FYI: a sampler IS an INSTRUMENT

[jedilaw]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

Its not the same though IMO, there are merits in chosing sampling as a method to get the results. If thats what is called for so be it, whats up with the formulas? A painting will never look like a collage and vice versa. Its odd IMO to assume that an artist into collage would automaticaly progress by switching to painting.

That's an excellent point. The one does not necessarily lead to the other, nor does it have to.

Anyone who can listen to the work of someone like RJD2, DJ Shadow, etc. and not think those cats are actual real-life musicians is...I dunno. I was gonna say "doesn't know shit about music" but it might be more accurate to say "has an overly restricted idea about what music is."

[illacov]

Originally Posted by jedilaw

That's an excellent point. The one does not necessarily lead to the other, nor does it have to.

Anyone who can listen to the work of someone like RJD2, DJ Shadow, etc. and not think those cats are actual real-life musicians is...I dunno. I was gonna say "doesn't know shit about music" but it might be more accurate to say "has an overly restricted idea about what music is."

DJ Shadow and others, who are great producers.

I'm talking bout Marley Marl and Melle Mel!

The founders my man!

SO actually when you think about it, collage did progress to composition on some levels and vice versa.

Grandmaster Flash did spin breaks and grooves from other records together but there was also stuff that he made up that was dope too.

So its not a forced progression but there's not much progression and usually when it does happen it appears to be frowned upon unless we fake it being a sample.

Weird.

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Illumination

[Zionpro]

anyone who really listens to music and knows the difference between looping a section of a record and "flipping" would never say a sampler is not an instrument. People who say otherwise are ignorant about the art of sampling.

[jude]

Originally Posted by Teo Macero

actually they do it in Dance music all the time as well, and it's "genius" when Aphex Twins, Junkie XL or Amon Tobin does it, but when it comes to Hip-Hop it's "stealing".

really, take JXL out of there and i might agree that its genius the way aphex an amon use samples.

[gearaddict]

Sure fine great...lets hire live players have them play whatever we want and then flip that. Either way until you bridge the gap between the musician and the producer/dj you have a very cyclic phase going on in hip hop music.


Ok..what I dont understand is..in the senario above...why flip it..what is the problem...why not just get the idea in your head..have it played and record the damn thing...why use someone elses music...I guess it's just me..I just laugh when I here a song on the radio with a old 70's song sampled in there looping over and over..my wife looks at me and say's..wow that sounds like what our 10 year old son does when you let him play with your computer.(I installed FL so my kid has something to play with). I know a lot of you are great musicians..but when you chop up the same thing the kid down the street is doing in fruity loops it makes it seem like both are equal...now on the other hand..if you took the great music thats in your head and played every track with instruments..well..not everybody can do that..

Once again...We all love creating music so go do it..I know I spend way to much time on here reading about gear and not useing mine!!

[peterpiper0815]

Originally Posted by Zionpro

anyone who really listens to music and knows the difference between looping a section of a record and "flipping" would never say a sampler is not an instrument. People who say otherwise are ignorant about the art of sampling.

there is also an art called DIGGIN :) I dont care if a section is looped or flipped. As long as the beat is hot......the beat is hot. What about Premo or PR? What about Showbiz and AG? They all looped stuff. So many classic HipHop Tracks were just loops or collages of loops. To me its not always bout flippin samples to hell. If there is a loop and it is taken out of its original context and put into something new or just have a special vibe its just right for me. Ok I wouldn't call a "Loopdigger" a musician but something like an audio artist and of course his instrument is the sampler. peace

[peterpiper0815]

[quote=gearaddict;3525783]
now on the other hand..if you took the great music thats in your head and played every track with instruments..well..not everybody can do that..

for sure but if someone could play all the instruments does not mean that he has the money to recreate a kind of "70s signal way" when recording. And its also not really easy to create a feeling or vibe of a 70s band when you dont have a band ;) As far as I interpret sampling (in HipHop) its just the next step in evolution of DJing. The sampler gets the job of the turntables (loop the breaks).

[illacov]

[quote=peterpiper0815;3525825]

Originally Posted by gearaddict

now on the other hand..if you took the great music thats in your head and played every track with instruments..well..not everybody can do that..

for sure but if someone could play all the instruments does not mean that he has the money to recreate a kind of "70s signal way" when recording. And its also not really easy to create a feeling or vibe of a 70s band when you dont have a band ;) As far as I interpret sampling (in HipHop) its just the next step in evolution of DJing. The sampler gets the job of the turntables (loop the breaks).

