The Magic Of Mixing Music - Page 2

nickynicknick · 24th July 2008, 06:17 PM

This young man sounds like he's quite good at what he's doing... Probably has great ears and is an extremely hard worker...that is fantastic...It is a different animal to mix a band recorded in a room, with no samples or replacement and make it sound killer...there seems to be a lot of ooooh and aahhhh surrounding the detailed description of manipulating sampled sounds....there's some good stuff there...how about not coming off like the second coming? you're not the first to use multiband, parallel and plug in processing.

Nick

Karloff70 · 25th July 2008, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

This young man sounds like he's quite good at what he's doing... Probably has great ears and is an extremely hard worker...that is fantastic...It is a different animal to mix a band recorded in a room, with no samples or replacement and make it sound killer...there seems to be a lot of ooooh and aahhhh surrounding the detailed description of manipulating sampled sounds....there's some good stuff there...how about not coming off like the second coming? you're not the first to use multiband, parallel and plug in processing.

Nick

All part of the efficient Waves punt, mate

Ahmenotep1 · 27th July 2008, 05:07 PM

Im fairly new to this posting thing, however I think the mix was excellent. I jus wanna say to everyone knocking the Engineers methods HI HATERS

Michael Zick · 19th August 2008, 04:29 AM

While I'm not really feeling the song (but I generally don't like modern R&B), I think the mix is good. Definitely a Pensado sound. Good work!

I'm glad I searched for the right/left brain thing...this thread answered it. It does seem that mixing is truly a marriage of the creative and technical. After all, you're shaping the final product into something listenable and moving.

Thanks for the article. Now can someone do the same thing for a rock song they mixed?

Music Surgeon · 22nd September 2008, 05:04 AM

Hey Guys,

I thought I'd sign up as well after hearing great words from various people.

Another thing for tips and tricks please visit my blog: The Music Surgeon for Royal College of Surgeons INK

Currently in the studio with Diddy's writer Jack Knight and about to do some work for Grammy winning artist Beenie Man.

Hope all is well and thank you for the support. If any of you guys are interested in super reduced mix and master rates please give me a shout!

Musical love & blessings,

K

Storyville · 22nd September 2008, 08:27 AM

The overall mix is pretty standard to my ear. The only thing that really caught me was that the snare pops a little more when the vocals aren't present. Wonder if that's addressed in the article. What I really want to hear in the mix is a little movement in the bass. When the buzzy bass comes in it really fills out the mix, pulls my ear right there. If the bass moved a bit more, a little more dynamics, or even just some good ol' fader riding, I think it would make a world of difference.

It's not really the most exciting song in the world....mixing ain't gonna change that.

Sirocco, you're only 21? Damn it, I'm getting old. I better make a drum library.... and I just started work on it, so look out.

Sirocco · 25th September 2008, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storyville

The overall mix is pretty standard to my ear. The only thing that really caught me was that the snare pops a little more when the vocals aren't present. Wonder if that's addressed in the article. What I really want to hear in the mix is a little movement in the bass. When the buzzy bass comes in it really fills out the mix, pulls my ear right there. If the bass moved a bit more, a little more dynamics, or even just some good ol' fader riding, I think it would make a world of difference.

It's not really the most exciting song in the world....mixing ain't gonna change that.

Sirocco, you're only 21? Damn it, I'm getting old. I better make a drum library.... and I just started work on it, so look out.

i feel old. i just want to drive a flying car before my time is gone lol!

can't wait to hear it! i'm not only a drum maker -- but an overall drum connoisseur.

i love to hear other peoples stuff so I really encourage everyone to make there own drums and market and sell them if you feel they are ready!

Synthy08 · 25th September 2008, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storyville

The overall mix is pretty standard to my ear. The only thing that really caught me was that the snare pops a little more when the vocals aren't present. Wonder if that's addressed in the article. What I really want to hear in the mix is a little movement in the bass. When the buzzy bass comes in it really fills out the mix, pulls my ear right there. If the bass moved a bit more, a little more dynamics, or even just some good ol' fader riding, I think it would make a world of difference.

It's not really the most exciting song in the world....mixing ain't gonna change that.

Sirocco, you're only 21? Damn it, I'm getting old. I better make a drum library.... and I just started work on it, so look out.

