Uad 1 Plug Ins

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by Drlove

I'm going to order soon. You guys have convinced me.

1176, LA2A or LA3A?

All three

[blayz2002]

Originally Posted by Drlove

I'm going to order soon. You guys have convinced me.

1176, LA2A or LA3A?

They are different beasts. 1176 is good bring drums out or taming a very dynamic rap voice (fast and punchy) the LA2A I find best use when you just want to smooth things out a little I tend to use it as the second comp in chain sometimes or I like it on Bass, Guitar or Piano, it has a nice sheen to it (slow attack and release). Haven't tried the LA3A yet but it's supposed to be faster than the 2A.

[smoke]

LA2A and Pultec!

I forget that Elton John piano sound trick... something like strap 2 LA2As and a Pultec on an aux, and send piano to it. Crank the input on both LA2As and adjust the output until the pianos get that lovely release trail and they start to slightly chorus. Attenuate the low, and crank up the mid (I forget which frequency) on the pultec to taste.

I read this somewhere, tried it, and it works!

[rickrock305]

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

Thats not a problem...Im a recording PROFESSIONAL with a pro ATTITUDE

wow, what crawled up your ass? not allowed to have a little fun here and there?


I'm also a recording PROFESSIONAL with a pro ATTITUDE


and most of my clients appreciate a little humor here and there. man, your sessions must be STIFF

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by rickrock305

wow, what crawled up your ass? not allowed to have a little fun here and there?


I'm also a recording PROFESSIONAL with a pro ATTITUDE


and most of my clients appreciate a little humor here and there. man, your sessions must be STIFF

Its the wrong kind of humor, pal...capice???

[The dman]

Originally Posted by Drlove

I'm going to order soon. You guys have convinced me.

1176, LA2A or LA3A?

IMO it would be the LA2A or the 1176 and I guess that depends on what other plugins you have to cover those bases.


I just picked up an expert pack for my 3rd card, got $1,180 in vouchers and coupons and bought the Neve bundle, the VU and the Transient Designer. I still have $110 left and it's a toss up between DimensionD,Presision Enhancer and the Deesser.

Any opinions?

Thanks

I've been really enjoying the 88RS and the VU comp.

[gregohb]

i bought the precision enhancer, but frankly it sux. i think I'll have to buy the BBE (again! - they keep changing developers and you need to re-buy it since there is no upgrade path at all - really sux!).

the 1176 is a must-have. I use the LA3A more than the LA2A though.

The Dim D is a really cool sound, but as I mentioned it has only four variations in sound, and no wet/dry and its an affect that can easily be overused.

I am trying to decide between the SPL Transient, the Helios EQ, and the Fairchild.

[Franco]

"i think the d has to always be put on a bus, because UA won't put a wet/dry mix control on it. It only has four settings..."

It's only got 4 settings, but like the hardware version, you can use any combination of the four (hold shift and select additional buttons). I like all four buttons pressed in for fat synth leads.

[larrygates]

Originally Posted by Drlove

I'm going to order soon. You guys have convinced me.

1176, LA2A or LA3A?

Ok my go at this would be. If you plan to use a lot of compression go with the 1176. It has the most control out of both. If you want character and nice gain on tracks, but don't care much about lots of control, go with the LA2A.

If you want a sweet ass sounding compressor that's as easy to use as the LA2A but has a "faster" sounding compression sound go with the LA3A.

It's about what you would like to do with your compressors at this point, the 1176 will get you the most burn, but the damn LA2A sounds good and does wonders on a vocal buss. As does the FairChild. I use most of my UAD stuff on stems. I don't do much individual processing since I only have 1 card. The 88RS is all over a mix for me though. GOD that thing is the ****ing GREAT.

For the other guys maxing out 2 cards, first I totally believe you, but second I think there is a way to actually put plug ins in a certain order that will get you longer run out of your card. Trust me, I've learned everything I could about maxing out a card. I'm also saying this because I usually just use UAD on the Vocals only, and keep all the plugs live since I'm only doing vox with them. If I had two cards, I would do the same setup but have some left over for music mixing with UAD. Right now I use Nebula to supplement UAD, and my outboard comps & EQ smoke ALL my software anything.

[larrygates]

Originally Posted by The dman

IMO it would be the LA2A or the 1176 and I guess that depends on what other plugins you have to cover those bases.


I just picked up an expert pack for my 3rd card, got $1,180 in vouchers and coupons and bought the Neve bundle, the VU and the Transient Designer. I still have $110 left and it's a toss up between DimensionD,Presision Enhancer and the Deesser.

Any opinions?

Thanks

I've been really enjoying the 88RS and the VU comp.

For you I'd FOR sure go with the Dimension D. It does things that no other plugs do. It works on Vox, Drums, Snares, Kicks, Keys, Synths, Guitars (esp), ****ing Everything. Precision Enhancer (skip that) just get the CLAS NR it's free from Algorithmix or whoever can't remember their name. Plus there's tons of things that do enhancement (unless you're on a Mac). De-Esser is pretty nice. I would rather have Eiosis D-Esser. That thing looks insane (sound I mean).

