keyboard with wave editing ,also something that supports me using my laptop as a synth for sounds from vst's and sequence them in the keyboard..what should i consider? and what kind of hassle is it gonna be getting my music back and 4th in to pro tools to track the beats out?

[Tha Wiizard]

If you can find a Fantom X6 around $1000 then you'll be in hog heaven. The sounds, effects, and ease of use is the best. The layering of sounds is so easy to do and makes it really easy to come up with your own sounds.

[brian_delizza]

any used workstation will do you fine...

motif, fantom, triton, etc...

[JaeOne3345]

You don't NEED a screen, although you may prefer it. Trust your ears!

The ensoniq eps/asr platforms are some of the greatest samplers EVER for true sample manipulation.If you know the eps16+ then stick to it.

[rallycapmusic]

Originally Posted by shanobi

yea im getting sick of using my computer for making beats

Im feeling you 110%. Its a drag. Its no motivation, plus it seems like your just clicking away with one hand on the mouse and the other under yo chin (sighs)....what fuuunnn!!

Im going back to hardware at least for the beat making. I will leave the recording, mixing and editing to my iMac..

[jrides]

Originally Posted by shanobi

i sold my eps 16 which i loved.... everytime i sit at my casio keyboard(which actually has a sequencer but no sampler) i come up with great idea's...

EPS + CASIO = Happy?

Originally Posted by shanobi

but i need something with a wave form screen for chopping samples

No you dont...lol
You could use those funny shaped things on the side of your head.

Originally Posted by shanobi

i was also looking to buy a asr-10 but it stills seems limiting

It limits you from seeing the music with your eyes. ASR 10 w/SCSI takes compact flash cards.

If you want a keyboard that uses visual editing for samples, with built in sounds, any of the major synths (used) will do ya. Fantom has pad thingies if you like pad thingies.

As for the hassle of going back and forth to computer. Ummmmm you should remember this from when you had the EPS right? Unless you get something with a hard drive and USB 2.0, im guessing you will be transferring via 8 analog/digital outs. Nothing new there.

[Silas Holmes]

I think many people have forgotten how to edit without a screen, but it is very easy and also very fast.

When you are in edit mode you simply play the sample at the lowest possible pitch on your keyboard, maybe C1 oder C2.

You are going through the sample in slow motion and now you can easily find the attack, all you have to do is move the start point around.

[shanobi]

i could use my ears or i can also take advantage of technology and have some sought of wave editing ,yes i have been there with the eps and to be honest ,when using something like recycle or acid pro it was much easier and i had a better work flow as far as chopping goes.

[Leon Freeze]

My 2 cents...I'd go with a DAW set-up and dump loot into the latest soft-synths. With a good DAW (Protools, Logic, etc.) a sampler is obsolete. Although many of the classic samplers have a unique sonic character, the accuracy of the audio record/playback is far behind any standard DAW recording @ 24/96.

I own a few old samplers myself because that's what I started with, but I now must recommend going strictly PC or Mac with a good DAW, good softsynths, good A/D (Apogee or better) and a 61 or 88-key keyboard controller, and a good set of plug-ins.

I used to recommend hardware, but it takes up a lot of space, requires maintenance from time to time and sonically does not exceed the ITB sound of most of the DAW set-ups out there.

The one undeniable factor that makes hardware synths/samplers good however is you don't have to tangle with any latency issues...other than that hardware workstations are no longer a necessity for making good music. To each their own however...cats get salty over this issue.

[shanobi]

i have a DAW acid pro(my sequencer) and pro tools

i have vst plugins sonik synth and hypersonic

i have a axiom 61 keyboard

monitors

a mbox2 and fast track pro


maybe im just getting tired of the acid work flow and should consider a new daw or even a mac setup with logic

[s12512]

what about an mv-8000?? has sounds. has a screen. u can hook a computer screen 2 it. just need a midi controller. u can do anything u want to samples. and u can see them very well.