Who are you?

Storyville · 25th September 2008, 05:53 AM

I wear a lot of hats. Who are you? Or is there something more in that question?

ninjasoards · 25th September 2008, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stylo

The version thats been posted is'nt the mixed version.. its onyl a 2 track of the beat.... Although it still does sound good I will post the finalized version once I'm able to do so.

Koen is a good friend of mine and he's got a lot fo knowledge to share... I'll more stuff from him when I can....

On a side note,
I recently had the opportunity and honor of mixing a record with Jean-Marie Horvat... Dude is Incredible and could probabaly quit engineering and start doing comedy somewhere... hahaha

Am i the only one who noticed this post? Everyone is ranting and raving/criticizing a 2-track beat.

Synthy08 · 25th September 2008, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storyville

I wear a lot of hats. Who are you? Or is there something more in that question?

lol, naw I was just playing with u man (no homo).

jsrockit · 25th September 2008, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

Its ok, but in an ordinary sense.
Whats so special and unique about it?
Im baffeled.

I'm a nobody with basic skills...and I'm sure you are 100 times more skilled than me, but do you ever have anything nice to say?

gearaddict · 25th September 2008, 03:12 PM

YOu always here in these thread's "There's no one way..do whatever sounds good.thats all that matters" now you got people talking shit about how manny plugs were used..WHO CARES..is that all you could find to have somthing to bitch about? IF it sounds good..who cares how it got that way.HOw fricking irritating..your jealousy show's BIG TIME..and I dont care who you are..YOu are obveously jealous and need everyone to look at YOU!!

Storyville · 25th September 2008, 06:10 PM

I'm usually not the one who says "do whatever sounds right." I've never liked that as an answer. Read over my posts, I usually detail my personal methods very openly, something which the envious type don't do. And generally, though not always, my willingness to share my knowledge is appreciated, and I've appreciated everyone here on GS who has done the same for me....

That being said, this thread was titled Mixing Magic, and the tune I listened to didn't have much magic. Which makes sense as apparently I completely overlooked the part about the posted tune not being a final mix. Yeah, I probably could have left the part out about how I don't particularly like the song, but that says nothing of the engineer... who clearly knows what's what and I look forward to his presence here. And I am glad for anyone in this business who is successful/ becoming successful.

smoke · 25th September 2008, 09:29 PM

I have never seen the word WAVES so many times in one post. Really Transparent.

blayz2002 · 27th September 2008, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

However, I like to use plugs from a variety of manufacturers just for the sake of introducing different colors to the sonic spectrum.
Waves plugs are great...however I use many different plugs including URS,UAD,Sonnox..MC DSP etc.

Yup

And for me the same goes with UAD plugs, I find that bringing others to the mix makes for a nicer blend.

detune · 10th October 2008, 09:21 PM

interesting stuff from this Koen 'Mixing Surgeon' Heldens.

Do you give workshops as well?

Music Surgeon · 15th October 2008, 01:10 AM

Yes I do please contact me at royalcollegeofsurgeonsinc@gmail.com

detune · 27th October 2008, 11:11 PM

Cool man, i just found your full CV. (I will post it shortly).
Very impressive, great to share this with the rest of the world.

So you've worked at Global studios in Amsterdam according to your CV?

I might have some nice mix work for you man. I will contact you through your agent at boom boom room studio's in CA (as mentioned on your CV). Talk to you soon!

Music Surgeon · 4th November 2008, 05:55 AM

I trained the staff and consultant on the entire studio. Designed the studio so it looks the way it does and I bought all the gear and made the set-ups. However theres a darker picture to all off this, and therefore I'd rather not be associated in public to this particular studio...

