MV 8800 vs. MPC 5000?

[hubercraft]

Who make the best hardware sequencer?

[wax808]

Akai does ..


it's called the MPC500

[tr-one]

don't worry about who makes "the best". figure out which one suits YOUR NEEDS best, buy it, then get busy making music.

[tomazzzi]

I had to make this choice several month ago ....

So i tried the MV8800 first ....

I hated the worflow

It s a great machine but i find it not intuitive at all


So i bought the 5000...

i am very happy with it, it s fast & easy to use.

[halfguard]

i like the mv but it almost does to much. the screen is cool, but if your working in a daw, now you have 2 arrange screens.

[P3anut]

from what i heard the mv- has horrible quantization
and the mpc 5000 don't know yet ... i play with it but never got into detail ...

[halfguard]

Originally Posted by Azriel_7

MV screen should be with the MV, just like the normal display would be same as DAW screens should be with your control surface, mixer or mix position.

what if you sequence in your daw?

[e-smile-z]

no the quantization is cool on the mv if U KNOW HOW TO USE IT...most of them just pick a template and they pick the wrong one.....
i ve pLAYED TODay with a mpc 5000...

nice nice i liked it..it got the best of the jj os features...and the synth is easy to use with all the knobs and sliders...
but i don t wanna sell my 2500....

[Jahrome]

Originally Posted by Azriel_7

Like what?
Even Jahrome will tell you the 5k missed out on many of the things JJ improved with OS1 let alone the dramatic stuff he did with OS2.

Akai has had the ability to see and monitor how people responded to the changes JJ made, so it really seems strange they did not implement more or at least similar aspects.
Sad part is a more JJ oriented OS for the 5k would have made it a lot easier to swallow for 4k users.


It's still early in the 5k life but based on the lack of OS revisions for the 1k and 2500, it's kinda scary to buy a 5k with the hopes of change.

There are a few comments I would like to make in my favorite type of threads....

The MPC 5000s sequencer has the same resolution (960 ppqns) as the MPC 4000. Additionally, Akai added extra parameters to the MPC 5Ks swing that the 4000 does't have.

The MPC 1000 has received numerous OS updates from both Akai and JJ. Truth be told, the MPC 2500 was just a big MPC 1000 update since they are really the same unit. I believe Akai is not going to sit on their hands with the MPC 5000. This is their flagship product. I seriously doubt that released it just to see it crash and burn. As an actual user of the 5K, there are some features that JJ implemented in the 2500/1000 that I would like to see added to the 5K:

1. Instrument programs
2. Global program editing
3. Real-time pitch shift
4. Non-destructive chopping
5. Sample layer crossfade
6. Selectable metronome accent

These are the only features that the JJ OS has that I need in the MPC 5K. But considering what the 5K offers, these JJ OS features were not significant enough for me to stay with the MPC 2500. One of the most exciting parts about the MPC 5K is its future. Akai wrote that they will incorporate user requests in furture MPC 5K operating systems. The MPC 5000 has threads with many great ideas. The JJ OS is a direct result of these ideas. Just imagine what Akai will do with more resources.

Wrapping this up....I don't feel a need to tell someone that they should buy an MV over an MPC 5K (or vice versa). Both of them make music. I just prefer MPCs.

[Jahrome]

Of course the MPC 5000 sequencer doesn't feel like the MPC 4000s. The 5000s sequencer is tighter IMHO. Whether the 5Ks quantize is turned on or off, I feel it produces better results. The specs on the 5Ks sequencer is better than the 4Ks and it also performs better.

As we continue to talk about these MPCs, let's make one thing clear. The MPC 60, 1000, 2000/2000XL, 2500, 3000, and 4000's latest operating systems are very different than what they initially shipped with. Akai slowly implemented enhancements and additional features. Roland did the exact same thing with the MV 8000/8800. The same is true for the MPC 5000 which is on OS 1.20...only two updates since its release.

In the end, these things always come down to personal choices. This is the reason why I didn't keep my MPC 4000. The same reason why I switched from an MPC 2500 and JJ OS2 to the MPC 5000.

[Jahrome]

Originally Posted by Azriel_7

That's just an opinion.
Get the two and compare them.

Correct. That is my opinion based upon 11 years of MPC use. When I used the MPC 4000, I felt its timing was not as tight as the MPC 2000 and 3000. This is not the case with the MPC 5000.

