Poor etiquette from prospective clients.

[7thangelz]

Originally Posted by Kyle S

i think its just the nature of email.

i cant tell you how many companies have ignored emails i sent. stupid question or not, when i email you asking about one of your products and you NEVER respond, your lucky if i deal with you again period. Its happened multiple times and its companies that post on this board.

its so easy to skip over an email which gets marked as read and just ends up being deleted.

i know of one product not related to audio that im skipping on because i inquired over a month ago about the finish on the particular piece and have not received a reply. so **** em. 60 bucks i can spend elsewhere.

lol, that reminds of a company i got my business cards from a couple of times, the last time it never arrived, took forever to get back to me, then i got 'due to problem of our email we never received your inquiry'. so i sent them an email pointing to the fact they have no problem constantly sending me their ads but can't seem to find my emails and such. they got back asked me to explain with the info, then it was rinse and repeat once i did that. since gave up. wasn't much money but it pissed me off. another situation with a well known music retailer, and many will say despite their size they're very hands on and have great cust. ser., but i'm still waiting on catalogs i was assured would come and a couple of unanswered emails, but that hasn't really tarnished my image of the place, but at the same time, i won't bother askin' again.

[7thangelz]

Originally Posted by bgrotto

Ummm....congratulations?

Sorry, but I don't see your point. Are you one of the folks that emailed me about mix rates? Did I charge too much, in your opinion? Is your production credit an excuse for poor manners?

I'm not trying to be on the offensive with you, I'm just not really sure what you're getting at.

i'm thinkin' it's about me sayin' that a few people i know that dealt with 50 said he was professional but i have no idea what the point dude was gettin' at

[bgrotto]

Originally Posted by 7thangelz

i'm thinkin' it's about me sayin' that a few people i know that dealt with 50 said he was professional but i have no idea what the point dude was gettin' at

Ummm...name-droppin' maybe? Weirdness, whatever the angle.

[Gbrown]

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

Some rapper type moron called and wanted to book four and a half minutes of time.
Talk about stupid!!

That reminds me of this:

[ryst]

Just wanted to clarify because it seemed like a couple people here didn't understand what I was saying...which is probably my fault. I'm not complaining. I actually don't really give a shit too much, kinda like Rick. Just pointing out a couple things that we all have to deal with as full time dudes at some point or another. But it comes with the territory so I fully accept it. But I can't really complain. And even though this wasn't really the point of Benny's thread..... I'm doing well. And so is Benny!

[stilts27]

Originally Posted by Gbrown

That reminds me of this:

lmfao!!!! I still do that ish til this day...that scene is classic..

to the original post - I would not stress it - it can be frustrating though sometimes..common courtesy in general in today's society has depleted drastically - and when I show it (because my momma didn't raise no foo) at times I get awkward/stunned looks...trips me out..I just go about my day though..

[ProducedbyRegg]

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

so..please explain what you meant then by a record on an album???

i was saying a record.... meaning a song..... on a album..meaning a collection of songs.. im not quite sure what u misunderstand exactly sir.. i made the post because i thought it was ironic to randomly be in a thread and someone be discussing that being i have had to do business with them. Thats all. I don't mean for anyone to get off topic. Thanks

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by ProducedbyRegg

i was saying a record.... meaning a song..... on a album..meaning a collection of songs.. im not quite sure what u misunderstand exactly sir.. i made the post because i thought it was ironic to randomly be in a thread and someone be discussing that being i have had to do business with them. Thats all. I don't mean for anyone to get off topic. Thanks

A graduate of the alanis morisette school of irony...

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

A graduate of the alanis morisette school of irony...

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by ProducedbyRegg

i was saying a record.... meaning a song..... on a album..meaning a collection of songs.. im not quite sure what u misunderstand exactly sir.. i made the post because i thought it was ironic to randomly be in a thread and someone be discussing that being i have had to do business with them. Thats all. I don't mean for anyone to get off topic. Thanks

A record is a record and a song is an embodiment of a musical composition which is made into a record.
You should always make yourself clear when you refer to the various terminology which is used by recording professionals.

[nukmusic]

Originally Posted by bgrotto

This past year or so I've been getting emails and PMs damn near every day from various rappers and beatmakers asking me for my engineering/mixing/production rates, to which I always politely reply with a detailed description of exactly what the service entails and list of rates and options.

Nine out of ten times, I never hear a response back; am I the only one that feels this is rude? Is it so difficult to respond with as little as a "Thanks for your time"?