Blessings,

K

P.s. keep an eye open on the TL Audio website for an exclusive interview about their Ebony A2!

kev bouzane · 5th November 2008, 10:55 AM

i just heard his mix.... i assume the producer's objective was to make a radio ready r&b track... good job on that... but personally cringe when i hear that generic fluff

messiahwannabe · 6th November 2008, 08:14 AM

what's with the hate?

from my POV - i'm a pro musician/producer, but somewhat new to the game, and just starting to get my stuff heard on the radio out here in the boonies (indonesia if you want to know) i don't have the budget to send my tracks to someone like dave p, so i gotta do the best job i can on my own, with the equipment i've got - mainly protools HD and waves platinum. and since i'm probably not the only guy in the world running a setup like this, it's fine with me to hear EXACTLY how someone in the pro recording world would use these particular tools to make a professional, radio/tv/car system-ready mix. i don't care a bit if it sounds waves-oriented, since that's the backbone of my system as well.
s
to me, this advice sounds golden, and i'm looking forward to trying it out! (the tips in here i'm already using, such as the tricks with the kickdrum, really help out my mixes already)

so many thanks to koen heldens for sharing these tips and tricks (and stylo for posting them:) stuff like this is a big part of why i hang out on gearslutz so much!

wildpark · 6th November 2008, 02:24 PM

[quote=Music Surgeon;3508082]

good post

wildpark · 6th November 2008, 02:35 PM

[quote=Stylo;2072884][size=2][b][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

meaby too much waves for haters

i know wup and price politics.

but your free too use another good software like uad.psp....

memphisindie · 6th November 2008, 03:42 PM

What's with all the "inappropriate use of the word haters"?
People like things and don't like others for good reason and have a right to own their own tastes.
OP came straight outta the box cutting out a legitimate service, the recording engineer. So what? Who cares? For this type of music it isn't even required.
But, can we all agree that now that we have a man of color as president that we who are of color and those who aren't can stop talking like the ass-baby of Chicken George and Homey the Clown? Talk like your mama taught you.
Just because someone uses every plugin in the box doesn't make a song a hit or even good. Many "puhdussa's" have many more misses than hits. A good mix doesn't make a hit. HITS turn people on. Misses don't turn anything but knobs. So everybody turned on by a miss is "A KNOB".
Go polish yourselves. No wonder the air is filled with boring drivel.

Ha ha ha.
He posted a lot of stuff and a lot of it was good info for new engineers, but, nothing you couldn't get at a good internship which most people can't get because they aren't available everywhere the board Is (the innernet).
Just everybody take a breath and relax.

Music Surgeon · 13th November 2008, 02:48 AM

check out my popular blog including many tips and tricks about mixing:

The Music Surgeon for Royal College of Surgeons INK

Music Love & Blessings,

The Music Surgeon

detune · 26th November 2008, 08:23 PM

Dude,

i've just checked your credits based on your CV;
NONE OF IT IS TRUE OR CAN BE VERIFIED.

All people i've contacted so-far have met you once, but have not worked with you on any project.

So if you are not the 'multi-platinum million dollar mixing engineer'..... who the hell are you?

According to your CV you've worked with: Beyonce, Lil' Wayne, Joe Budden, Britney Spears, Keisha White, Rodney Jerkins, Kelly Rowland.....

Why doesn't your name appear on any of their albums or websites?

Koen Heldens... who are you for real? I think you are one big scam!

memphisindie · 26th November 2008, 08:32 PM

Maybe he's a "Waves plugin" salesman.
Yup. No matter what.

butterfly · 26th November 2008, 10:35 PM

..........mm the plot thickens. Nevertheless I think the vocals speak, fabulously well on this track. Nice tracking, performance and of course, mixing.

butterfly · 26th November 2008, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Koen Heldens... who are you for real? I think you are one big scam!

......................ok I got inside imfo on this. I typed in his name into google and guess where the search led me, to an old 12th century book of Bavarian folklore. Apparently Koen Heldens was a knight who was killed in the early crusades in the middle east and to this day his phantom can be seen sometimes at night riding through the Black Forest. Sharp eyed locals swear that the insignia on his tunic is not after all the Saltire but in fact the waves banner from this very site advertising cheap plugins if downloaded from Waves' site.