[tonymission]

Originally Posted by Tha Wiizard

If you can find a Fantom X6 around $1000 then you'll be in hog heaven. The sounds, effects, and ease of use is the best. The layering of sounds is so easy to do and makes it really easy to come up with your own sounds.

This.

Craigslist will do ya right...

[The Beatsmith]

who the hell uses a computer and no keyboard to input the midi anyways??

[MYAMS]

Originally Posted by The Beatsmith

who the hell uses a computer and no keyboard to input the midi anyways??

some techno guys lol...

[shephurd]

Originally Posted by The Beatsmith

who the hell uses a computer and no keyboard to input the midi anyways??

Me.. well, for the 1st year of beat making.. couldnt aford any hardware, so had to rely on making beats with a mouse and a pc keyboard :( not fun..

[The Beatsmith]

just buy a midi controller

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by shephurd

Me.. well, for the 1st year of beat making.. couldnt aford any hardware, so had to rely on making beats with a mouse and a pc keyboard :( not fun..

M-Audio KeyRig 49 from zZounds.com!

...For when you finally decide to make that leap and get serious about your beat making. Only 100 bucks. People spend more than that on unnecessary things without even knowing it.

[shanobi]

Originally Posted by The Beatsmith

who the hell uses a computer and no keyboard to input the midi anyways??

i was talking about as my sequencer ,i have 2 controller a AXIOM 61 and keystation 88

[Keyflo]

Originally Posted by shanobi

yea im getting sick of using my laptop for making beats i sold my eps 16 which i loved but i need something with a wave form screen for chopping samples,i was also looking to buy a asr-10 but it stills seems limiting i need a screen,everytime i sit at my casio keyboard(which actually has a sequencer but no sampler) i come up with great idea's then i go back to the computer and loose motivation....im looking to spend under a thousand for some kind of workstation or sampler keyboard with wave editing ,also something that supports me using my laptop as a synth for sounds from vst's and sequence them in the keyboard..what should i consider? and what kind of hassle is it gonna be getting my music back and 4th in to pro tools to track the beats out?

i mean analog is good, but you have so many things in the digital realm as well, better access to editing sounds especiallt synths

[shephurd]

Originally Posted by PettyCash

M-Audio KeyRig 49 from zZounds.com!

...For when you finally decide to make that leap and get serious about your beat making. Only 100 bucks. People spend more than that on unnecessary things without even knowing it.

cheers for the link, I just got myself a korg m50 the other day, defiantly serious about making music... I actually went into the shop to get one of those keyboards u linked my too, but after spending 3 hours checking out all the other gear, decided to get the m50, mostly cause i was sick of using the same pre-sets that come with my software, and this thing had heaps of sound.. chers for the help tho

[Jay-]

dude if you want an ASR10 then nothing is going to make you happy, not korg, not Kurzweil, not nothing not open labs neko... just ASR10.

I have mine sounding like a HOG! Its a dog! Its a riot!!!

Lateley iv been building samples on Steinberg Halion then exporting and converting to ASR10. I really love the virtual keyboard and drag and drop of sampler software.

I have never sampled with my ASR10 because I just got it. (learning)
The scsi flash drive is tops.

Those darn ASR10 are extremely expensive but their is a reason...

Im now doing OLD school hiphop with hip hop CDS from like 1992?
So in the end I sound like the bestie boys and another guy said I was dead nailing Beck Im a looser...

Now all I need is two turn tables and a microphone.
Man the massive crussing bass from the ASR10 and I used mine for 5 hours today.

I have Kore 2 Komplete, Kurzweil, but the ASR is where its at.

Dude, save and get the ASR10 it works with midi soft synths but you might find the core of your SOUND is from the ASR.

Also a guy sells the ENTIRE ASR10 CD-R set (CD-R is the name brand of the collection) Its I think $100 for 13 CDS you will love the lexicon DSP.

HURRY!!!!

[JaeOne3345]

Originally Posted by Leon Freeze

My 2 cents...I'd go with a DAW set-up and dump loot into the latest soft-synths. With a good DAW (Protools, Logic, etc.) a sampler is obsolete. Although many of the classic samplers have a unique sonic character, the accuracy of the audio record/playback is far behind any standard DAW recording @ 24/96.