Have u tried it though?

You put alot of weight on signal path vs arrangement and composition.

I did the sampling thing for years around 10 to be exact.

In response to just tracking a dope song. Thats been my point. I dont seek to replace sample based music I am making music the way I want to. I prefer live instruments plain and simple. They provide much more energy and immediacy. Create your vinyl. Dig yourself.

Peace
Illumination

[gearaddict]

[quote=illacov;3526827]

Originally Posted by peterpiper0815

Have u tried it though?

You put alot of weight on signal path vs arrangement and composition.

I did the sampling thing for years around 10 to be exact.

In response to just tracking a dope song. Thats been my point. I dont seek to replace sample based music I am making music the way I want to. I prefer live instruments plain and simple. They provide much more energy and immediacy. Create your vinyl. Dig yourself.

Peace
Illumination

Ya i have tried it..I do it every day..I used to sample..but when I get a idea in my head I just load pt..plug in a bass and lay it down..start playing on the v-drums till I find a grove that fit's the bass line, then it's on to guitar if need be..I just got done laying down a guitar part with a screaming deamon waw waw pedal today...then the ear candy...strings, synths whatever!!

[illacov]

[quote=gearaddict;3526954]

Originally Posted by illacov

Ya i have tried it..I do it every day..I used to sample..but when I get a idea in my head I just load pt..plug in a bass and lay it down..start playing on the v-drums till I find a grove that fit's the bass line, then it's on to guitar if need be..I just got done laying down a guitar part with a screaming deamon waw waw pedal today...then the ear candy...strings, synths whatever!!

What's all this business about a 70s signal chain blah blah??

Have you considered that if a kid gets a 400 dollar computer with a 600 dollar multi i/o sound card w/ built in pres (like the ART TubeFire), a 50 dollar copy of reaper that he's eclipsed the capabilities of most mpcs??

1050 bucks gets you a whole little project studio.

He could cop a used reel to reel for about 200 bucks to warm things up, get his hands on a few SM58/SM57s (300 dollars). He would be able to record guitars bass, drums and anything else his heart desires and depending on arrangement, he could do some pretty convincing stuff. Of course he could keep adding better mics etc, but the point is you don't need all the crazy gear in the world because they didn't always use all of that stuff in the 70s either. Sometimes the more lofi your stuff is, the older it will sound. Old dynamics from the thrift shop equal instant timewarp!

Try a nice LaFayette Dynamic (you might have to rewire it) but man oh man does that thing make some nice recordings!

Course I have tons of cool mics and cool old school preamps from the 70s. But like I said I stopped sampling a long ago so all that money spent on samplers and workstations got put into recording equipment instead.

I say if someone wants to get into using live instruments they should just give it a whirl.

If you have good guitars and basses with good pickups, you can always run DI into the computer, a good deal of old school stuff was DI'd. That's one less battle to fight. I'd also try recording drums with as few mics as possible. Maybe a mono overhead, a kick and a snare mic. Go for the basics.

Just to add a nice little zinger to peoples perception of how live instruments can't touch sampled hip hop.

Has anyone heard of Breakestra??

INCREDIBLE AWESOME BAND!

They play nothing but the "breaks" and it is f**kin dope how they just jump into these tunes and its like you're listening to the record!

Anyone care to play name that sample??



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Illumination

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by illacov

Just to add a nice little zinger to peoples perception of how live instruments can't touch sampled hip hop.

Has anyone heard of Breakestra??

INCREDIBLE AWESOME BAND!

Yes I have heard of Breakestra, incredible band I agree. But I wouldn´t say that they sound like their songs are made up of samples. I have worked with some incredible musicians, there is a place for that, and there might be a place for using a sample. Depends on what your preferences are and what you are trying to achive IMO.

[illacov]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

Yes I have heard of Breakestra, incredible band I agree. But I wouldn´t say that they sound like their songs are made up of samples. I have worked with some incredible musicians, there is a place for that, and there might be a place for using a sample. Depends on what your preferences are and what you are trying to achive IMO.

But having guys and gals that can play like that at your disposal means you can go places you can't with digs...

