808s & Heartbreak

[The Beatsmith]

[mb650]

Kanye and Lil Wayne are the Oasis of this generation. You tell people you're better than the Beatles and they start believing it...but they come around. You tell people you're "The Best Rapper Alive" and people take notice. Say it enough times and people start believing it...

Both of these guy's music will be forgotten rather quickly. Neither of them are doing anything new and there is no sense of irony or immediacy that has made made hip hop/rap album classics.

It's a funny, gullible world we live in.

[1ManBand]

who engineered it?

[Nahuel]

What happend is we are actually living in a "pop" period. When I was a youth (nineties) the trend was to wear black tims, black hoodies, the music was dark too, nowadays kids wear rainbow clothes and music sounds like a video game... not my taste but hey... different times.

[Ken Lewis]

Originally Posted by 1ManBand

who engineered it?

Manny Marroquin mixed it. He's brilliant. I'm sure Sound EQ did some work on it. Me and Brent Kolatalo engineered the stuff i played.

[1ManBand]

thanks for the info ken.. manny is damnnn good. ur like the strings expert

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by Ken Lewis

Manny Marroquin mixed it. He's brilliant. I'm sure Sound EQ did some work on it. Me and Brent Kolatalo engineered the stuff i played.

the low end on some of the tracks is pure bliss...so evened out and round

[ether88]

he continues to disappoint... college dropout is the best he'll ever do and it was great though, things since then are far from ittutt

[madehumble]

Me and my wife have this thing where every other week we buy a new cd, and we switch it up r and b, hip hop, pop. Well this week we decided to buy Kanye's album and I must say we were disappointed. It did have a couple good moments on the cd, but musically and lyrically this is by far his most subpar work. *** 3 stars out of five.

[Synthy08]

Originally Posted by madehumble

Me and my wife have this thing where every other week we buy a new cd, and we switch it up r and b, hip hop, pop. Well this week we decided to buy Kanye's album and I must say we were disappointed. It did have a couple good moments on the cd, but musically and lyrically this is by far his most subpar work. *** 3 stars out of five.

Best Songs: "Say You Will", "Heartless", "Paranoid", "Street Lights", "Coldest Winter"

[Mortal Engines]

I was reading these posts and realized one thing.....I am not crazy about the current state of R&B. 20 years from now I think people will still be talking about Al Green and Marvin Gaye.... don't know how true that will be about Kanye or T-Pain.

[madehumble]

Originally Posted by Synthy08

Best Songs: "Say You Will", "Heartless", "Paranoid", "Street Lights", "Coldest Winter"

Totally agree

[Silas Holmes]

Maybe Rap is over?

Commercially, I mean.

It seems that the better the lyrical ability the worse are the sales.

If you look at the Clipse, I think they only sold 20.000 units of their last album.

[Synthy08]

Originally Posted by madehumble

Totally agree

I dance around my room like a teenage girl when i crank up "Paranoid"....LOL

[1ManBand]

its a classic, a modern classic.. kanye will be remembered liked them

Originally Posted by Mortal Engines

I was reading these posts and realized one thing.....I am not crazy about the current state of R&B. 20 years from now I think people will still be talking about Al Green and Marvin Gaye.... don't know how true that will be about Kanye or T-Pain.

[n.charlan]

Originally Posted by Synthy08

I dance around my room like a teenage girl when i crank up "Paranoid"....LOL

Me too! My favorite track on this surprisingly mediocre album.

[Ken Lewis]

Originally Posted by Silas Holmes

Maybe Rap is over?

Commercially, I mean.

It seems that the better the lyrical ability the worse are the sales.

If you look at the Clipse, I think they only sold 20.000 units of their last album.

HUH? Lil Wayne 1,000,000 units 1st week and a nomination for Album of the Year. I dont think rap is over commercially

[butterfly]

HUH? Lil Wayne 1,000,000 units 1st week and a nomination for Album of the Year. I dont think rap is over commercially

........erm i think u have unwittingly just renforced the posters point

It seems that the better the lyrical ability the worse are the sales.

........come on, my 6 year old nephew is more articulate and insightful.

[Nahuel]

Originally Posted by butterfly

........erm i think u have unwittingly just renforced the posters point



........come on, my 6 year old nephew is more articulate and insightful.

where's your nephew album/demo? I'd like to chek it out.
Carter 3 was a rap album, you might not like it, that's you, but it's a fact: rap still move units.

[butterfly]

.............I never said that rap doesn't shift units, the origonal poster pointed out that sales were not a reflection of lyrical ability.....................probably a bit of a truism in all forms of pop music really, dumbed down sells. Yip Lil Wayne shifts a lot of units, I don't know what does that tell you? Personally I think he's a pretty ordinary talent.

where's your nephew album/demo? I'd like to chek it out.

.....actually that was me being flippant.

[Nahuel]

Originally Posted by butterfly

.............I never said that rap doesn't shift units, the origonal poster pointed out that sales were not a reflection of lyrical ability.....................probably a bit of a truism in all forms of pop music really, dumbed down sells. Yip Lil Wayne shifts a lot of units, I don't know what does that tell you? Personally I think he's a pretty ordinary talent.

Not my fav rapper but I like some of his songs, his voice tone is really particular. He's very good at dropping songs that today kids like. When somebody is successfull I think to myslef "he must be doing something right".

[Silas Holmes]

Originally Posted by Ken Lewis

HUH? Lil Wayne 1,000,000 units 1st week and a nomination for Album of the Year. I dont think rap is over commercially

That's great. I did not know that. I thought he was also an autotune-singer now.

However, even he seems to be moving away from rap now:

[Ken Lewis]

I think ya'll are mistaking Rap not moving units like it used to, with the fact that the entire industry is not moving units anywhere near like it used to. Typically speaking, the average #20 on the Top 200 charts is pushing about 25,000 units a week, which is an incredibly scary low sales figure.

Whatever you feel about their lyrical prowess or rap-tastic-ness, hip hop artists are still very much moving units. And as with anything else, the true lyricists are still doing fine.... The Game, Jay Z, Kanye, Soldier Boy, Shop Boys........ just seeing if your paying attention

[Synthy08]

Originally Posted by Silas Holmes

That's great. I did not know that. I thought he was also an autotune-singer now.

However, even he seems to be moving away from rap now:

Sweet guitar, what kind is that?

[PolowDaDon]

Kanye Quits music & moves to London to follow a career in fashion.

Yes i realize it almost sounds as gay as the 808 album

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by Silas Holmes

Maybe Rap is over?

Commercially, I mean.

No chance. 808's & Hate. This Lil Wayne clip is better... listen to the women at the beginning of the video... great stuff...

In Defense of Lil Wayne’s Guitar-Playing -- Vulture -- Entertainment & Culture Blog -- New York Magazine

[Synthy08]

Originally Posted by PolowDaDon

Kanye Quits music & moves to London to follow a career in fashion.

Yes i realize it almost sounds as gay as the 808 album

what about you havng a shirtless polowdadon as your main pic? or ALSO naming your self "polow da don".....hop off his dick

[mike dean]

or imposter??

its mike dean

[PolowDaDon]

Originally Posted by Synthy08

what about you havng a shirtless polowdadon as your main pic? or ALSO naming your self "polow da don".....hop off his dick

How dare you insult the 6 pack DON!!!!!... Your not worthy to type within any thread that has been blessed with my presence. tutt

Now be gone with your synthetic self before i am forced to unleash the power of the almighty Apple Loop on your ass. stike

[mike dean]

u need some mixing done? or some co productions holler at yur boy. havent seen u since we cleaned em out at the bmi awards!!!