Disclaimer: I am not salty!

You bring up valid points but the fact the accuracy is far behind any standard DAW is why I like them. My audio interface records things in a sterile fashion. What you put in is what you get. This sonic character as you describe is what is nice about it.

I admit, my software can blow my s950, ensoniq, mpc, and sp-1200 away in terms of possible functions but.....even with a midi controller, the tactile feel is NOT there. The only thing that is similar is triggering pads or playing keys.

Editing data like start and end points just really annoys me using software. I have not found a way to assign battery or kontakt's start and end points to a rotary knob or a data slider on a midi controller. I cannot STAND adjusting start and end points with a mouse (and keep in mind I started on software).

Reminder: I am not a software hater. I think software synths are cool. I often use Logic/Reason in combination as a virtual sound rack. I do all my tracking in software too. I just can't stand software samplers in terms of tactile feel. I have a ton of work done using software, but about 4-5 years ago a friend turned me on to the sp/s950 combo and I have been a slut since.

Someone needs to make a midi controller that interfaces with all the popular soft samplers so that you can switch to different samples with a button press, and edit start/end points, etc like a hardware sampler. Then I would gladly switch back. Another issue is I like the ability to sample right into what I am gonna edit in. I hate recording something, then having to save it and drag it into battery, kontakt, exs24. I know there ARE some soft samplers available now that do let you sample into them, but I just can't get into em.

[Jay-]

Originally Posted by JaeOne3345

Someone needs to make a midi controller that interfaces with all the popular soft samplers so that you can switch to different samples with a button press,.

Kore 2 controller... but it still sounds like ass....

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by shephurd

cheers for the link, I just got myself a korg m50 the other day, defiantly serious about making music... I actually went into the shop to get one of those keyboards u linked my too, but after spending 3 hours checking out all the other gear, decided to get the m50, mostly cause i was sick of using the same pre-sets that come with my software, and this thing had heaps of sound.. chers for the help tho

That's a good call you made man. The more sounds you have the better . In a perfect world, all you would need now is a MPC as the sequencing nucleus of your studio and you are set.

[BiGJiG]

I used reason for a long time but I got Native Instruments KOMPLETE with guitar rig/pro 54/accoustick piano/kontakt/fm8/battery 3.

Coming from reason I found ****ing loading refills and samples took forever. I find the sounds included in komplete (30GB+) are sick and have mad voices behind them much like a motif or fantom would. but that shit is mad loot.

I like the native instruments cuz its easy to get in and switch between sounds quick. trust me doggy... cop that you wont want to **** with any hardware... youll understand at that point software can take on any hardware and software you can always build hardware your kinda stuck except for some expansion shit on some hardware.

You ever heard of a MIKO? i head this is the future open labs or something ruther?

[Aries]

I'd consider selling my asr10 for the right price...

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by BiGJiG

You ever heard of a MIKO? i head this is the future open labs or something ruther?

[KevWest]

you aren't going to find a keyboard style workstation with graphic editing unless you get a Fantom, Triton, Motif ect. And those samplers imo can't hold a candle to the asr10 (except for the fantom). All of which can be bought on ebay for around a grand if not less. My suggestion is to get a mpc 2000xl and a keyboard and get crackin

[Jay-]

xabiton, is the Fantom that good?

My current rig, 4 channels of ASR10 into Nuendo.
Kurzweil K2000rs. 7 channels into Nuendo (No VSTi any more)

I sold my K2600 for FAT cash and looking for something.
I always thought the K2600 to be a contender for "Phat" wide and good OS.
I might pick up a K2600 again but the Fantom that good huh??

[mike dean]

all my old midi gear w a motu interface and all 4 outs of mpc going there too, i can route from and controller to and keyboard on my mac. i sequence on mpc 4k. this way you can sequence on logic , pro tools or mpc . or sequence on mpc and use sounds from logic , etc.