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Old 18th September 2008, 02:48 AM   #1
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Note detection ?

Is there any way to detect a note with a VST or application ?, for example i sampled a piano riff that contained 4 clear notes. I could make out a C, G and B but the last note had me stumped. So is there any way to analyse the note and have the PC tell you what note it is or even a ball park esterment ?
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There are some guitar-tuner-type plug ins that work well for this, but the best thing to do is, well, just "analyze" the note with your ears and "apply" your brain to figure out the note!

Seriously, slaving over a note or two this way (we've all done it, well...at least those of us without perfect pitch) is a GREAT ear-training exercise. Yeah, it's a total pain in the ass, but after you do it a few times, it becomes real easy (even easier than using a plug, in fact!).

Good luck, though, whichever path you choose to take.
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Is there any way to detect a note with a VST or application ?, for example i sampled a piano riff that contained 4 clear notes. I could make out a C, G and B but the last note had me stumped. So is there any way to analyse the note and have the PC tell you what note it is or even a ball park esterment ?
From my experience, if I'm stumped at the note, the computer will most likely be as well... this usually occurs in really low bass and low volume instrument experiencing masking from other instruments in the same frequency range. Why can't you tell what note it is? Upload it and send me a PM with the link, maybe I can help.
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I forgot to mention another useful trick: when dealing with ultra low bass notes, try pitching the note up an octave and see if you (or your preferred plug in) can't figure it out that way.

Just be sure to either create a new track to pitch the note up, or allow yourself the ability to undo the pitch up, so you're still dealing with a first-generation sound.
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Thanks for all your helps guys, i know the best way is just to practice but i just want to see how close/far off i really was. What are some of the "guitar-tuner-type plug" you mentioned also can i just have the note open in Sound Forge and run the VST or do i have to play the sound into my DI ?
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That may be the best advice so far.
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Old 18th September 2008, 09:11 AM   #8
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try to figure out what scale its in, that will narrow your options down. if you play the first few notes of the song on a keyboard whether the note your stuck on goes up or down, you'll know theres only a few left to choose from, then choose what sounds like it the most.

if its just the piano, and no other instruments, try a audio>midi file coverter. i hear they can be accurate with simple one instrument songs like drums esp., or if its just a simple piano riff.
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Thanks for all your helps guys, i know the best way is just to practice but i just want to see how close/far off i really was. What are some of the "guitar-tuner-type plug" you mentioned also can i just have the note open in Sound Forge and run the VST or do i have to play the sound into my DI ?
If you can't play a few notes on the keyboard and work out which note is the same as the one you're trying to analyse..maybe music isn't the right career/hobby for you!

that is really the easiest way. It SHOULD be really f**king obvious if two notes are in unison or not. Assuming you're not transcribing weird extended jazz chords. In which case you have my deepest sympathy. I had to transcribe a couple of minutes of jason rebello's piano playing once...that's not a task I'd wish upon dylansmale....
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Sometimes the phattest chords you want to decipher are on a distorted rhodes sound, so many harmonics it's almost impossible to figure out, even for a classically trained musician. I don't know of any software that can do it!
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k-tuner is a good free VST tuner.
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Is there any way to detect a note with a VST or application ?, for example i sampled a piano riff that contained 4 clear notes. I could make out a C, G and B but the last note had me stumped. So is there any way to analyse the note and have the PC tell you what note it is or even a ball park esterment ?

Use Adobe Audition's 2 FFT Spectrum Analyser, and set a larger FFT size like 32000hz.. or use Melodyne. They have the most accurate pitch analysers I have tested so far. If you are pitch analysing drum sounds I'd recomend Adobe Audition over Melodyne tho.. since it's percussive detection is still pretty sloppy even in the newest version
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i've tried autotune, waves tune and the Melodyne is my pick.
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