I guess like you said, what a person wants to do with their music and how they approach it is the key factor.

I really like being able to make a phone call and a brass section shows up at my studio, along with 2 guitarists, a drummer, a keyboard player and a bassist.

Shit like that makes the whole trouble/fun I go thru of recording beyond worth it.

I'm just curious if its really that widespread for the average producer/"beatmaker" to compose something with his/her keyboards or beatbox it and then have a player translate that to their instrument. That's the only way I work right now, but its better than playing sampled instruments which in many cases have become mock ups for the real thing now and it eliminates the need for me to dig or worry about clearances.

Now samplers are indeed instruments and have their immediate uses, like ser effects on phrases, oddball effects on snippets of your recordings, I mean there is a long list of stuff you can do with samplers that doesn't involve digging vinyl or clearances. So like I said I keep my samplers handy but (and here's maybe where I confused people) I don't dig anymore.

I learned too many things in the past 5 years that allow me to either do the modern thing or do the old school to mid school thing to our recordings. So now I just have a healthy respect for older music and a huge desire to come up with the best grooves possible with my ever changing line up of players.

Still dying to get my hands on a string quartet for a song or two. MAN that would be sick.


I know you can always fly in strings from a e session like Chris Melchior strings, but its not the same as being there.

Peace
Illumination

[gearaddict]

[quote=illacov;3527109]

Originally Posted by gearaddict

What's all this business about a 70s signal chain blah blah??

Have you considered that if a kid gets a 400 dollar computer with a 600 dollar multi i/o sound card w/ built in pres (like the ART TubeFire), a 50 dollar copy of reaper that he's eclipsed the capabilities of most mpcs??

1050 bucks gets you a whole little project studio.

He could cop a used reel to reel for about 200 bucks to warm things up, get his hands on a few SM58/SM57s (300 dollars). He would be able to record guitars bass, drums and anything else his heart desires and depending on arrangement, he could do some pretty convincing stuff. Of course he could keep adding better mics etc, but the point is you don't need all the crazy gear in the world because they didn't always use all of that stuff in the 70s either. Sometimes the more lofi your stuff is, the older it will sound. Old dynamics from the thrift shop equal instant timewarp!

Try a nice LaFayette Dynamic (you might have to rewire it) but man oh man does that thing make some nice recordings!

Course I have tons of cool mics and cool old school preamps from the 70s. But like I said I stopped sampling a long ago so all that money spent on samplers and workstations got put into recording equipment instead.

I say if someone wants to get into using live instruments they should just give it a whirl.

If you have good guitars and basses with good pickups, you can always run DI into the computer, a good deal of old school stuff was DI'd. That's one less battle to fight. I'd also try recording drums with as few mics as possible. Maybe a mono overhead, a kick and a snare mic. Go for the basics.

Just to add a nice little zinger to peoples perception of how live instruments can't touch sampled hip hop.

Has anyone heard of Breakestra??

INCREDIBLE AWESOME BAND!

They play nothing but the "breaks" and it is f**kin dope how they just jump into these tunes and its like you're listening to the record!

Anyone care to play name that sample??



Peace
Illumination

WTF are you talking about 70's signal chain..who said that...I was talking about sampling 70's records..wow!!!

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by illacov

But having guys and gals that can play like that at your disposal means you can go places you can't with digs...

Yes but, just like a musician might think of sampling as "cheating" a samplist could consider using a musician "cheating".

Originally Posted by illacov

I guess like you said, what a person wants to do with their music and how they approach it is the key factor.

I believe so yes.

Originally Posted by illacov

So like I said I keep my samplers handy but (and here's maybe where I confused people) I don't dig anymore.

No, I think that´s pretty clear.

Originally Posted by illacov

I learned too many things in the past 5 years that allow me to either do the modern thing or do the old school to mid school thing to our recordings. So now I just have a healthy respect for older music and a huge desire to come up with the best grooves possible with my ever changing line up of players.

Is it using musicians you are refering to as modern? Take Breakestra as an example, that basicaly sounds like funk did 35 years ago, albeit with more break oriented arrangements perhaps. Thats cool, I definately like that sound but is that really progress in a general sence? I mean it´s cool if a few bands does this but what if everyone did it, would it still be interesting? Wouldn´t it be like stepping into a time machine, going back before Cool Herc. Of course you could argue that it was Cool Herc that discovered the value of the break and new music has inherrited from that. You could add rap I suppose, styles and techniques has definately evolved but then, there were guys like Gil Scott Heron.