When I'm in the similar position of calling around town to hammer out logistics for my clients' records, not returning calls to studios and mastering engineers with whom I've been in touch would certainly reflect poorly on me in the professional community. Even a simple "thanks, but no thanks" works.

Maybe it's the Midwestern-raised politeness my mother beat into me as a little kid, but these non-responses strike me as rude and unprofessional.

This rant belongs in the Moan Zone, I suppose, but oddly enough, this all seems to happen almost exclusively with the rap/hip-hop set. What's up with that?!?


My mother would be very disappointed in you. Not angry, just disappointed.

same way down South. At times it lots of calls and emails...but no go. The funniest thing is its kinda hard to predict who will be a go. Had a few people that I was like.."Naa they bullshittin" but ended up becoming good clients.

[phillysoulman]

So called "Christian" artists are the worst.
When I was told to "charge it to the Lord, well that was it.
Check my sig..it relates to those kind of scenarios.

[Mr.Cheese]

lol..

[Heezzi]

Originally Posted by bgrotto

This past year or so I've been getting emails and PMs damn near every day from various rappers and beatmakers asking me for my engineering/mixing/production rates, to which I always politely reply with a detailed description of exactly what the service entails and list of rates and options.

Nine out of ten times, I never hear a response back; am I the only one that feels this is rude? Is it so difficult to respond with as little as a "Thanks for your time"?


This rant belongs in the Moan Zone, I suppose, but oddly enough, this all seems to happen almost exclusively with the rap/hip-hop set. What's up with that?!?

I ran across this thread and I thought, "Is this about me?". I know I sent a pm to you asking this very question. In my case, I have to budget the cost. You have good rates. I guess that is why I say thanks in advance because it takes time to respond to someone.

[ryst]

Originally Posted by Heezzi

I ran across this thread and I thought, "Is this about me?". I know I sent a pm to you asking this very question. In my case, I have to budget the cost. You have good rates. I guess that is why I say thanks in advance because it takes time to respond to someone.

Don't worry Heezi, I'm sure it's not about you. You're fine.

[frank lyon]

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

Its just that their mommas never taught them any better.
Its a pity that some folks just cant stop "being so ghetto" that they dont know how to conduct business in a professional manner.

I concur with the above statement.

[nukmusic]

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

So called "Christian" artists are the worst.
When I was told to "charge it to the Lord, well that was it.
Check my sig..it relates to those kind of scenarios.

yep

even had a few say crazy shit in "gospel" sessions.

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by nukmusic

yep

even had a few say crazy shit in "gospel" sessions.

Oh yeah....freeking hypocrites.
If they're gonna talk the talk,they should walk the walk.
I left my "church" for similar reasons...from the "pastor" with his suv with spinners,all the way down to the hoochie mama "ladies"
Talk about "pimps in the pulpit"

Gimme a break.

[T. Gundersen]

I'm one of those guys that have learned to say thank you for your time when replied to in detail. I still feel this is the appropriate manner to communicate, but there are times where I've felt I was unnecessarily mailing busy people my thank you's because they didn't need that kind of courtesy (hope I'm expressing myself correctly here, english isn't my first language).

So in other words, it might not always be bad etiquette that makes people not answer like that. In some cases, it might just be people thinking that's the appropriate way to do things..

[frank lyon]

I've always thought it was best to err on the side of gratitude.

[bgrotto]

Originally Posted by T. Gundersen

I'm one of those guys that have learned to say thank you for your time when replied to in detail. I still feel this is the appropriate manner to communicate, but there are times where I've felt I was unnecessarily mailing busy people my thank you's because they didn't need that kind of courtesy (hope I'm expressing myself correctly here, english isn't my first language).

So in other words, it might not always be bad etiquette that makes people not answer like that. In some cases, it might just be people thinking that's the appropriate way to do things..

In the case of asking someone for rates/advice/etc, you should never feel it's unnecessary to respond with a thank you. If nothing else, it lets the mixer/engineer/whoever know that you received his response. And unless you're particularly long-winded in your "thank yous", I don't think anyone, no matter how busy they are, wouldn't have the time to check a two-word email.

[Synthy08]

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

Oh yeah....freeking hypocrites.
If they're gonna talk the talk,they should walk the walk.
I left my "church" for similar reasons...from the "pastor" with his suv with spinners,all the way down to the hoochie mama "ladies"
Talk about "pimps in the pulpit"
Gimme a break.

That reminds me of this..lol