88RS is the best strip for that gooey sound. VU comp (the guy who said Fish Phones comp sounds like it wasn't lying at all really). The VU comp holds transients better, but average listener won't ever hear it, as well as other things we talk about here.

Originally Posted by gregohb

i bought the precision enhancer, but frankly it sux. i think I'll have to buy the BBE (again! - they keep changing developers and you need to re-buy it since there is no upgrade path at all - really sux!).

the 1176 is a must-have. I use the LA3A more than the LA2A though.

The Dim D is a really cool sound, but as I mentioned it has only four variations in sound, and no wet/dry and its an affect that can easily be overused.

I am trying to decide between the SPL Transient, the Helios EQ, and the Fairchild.

Your choice is WAY harder. They are all Great. For you all 3 is the best option. Short of that, there are other VST's that do a good job with transients. So that leaves, do you need more comp, or a STUPID EQ. The Helios is insane. I don't use it much, but it's got a great sound, but it doesn't work on a lot of sources, or in context with things sometimes. But it's unlike any EQ's you'd have VST AU wise.

So, if you really need transients, go for SPL.

Next go for Fairchild (it has more uses than Helios).

Next go for helios.

Actually I would go Fairchild FIRST since it's the most versatile.

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by rickrock305

for those who are familiar with the SPL Transient Designer UAD version...


how does it compare to the Sony Oxford Transient Modulator? better, worse?


and am I the only one who think the Waves TransX is garbage?

I didn't think much of Trans X when I first tried it, but then I started expirimenting with it more, and found that it has its uses. It is not as versatile as Sony's Transmod, and that is probably why someone would automatically want to dismiss using Trans X.

Sony Transmod is good, I use it for mastering mostly. I haven't compared it to SPL unfortunately.

[rickrock305]

yea, i definitely have to play with it some more. i've tried it very briefly a couple of times and was very unimpressed.

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by rickrock305

yea, i definitely have to play with it some more. i've tried it very briefly a couple of times and was very unimpressed.

I find it works best when used on stuff like drum busses and/or drum loops. I got the idea for trying that while I was reading an online article on Dave P. He used it on one of Polow's drumloops for a mix he did.

[Drlove]

Can these plugs run without the card?

Oh, and I'm getting all 3 (like philly said) of those compressors and the Neve channel strip (it'll go great with my 8801).

[larrygates]

Do you have a Neve 8801? I do too, it doesnt work though.

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by Drlove

Can these plugs run without the card?

Oh, and I'm getting all 3 (like philly said) of those compressors and the Neve channel strip (it'll go great with my 8801).

No you have to have the card(s)
It would be nice though

[Drlove]

Ok, well, the cards will cut down on my CPU usage anyway - that's a good thing.

So if all the processing is done on the cards how many instances can I get? For example if I was using the Neve channel strip I could use 10 maybe 12?

I have the 8801 works great! The compressor sometimes acts a little weird. But great unit. Sounds awesome.

[gregohb]

Originally Posted by larrygates

For you I'd FOR sure go with the Dimension D. It does things that no other plugs do. It works on Vox, Drums, Snares, Kicks, Keys, Synths, Guitars (esp), ****ing Everything. Precision Enhancer (skip that) just get the CLAS NR it's free from Algorithmix or whoever can't remember their name. Plus there's tons of things that do enhancement (unless you're on a Mac). De-Esser is pretty nice. I would rather have Eiosis D-Esser. That thing looks insane (sound I mean).

88RS is the best strip for that gooey sound. VU comp (the guy who said Fish Phones comp sounds like it wasn't lying at all really). The VU comp holds transients better, but average listener won't ever hear it, as well as other things we talk about here.



Your choice is WAY harder. They are all Great. For you all 3 is the best option. Short of that, there are other VST's that do a good job with transients. So that leaves, do you need more comp, or a STUPID EQ. The Helios is insane. I don't use it much, but it's got a great sound, but it doesn't work on a lot of sources, or in context with things sometimes. But it's unlike any EQ's you'd have VST AU wise.

So, if you really need transients, go for SPL.

Next go for Fairchild (it has more uses than Helios).

Next go for helios.

Actually I would go Fairchild FIRST since it's the most versatile.

I already have the 1176, la2a, and la3a so I am wondering if actually need the Fairchild or VU. The only interest i have in the fairchild is that the beatles used them but Emerick said they brightened up the vocals. it seems like a sublte affect.

the helios is supposed to be good for bass. I find that the 1073 is mainly about high end sheen - like for a vox or guitar.

the Neve 88 is wonderfully efficient, but its a bit hard to use isn't it? i guess I need to read that manual on that one.

[larrygates]

Originally Posted by gregohb

I already have the 1176, la2a, and la3a so I am wondering if actually need the Fairchild or VU. The only interest i have in the fairchild is that the beatles used them but Emerick said they brightened up the vocals. it seems like a sublte affect.

the helios is supposed to be good for bass. I find that the 1073 is mainly about high end sheen - like for a vox or guitar.

the Neve 88 is wonderfully efficient, but its a bit hard to use isn't it? i guess I need to read that manual on that one.