But as far as specs...its not an opinion but facts. The MPC 5000 has 960 ppqns....has additional swing parameters that the MPC 4000 doesn't...can swing triplets unlike the 4000....can undo/redo sequences in real time...and more.

The MPC 5000 will have future upgrades, updates, or what ever you want to call them. If you are not a fan of the unit..then don't buy it. It it doesn't offer the features you need, don't buy it. But if it has the features you need, go for it. You will be happy with the quality of the product. That is my opinion of course.

[Retrofreak]

Prefer the built quality and workflow on the MPC 5000 over the MV tbh.

[drumsynth]

Well, I don't. If it weren't for quant, I wouldn't be making music, see.

I have the opportunity to get an MV8800 for less than $500 in an amateur worktrade.
I have never in my entire life used quantize.

by this logic should i just buy the MV8800? since i will be doing alot my sequencing via audio multi-tracking into Ableton Live.
Or would it be better to just just nab an MPC1000/2500/ a while down the line?
I love Guru, i wish i owned it, i also enjoyed using the fruityloops FPC when i used FLstudio.
I know both of these VSTi are based off MPC workflow, will i be unhappy with the MV8800 workflow as much as i hate using battery3?

paying more than $700 for me is pretty much out of the question for a few years.
thanks for any feedback.

[laboso]

The 2500 beats'em both with JJ OS hands down... Incredible workflow!

[GYang]

Originally Posted by laboso

The 2500 beats'em both with JJ OS hands down... Incredible workflow!

I'm happy with 2500, although I use sequencers less and less for serious music making (for fun it's different, RM1 is great toy)

[mp3]

Originally Posted by Ethereralgreta

I would never attempt to sequence anything within live with the MV 8800. What a midi assignment nightmare that would be, plus, whats the point?

The point is that Live has horrible midi record timing, and it gets worse as the CPU gets loaded down.

Originally Posted by Ethereralgreta

If you want to sequence VSTi's using a hardware sequencer like an MPC or MV, just get a VST host program and assign each VSTi/AU a midi channel and drive them off your MPC or MV that way.

Why add software when live is just as capable of being a simple plugin host? You don't have to run live's transport to use it as a simple plugin host.

Originally Posted by Ethereralgreta

Or, you could sequence your VSTi's within Ableton and simply lock Ableton via midi clock to your MPC or MV.

Except that Ableton's midi clock sync is horrible. At least in version 8.

[HOAS]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ethereralgreta
Or, you could sequence your VSTi's within Ableton and simply lock Ableton via midi clock to your MPC or MV.
Except that Ableton's midi clock sync is horrible. At least in version 8.

I think that's where sync-lock come in handy.

[mp3]

Originally Posted by HOAS

I think that's where sync-lock come in handy.

Have you used sync-lock with Live? Would you recommend it?

Originally Posted by Ethereralgreta

On another note, when it comes to timing, well er, that is all subjective, don't you think? ... I have done some dance tracks using Live 8 & I don't find Ableton Live 8 to have bad timing in relation to my MV .... I have no problem with Ableton timing ... If it is strong enough for DJ Sasha to use live in his sets, well, I guess it is good enough for me, too.

Its not subjective at all. You may not notice it if you use record quantize all the time, however... Anyway I suggest you run a search on the phrase 'MIDI timing bug' over at Ableton's forum.

Here's one thread of many: Ableton Forum • View topic - Inconsistent External MIDI Timing.

To quote Ableton's manual:

If you are using playthrough while recording, you will want to record what you hear even if, because of latency, this occurs slightly later than what you play.

Live records what you hear, NOT what you play. The problem is that what you play and what you hear can differ a whole lot once you go past 25% or so on the CPU meter. One note may be relatively on time while the next is unacceptably delayed. I'm talking jitter on the order of 50 or more milliseconds. Its really unacceptable, and I'm surprised (and a bit doubtful) you haven't experienced it. If you haven't then consider yourself lucky and don't change one single thing with your DAW's MIDI setup.

By the way, the 'if its good enough for Star X' argument is beyond played, don't you think?

If Live wasn't so genius with audio, the MIDI timing and MIDI sync problems would shut it down. Through all that, I still love it, but because of all that, I rarely make beats with it anymore.