Originally Posted by illacov

Still dying to get my hands on a string quartet for a song or two. MAN that would be sick.


I know you can always fly in strings from a e session like Chris Melchior strings, but its not the same as being there.

Peace
Illumination

That would definately be cool! But something like that mixed with samples can make interesting reslults as well, think unfinished sympathy by massive attack.

[illacov]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

Yes but, just like a musician might think of sampling as "cheating" a samplist could consider using a musician "cheating".



I believe so yes.



No, I think that´s pretty clear.



Is it using musicians you are refering to as modern? Take Breakestra as an example, that basicaly sounds like funk did 35 years ago, albeit with more break oriented arrangements perhaps. Thats cool, I definately like that sound but is that really progress in a general sence? I mean it´s cool if a few bands does this but what if everyone did it, would it still be interesting? Wouldn´t it be like stepping into a time machine, going back before Cool Herc. Of course you could argue that it was Cool Herc that discovered the value of the break and new music has inherrited from that. You could add rap I suppose, styles and techniques has definately evolved but then, there were guys like Gil Scott Heron.



That would definately be cool! But something like that mixed with samples can make interesting reslults as well, think unfinished sympathy by massive attack.

The samplist has alot of reasons to simply seek the perfect dig, due to there being alot of already flawless recordings in circulation. Once you find that perfect groove you are free to do what you want with it. And you get the cred for discovering it, if you are the guy that actually releases it first

There is indeed an art to finding a good sample and flipping it or not, taste is key in all of this, but this is all subjective stuff.

Me the straw that broke the camel's back well actually two straws, was when two of my best digs got surfaced on somebody else's stuff. Now I'd released one of them as an interpolated sample, the other was really a big mixtape thing and only got so far as Canada. Both sample's were pretty obscure kind of out there stuff, you know those records that "nobody" will ever find?

Both samples were from dope songs.

One was Cerebrus (I think?) By Procol Harum. It was used for Jay Z's song Public Service Announcement. You can see it on the Dirt off your shoulders video at the end. Dope band by the way. Dope sample. Lots of other dope stuff by them out there that hasnt been used yet as far as I know.

The other was War of the Gods by Billy Paul. This sample was used for Ludacriss's song War of the Gods(z)?? Now mind you this was like years and years after i used this stuff. I didn't say somebody stole my finds, I said at this point I'm beyond certain that there's no such thing as an unknown record. A true samplist will look everywhere for a good dig.

So I left the vinyl alone. That and along with the death of "biting," made me say to hell with it lol.

I always thought that sampled hip hop music was really into groovy stuff, that pretty much 80 to 90 percent of the time was performed by bands. When you think about it I'm not that far off the mark.

I still go about things the normal way production wise, just use people instead of samples. I still have the boom bap drums mixed in with the live drums. Still have many cool DJs come thru and lay cuts. Dunno, don't see how this is impure compared to sampled hip hop SINCE and nobody has yet to address this, hip hop AIN'T all about SAMPLES.

You guys are fooling yourselves thinking that we didn't have some great composers in the early years laying down dope tracks for our favorite pioneer emcees to rap to. Yes they also sampled as well, but they could hold it down with the instruments.

Quoted From Remixmag.com

The new concoction spawned a slew of fresh-sounding, club-booming records that hip-hop kids embraced. “In the parks is where it got started,” Marl says. “I had the [sound] system, and there was an incredible community of musicians [living in Queensbridge]. They would bring their keyboards, guitars and basses, and we'd run it through my stuff and just get it going.”

From the man's mouth himself ya'll. I just don't want this to turn into pure versus impure.

In regards to how dope would it be if everybody had live musicians doing one particular genre/vibe for hip hop?? It would be as dope as the people making the music. You act like ALOT of people don't sample the same genre/vibe/feel now. Are you kidding me?? LOL.

If you really want to chew on something, imagine how BIG OF A DEAL it is for Dr. Dre to use LIVE DRUMS. There was a thread on here about how he was going to use live drums and everybody did backflips like thats so dope!! If you think about it live drums are instruments, people play them well or poorly, record them well or poorly and thats it they are there for you to use, learn or record. Another tool available to whoever wants to use them.

