since i've been reading posts here i've come to the conclusion

[tonyscarbones]

that it seems like the engineers do more as far as creating the sound and vibe than most of the producers do

[bgrotto]

Originally Posted by tonyscarbones

that it seems like the engineers do more as far as creating the sound and vibe than most of the producers do

Not in most genres of music, and not when we're working with real, professional producers.

[nukmusic]

Originally Posted by bgrotto

Not in most genres of music, and not when we're working with real, professional producers.

co sign..

But I see where he's going with his statement. It just depends on the level of talent you're working with. As far as gear choices and recording techniques..yes you can say that! The recording engineer might also make small suggestions to the producer if they have that type of relationship.

But as bgrotto said, when you have an experienced producer or musician they WILL tell you what (& sometimes "how") they need things recorded. You can pretty much just sit back and do what you're told.

[tonyscarbones]

it seems like bob power was the genius behind atcq beats

or possibly mike dean for kanye

[nukmusic]

Originally Posted by tonyscarbones

it seems like bob power was the genius behind atcq beats

or possibly mike dean for kanye

Well... na you have to step back and understand what's going on.

there are engineers that only have knowledge of engineering. Be it recording, mixing, or both.
there are engineers are also producers and/or musicians.
there are engineers(and producers) that think they know a little bit of both but really need to stick to one or the other...OR need to quit both all together

just depends

[dhiltonlittle]

i've come to the conclusion lately that when it comes time for the album credits etc, things start to get smeared as far as what people think they actually did. i've had to start drawing the lines out front. just because you where in the studio when the track was produced/mixed doesn't mean you were co-anything! i've been in some interesting situations lately on some pretty big records.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by tonyscarbones

it seems like bob power was the genius behind atcq beats

From what I've read Q-Tip is responsible for the majority of the Tribe sound since he did all of the sequencing. Bob P just fine tuned it.

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[Silver Sonya]

Originally Posted by Dor

From what I've read Q-Tip is responsible for the majority of the Tribe sound since he did all of the sequencing. Bob P just fine tuned it.

D

I think Ali Shaheed might object to this particular version of history!

All hail Tip and Power --- I have the highest respect for both of these guys --- but, I mean, come on... it was a collaboration!

That's what made it magic!

- c

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by dhiltonlittle

i've come to the conclusion lately that when it comes time for the album credits etc, things start to get smeared as far as what people think they actually did. i've had to start drawing the lines out front. just because you where in the studio when the track was produced/mixed doesn't mean you were co-anything! i've been in some interesting situations lately on some pretty big records.

its a shame that that has to be said. if one does nothing why does one want credit for anything more than nothing

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by xabiton

its a shame that that has to be said. if one does nothing why does one want credit for anything more than nothing

i'm gonna say money, but thats just wild guess

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

I think Ali Shaheed might object to this particular version of history!

All hail Tip and Power --- I have the highest respect for both of these guys --- but, I mean, come on... it was a collaboration!

That's what made it magic!

- c

True.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by filterayok

i'm gonna say money, but thats just wild guess

why does one think they would gain money if they have done nothing

[MrT]

Originally Posted by xabiton

why does one think they would gain money if they have done nothing

ummm.... Cause it's music? I mean, I thought that was ubiquitous in this business.

[Igotsoul4u]

Originally Posted by xabiton

why does one think they would gain money if they have done nothing

isnt that the business model for the music business?? Gain lots of power, then exploit talented people without power.

I think the entire engineer credit blurring sucks but its up to the engineer to realize they are the engineer/mixer and not the producer. The guys that make it in the biz aren't trying to change the records creatively and for the most part kind of play dumb in a way. i personally don't let certain parts of my brain come on when I mix or engineer. For example, I was melodyning something the other day and the harmonies were awful. I could have easily changed them to show the producer some other options and to make things sound better to me, but I didn't because its not my job to think like that. It also keeps me from getting screwed. If you make the greatest suggestion ever and the record goes to the next level, you can count on not getting any production credit. On the other hand i do not like it when someone comes up to me and says "do a bunch of hot shit to the track" I think the producer should be responsible for drops, throws, extreme EQ, effects, intro, breakdowns, etc... If they leave all that stuff up to you, don't do it because thats his job. If they want to give you a point or something thats a whole different story.