[Tnevz]

The MV 8800 is great and if you have the chance to get one for 4-500 bucks you can lose. If it's in condition you can sell it for $500 easily. Probably more like 7-800 bucks really. It's best to use a monitor and mouse with the mv, but not necessary. If your coming from an mpc your gonna get a lil disgruntled at first. Just like if you went from a daw like ableton to FL studio.
My only gripe about the mv is it's hard to find one with 8 outputs and if you do find the add on hardware later it's like 300 bucks. The mpc 5000 doesn't come with 8 outs standard either, I don't believe.
That's not needed, but it's nice and can definitely speed up your workflow.
Keep in mind, if you've never used one of these machines: The worst thing about an Mpc or Mv or any hardware sampler really, is tracking in to your daw. Specifically if you have multiple tracks on the hardware sampler. To do this of course you need a mixer or interface going into your computer with enough channels and as little latency as possible (preferably FireWire NOT USB to your computer if more than two channels).

Just trying to give you an idea of what your in for if you haven't used a hardware sampler before.

[0t0b0t]

Originally Posted by Tnevz

The mpc 5000 doesn't come with 8 outs standard either, I don't believe.

It has 10 analog outs (Main + 8 single outs), ADAT I/O (8 in / 8 out), Digital S/PDIF I/O, Phono In, 2 MIDI in / 4 MIDI out as standard.

[damien907]

keep in mind that the mv 8800 only has stereo outs and the mpc 5000 has 10 outputs.

you can get the output expansion to make your mv 8800 have 6 outputs but roland no longer makes them and they go for upwards of 500 dollars when you can find them on ebay/craigslist ect.

although there is a workaround with the 8800 and the 8000 that makes it so you can track out 4 mono outs at one time if you use the stereo outputs and the spidif outs.

just something to toss around in your head.

[Retrofreak]

I really like using the adat outs of my MPC 5000 into my DAW.

[E-Maddox]

The 5000 just has to many bugs IMO. I doubt the Numark has any plans to update it anymore. They don't even acknowledge the 5000's existence at NAMM shows anymore.

I'd go the Maschine route if it chopped as well as the 8800.

[0t0b0t]

Originally Posted by E-Maddox

The 5000 just has to many bugs IMO. I doubt the Numark has any plans to update it anymore. They don't even acknowledge the 5000's existence at NAMM shows anymore.

I'd go the Maschine route if it chopped as well as the 8800.

What are the bugs you're talking about? You mean the OS? Maybe you're talking pre OS 2.0 ?

I haven't found any bug with the 5K.. the first thing I did was updating to 2.0.

Edit: however, it would be cool if they kept updating and improving the 5K... I'd like an option for assigning the physical outputs to whole tracks in the track mixer instead of assigning them to each pad in a sample program.

[Retrofreak]

The MPC 5000 is awesome.

[0t0b0t]

Originally Posted by Retrofreak

The MPC 5000 is awesome.

Word.

[Tnevz]

If the mpc 5000 is so awesome why did jJst blaze hate on it so much? I mean, that's a dude practically made a career off the 4000, so I value his opinion. maybe it was just the initial release.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Tnevz

If the mpc 5000 is so awesome why did jJst blaze hate on it so much? I mean, that's a dude practically made a career off the 4000, so I value his opinion. maybe it was just the initial release.

Because he reviewed/slammed it before the 2.0 OS update, which corrected all of the issues he brought up & then some.

D

[0t0b0t]

Originally Posted by Dor

Because he reviewed/slammed it before the 2.0 OS update, which corrected all of the issues he brought up & then some.

D

See, that's the 5000's fate. People don't know and talk and talk and....

When Just Blaze reviewed and hated on it, the 5K was at version 1, not even near it's 2.0 state. His internet tirade at themegatrondon2.com was up until a couple of weeks ago, although all he had to critize was fixed in January 2009 with the release of OS 2.0.

But that's actually cool with me, since the 5K could be snagged for dirt cheap 2nd hand.

[kaydigi]

Originally Posted by 0t0b0t

See, that's the 5000's fate. People don't know and talk and talk and....

When Just Blaze reviewed and hated on it, the 5K was at version 1, not even near it's 2.0 state. His internet tirade at themegatrondon2.com was up until a couple of weeks ago, although all he had to critize was fixed in January 2009 with the release of OS 2.0.

But that's actually cool with me, since the 5K could be snagged for dirt cheap 2nd hand.

Is the 5000 even supported anymore by Numark?