Just think its kind of sad that we make a big deal out of a standard instrument. You would think that hip hop which is a cutting edge artform would be well in touch with all the instruments out there. That whole reaction is about as sad a child reacting to paprika like paprika is special.

I mean come on yo, even when we talk about drum samples and whatnot, I continuously hear people claiming yo those samples sound like real drums. Damn did you play it on a kit? Or yo those pianos sound real on that Fantom or do you think that you can get better sounding guitars on a Motif?? Seems to me like people are still in search of the real on a broader level. So why not get to that level??

Producers using more live instruments is not the death of hip hop on any level, but it may be the birth of a new era. We need to start working on the core of it all again and get those people who can make real grooves, real hot tracks more so into the spotlight. That's how i see it anyways. This way it helps to truly diversify the artform.

To be honest I think that more people getting into instruments in hip hop will do WAY more for hip hop than more people getting into sampling old soul records that somebody already sampled, so that an r and b group can interpolate that 6 months later.

I just see it being a little more genuine of an effort to craft something COMPLETELY new since we have so many people trying to flip stuff instead of create stuff. Learning an instrument like a drum set or a guitar demonstrates alot about the individual playing it. There are plenty of people out there who sample and play instruments. Their stuff (the good ones) sound incredible. But part of me always says that without the samples they used they would still have dope songs. Its almost like the sample is to shut people up, so that they beat is more "authenic" on some opinion based level.

Anyhoo, I'm shutting up.

Thoughts anyone??

Peace
Illumination

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by illacov

I still go about things the normal way production wise, just use people instead of samples. I still have the boom bap drums mixed in with the live drums. Still have many cool DJs come thru and lay cuts. Dunno, don't see how this is impure compared to sampled hip hop SINCE and nobody has yet to address this, hip hop AIN'T all about SAMPLES.

I never said anything about any aproach being impure! Thats important, all I´m saying is sampling has it´s place even in the context of digging. This thread is about sampling.

I never said anything about old school records not using musicians, I know that was the case. And the sampler was not invented yet.

But I think of sampling as a DJ´s way of creating music. Kool Herc used two TT to create longer breaks, its normal that the sampler takes this further. But when you think about it, it´s actually pretty odd that hip-hop made it on to records and didn´t just stay at the party. Anyway the bottom line that I have emphesized all the time is that if something sound new or old comes down to how you use the instrument, not what instrument you use.

[phillysoulman]

I never sampled anything...not that I cant, but I just dont.
I prefer the real thing in real time.

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by illacov

The samplist has alot of reasons to simply seek the perfect dig, due to there being alot of already flawless recordings in circulation. Once you find that perfect groove you are free to do what you want with it. And you get the cred for discovering it, if you are the guy that actually releases it first

There is indeed an art to finding a good sample and flipping it or not, taste is key in all of this, but this is all subjective stuff.

Me the straw that broke the camel's back well actually two straws, was when two of my best digs got surfaced on somebody else's stuff. Now I'd released one of them as an interpolated sample, the other was really a big mixtape thing and only got so far as Canada. Both sample's were pretty obscure kind of out there stuff, you know those records that "nobody" will ever find?

Both samples were from dope songs.

One was Cerebrus (I think?) By Procol Harum. It was used for Jay Z's song Public Service Announcement. You can see it on the Dirt off your shoulders video at the end. Dope band by the way. Dope sample. Lots of other dope stuff by them out there that hasnt been used yet as far as I know.

The other was War of the Gods by Billy Paul. This sample was used for Ludacriss's song War of the Gods(z)?? Now mind you this was like years and years after i used this stuff. I didn't say somebody stole my finds, I said at this point I'm beyond certain that there's no such thing as an unknown record. A true samplist will look everywhere for a good dig.

So I left the vinyl alone. That and along with the death of "biting," made me say to hell with it lol.

I always thought that sampled hip hop music was really into groovy stuff, that pretty much 80 to 90 percent of the time was performed by bands. When you think about it I'm not that far off the mark.

I still go about things the normal way production wise, just use people instead of samples. I still have the boom bap drums mixed in with the live drums. Still have many cool DJs come thru and lay cuts. Dunno, don't see how this is impure compared to sampled hip hop SINCE and nobody has yet to address this, hip hop AIN'T all about SAMPLES.