The Fairchild doesn't really feel Beatles to me. I put it on a vocal bus with no tweaking, just put the fairchild on the vocal bus, and it just brings the vocals into a different territory. For tweaking it does mid/side - lat/vert in Fairchild speak. That will do wonders for your stereo separation, along with other free VST's (if you're PC).

The VU has a much much much diff sound. If you need a comparison, download phishphones compressor. It sounds pretty much like it. My choice is Fairchild over VU. If you want balls and attitude, the VU will get you that faster. But again the Fairchild just does more.

The helios does wonders for the bass of pretty much anything. I use it on drum stems, and it makes the kick do what it's suppose to do. The mids are what I love about the Helios though. There's nothing that sounds like those mids in plugin land. The 1073 is grittier than the 88RS. The 88RS reminds me of the Neve VR sound (the actual console I mean). It's just smooth as baby churned butter.

About using the 88RS, you'll need to check the manual on what exactly the compressor does. There's hard knee, fast ratio, extra threshold, and auto release. All these REALLY affect the sound drastically. The gate isn't as tricky, but hysterisos (however it's spelled) you won't know unless you've worked on a board that has that. It's kind of like the Range on a gate, but more like attack (for oversimplification). Again read the manual on those, and also check out compression tech, hard knee, fast attack, limiting. EQ is very straight forward, just use additive EQ and you're good. It also does pre-dynamics (EQ before compression/gate) and post-dyn (EQ after). As well as side chain internally (de essing enhancing freq etc . . .) I love that 88RS plug, it's the polar opposite of the Waves SSL channel. Don't think they really nailed the SSL with that one anyway though. SSL isn't "That" tiny.

Did that answer what you're asking?

[jimmydeluxe]

Fairchild is a must--99x out of 100 on the mix buss it's lovely--watch for it shaving off some lows, though. I use la3a on vox more than anything, or 88rs--lots of instances (3 cards). Sometimes I start with FC on the mix buss and mix into it. FC, 1176, 3a on guitars or keys, 2a or 3a on bass--2a is darker to me than 3a. 2a on drum buss is fat.

[larrygates]

Originally Posted by jimmydeluxe

Fairchild is a must--99x out of 100 on the mix buss it's lovely--watch for it shaving off some lows, though. I use la3a on vox more than anything, or 88rs--lots of instances (3 cards). Sometimes I start with FC on the mix buss and mix into it. FC, 1176, 3a on guitars or keys, 2a or 3a on bass--2a is darker to me than 3a. 2a on drum buss is fat.

Those are some good basis of buss management with UAD comps. Really nice. The guy questioning can see that the FC gets a lot of use since it's just um . . . good.

I like 3A on vox and drum buss too. It's punchier and less gooey than the 2A, but not as bottomy. As I said I use FC on the entire Vox buss, sometimes just the leads, sometimes LA2A on just the leads. Their all just good for what they do.

Good suggestions though, I'll try some. The VU is sweet.

[gregohb]

Originally Posted by jimmydeluxe

Fairchild is a must--99x out of 100 on the mix buss it's lovely--watch for it shaving off some lows, though. I use la3a on vox more than anything, or 88rs--lots of instances (3 cards). Sometimes I start with FC on the mix buss and mix into it. FC, 1176, 3a on guitars or keys, 2a or 3a on bass--2a is darker to me than 3a. 2a on drum buss is fat.

thanks for the comments. however, i just bought the Precision Buss Compressor for that same reason - especially after reading some great reviews of it. I don't have it but the neve 3309 is supposed to be good as a buss compressor too.

what do you use the VU for? i like the 1176 on drums. the la3a adds a litle body and distortion on vocals which I like for rock. the la2a seems very smooth and a bit subtle to me.

[phillysoulman]

There is a preset on the Helios caled Jah Mon that sounds good on bass

[gregohb]

UA had a video online which compared about half a dozen of their EQ's and it seemed like the Helios was special for bass - in general. I am going to run the demo of it I guess and find out for myself.

[cynic]

i'm probably picking up a 3rd card, just to run 88rs...

[phillysoulman]

I sometimes insert the Precision eq, Precision buss comp and Precision Maximizer,in that order, on the 2 bus.

Dont let the names of the presets fool you either as I sometimes use "Rock-Tight and Open" on the eq, Pop on the bus comp and 3 band slam on the maximixer.

Just leave yourself enough headroom on your master fader.

[tombuur]

I have two UAD-1 cards and a selection of plugins.

1176 is currently my number one UAD-1 plugin. A while ago it was LA-2A. I hardly ever use the Fairchild and wouldn't buy it again.

Also I use the 88RS a lot. It may not produce as good results as combining a number of other plugins, but I like it as a "trackplug" for less important instruments like some of the drumkit parts. In fact, I have ordered the Neve 8801 to have the hardware version too. I like the idea of being able to record with the 8801 and then have a software emulation of the hardware for sampled instruments.

The Precision Multiband will be my main plugin for mastering.

There are other fine plugins too, but in some cases I have chosen to go with the Oxford plugins (have most of them). Otherwise I would have to buy two more UAD-1 cards ... at least.