You guys are fooling yourselves thinking that we didn't have some great composers in the early years laying down dope tracks for our favorite pioneer emcees to rap to. Yes they also sampled as well, but they could hold it down with the instruments.

Quoted From Remixmag.com

The new concoction spawned a slew of fresh-sounding, club-booming records that hip-hop kids embraced. “In the parks is where it got started,” Marl says. “I had the [sound] system, and there was an incredible community of musicians [living in Queensbridge]. They would bring their keyboards, guitars and basses, and we'd run it through my stuff and just get it going.”

From the man's mouth himself ya'll. I just don't want this to turn into pure versus impure.

In regards to how dope would it be if everybody had live musicians doing one particular genre/vibe for hip hop?? It would be as dope as the people making the music. You act like ALOT of people don't sample the same genre/vibe/feel now. Are you kidding me?? LOL.

If you really want to chew on something, imagine how BIG OF A DEAL it is for Dr. Dre to use LIVE DRUMS. There was a thread on here about how he was going to use live drums and everybody did backflips like thats so dope!! If you think about it live drums are instruments, people play them well or poorly, record them well or poorly and thats it they are there for you to use, learn or record. Another tool available to whoever wants to use them.

Just think its kind of sad that we make a big deal out of a standard instrument. You would think that hip hop which is a cutting edge artform would be well in touch with all the instruments out there. That whole reaction is about as sad a child reacting to paprika like paprika is special.

I mean come on yo, even when we talk about drum samples and whatnot, I continuously hear people claiming yo those samples sound like real drums. Damn did you play it on a kit? Or yo those pianos sound real on that Fantom or do you think that you can get better sounding guitars on a Motif?? Seems to me like people are still in search of the real on a broader level. So why not get to that level??

Producers using more live instruments is not the death of hip hop on any level, but it may be the birth of a new era. We need to start working on the core of it all again and get those people who can make real grooves, real hot tracks more so into the spotlight. That's how i see it anyways. This way it helps to truly diversify the artform.

To be honest I think that more people getting into instruments in hip hop will do WAY more for hip hop than more people getting into sampling old soul records that somebody already sampled, so that an r and b group can interpolate that 6 months later.

I just see it being a little more genuine of an effort to craft something COMPLETELY new since we have so many people trying to flip stuff instead of create stuff. Learning an instrument like a drum set or a guitar demonstrates alot about the individual playing it. There are plenty of people out there who sample and play instruments. Their stuff (the good ones) sound incredible. But part of me always says that without the samples they used they would still have dope songs. Its almost like the sample is to shut people up, so that they beat is more "authenic" on some opinion based level.

Anyhoo, I'm shutting up.

Thoughts anyone??

Peace
Illumination

Re: War Of The Gods..that was one of the gadzillion sessions that I played my axe on.

[illacov]

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

Re: War Of The Gods..that was one of the gadzillion sessions that I played my axe on.

Now when you really think about it...that's another thing about being into music that floors me.

I have the opportunity to walk and talk with great musicians with great musicians because I network and work with (by choice) musicians instead of record players and samplers. This ain't to say that guys who sample won't but my results are more immediate because I only work with musicians, plus we play live shows, so I meet em straight up. Philly you never know, one day I might be asking you questions in person. Hey if somebody told me a year ago that I would be friends with Black Uhuru's guitar player I would have told them they were nuts, but lo and behold here I am. Being involved in that realm of music creation opens alot of avenues for you creatively as well as materially. I get inspired just standing around other musicians listening to them talk.

I listen to great records from our past and just respect them now.

To quote my friend Frank Stepanek (look him up): Here's my music, F**K you where's yours??

Samplers CAN be used musically.

However a good deal of people who are sampling records aren't really doing much. I don't care if you chop up a sample 96 different ways, just so it fits a tempo, if you can tell what song it is you used, then to me that's far from creative.

I know how hard it is to record good songs and then mix them and then edit and arrange them. To be honest I would be beyond pissed if somebody sampled me. Yeah I would get paid but still, I know how much time I took to get music on the brain and functional. Sure the sampling part is possible if people like your shit but still. Like Frank said, where's your music?? Don't musicians make up music??


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Illumination