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27th July 2008, 05:07 PM	#33
Ahmenotep1 Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: South Jersey Posts: 3	hhhhuuuummmmmm Im fairly new to this posting thing, however I think the mix was excellent. I jus wanna say to everyone knocking the Engineers methods HI HATERS

19th August 2008, 04:29 AM	#34
Michael Zick Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Hollywood Posts: 750	While I'm not really feeling the song (but I generally don't like modern R&B), I think the mix is good. Definitely a Pensado sound. Good work! I'm glad I searched for the right/left brain thing...this thread answered it. It does seem that mixing is truly a marriage of the creative and technical. After all, you're shaping the final product into something listenable and moving. Thanks for the article. Now can someone do the same thing for a rock song they mixed? __________________ http://www.myspace.com/michaelzick http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelzick "Wow it's like Reason in real life!" -guitarist

22nd September 2008, 08:27 AM	#36
Storyville Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 258	Didn't read the whole thing but... The overall mix is pretty standard to my ear. The only thing that really caught me was that the snare pops a little more when the vocals aren't present. Wonder if that's addressed in the article. What I really want to hear in the mix is a little movement in the bass. When the buzzy bass comes in it really fills out the mix, pulls my ear right there. If the bass moved a bit more, a little more dynamics, or even just some good ol' fader riding, I think it would make a world of difference. It's not really the most exciting song in the world....mixing ain't gonna change that. Sirocco, you're only 21? Damn it, I'm getting old. I better make a drum library.... and I just started work on it, so look out.

25th September 2008, 05:53 AM	#39
Storyville Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 258	Weird Question I wear a lot of hats. Who are you? Or is there something more in that question?

24th July 2008, 06:17 PM	#31
nickynicknick Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,157	This young man sounds like he's quite good at what he's doing... Probably has great ears and is an extremely hard worker...that is fantastic...It is a different animal to mix a band recorded in a room, with no samples or replacement and make it sound killer...there seems to be a lot of ooooh and aahhhh surrounding the detailed description of manipulating sampled sounds....there's some good stuff there...how about not coming off like the second coming? you're not the first to use multiband, parallel and plug in processing. Nick

22nd September 2008, 05:04 AM	#35
Music Surgeon Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5	Hey Guys, I thought I'd sign up as well after hearing great words from various people. Another thing for tips and tricks please visit my blog: The Music Surgeon for Royal College of Surgeons INK Currently in the studio with Diddy's writer Jack Knight and about to do some work for Grammy winning artist Beenie Man. Hope all is well and thank you for the support. If any of you guys are interested in super reduced mix and master rates please give me a shout! Musical love & blessings, K

25th September 2008, 03:12 PM	#43
gearaddict Lives for gear Join Date: May 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,051	YOu always here in these thread's "There's no one way..do whatever sounds good.thats all that matters" now you got people talking shit about how manny plugs were used..WHO CARES..is that all you could find to have somthing to bitch about? IF it sounds good..who cares how it got that way.HOw fricking irritating..your jealousy show's BIG TIME..and I dont care who you are..YOu are obveously jealous and need everyone to look at YOU!! __________________ Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable http://www.myspace.com/jarrydee

25th September 2008, 06:10 PM	#44
Storyville Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 258	Is that addressed to me? I'm usually not the one who says "do whatever sounds right." I've never liked that as an answer. Read over my posts, I usually detail my personal methods very openly, something which the envious type don't do. And generally, though not always, my willingness to share my knowledge is appreciated, and I've appreciated everyone here on GS who has done the same for me.... That being said, this thread was titled Mixing Magic, and the tune I listened to didn't have much magic. Which makes sense as apparently I completely overlooked the part about the posted tune not being a final mix. Yeah, I probably could have left the part out about how I don't particularly like the song, but that says nothing of the engineer... who clearly knows what's what and I look forward to his presence here. And I am glad for anyone in this business who is successful/ becoming successful.

25th September 2008, 09:29 PM	#45
smoke Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 543	I have never seen the word WAVES so many times in one post. Really Transparent.

10th October 2008, 09:21 PM	#47
detune Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris Posts: 6	interesting stuff from this Koen 'Mixing Surgeon' Heldens. Do you give workshops as well?

15th October 2008, 01:10 AM	#48
Music Surgeon Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5	Yes I do please contact me at royalcollegeofsurgeonsinc@gmail.com

27th October 2008, 11:11 PM	#49
detune Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris Posts: 6	Koen's full CV Cool man, i just found your full CV. (I will post it shortly). Very impressive, great to share this with the rest of the world. So you've worked at Global studios in Amsterdam according to your CV? I might have some nice mix work for you man. I will contact you through your agent at boom boom room studio's in CA (as mentioned on your CV). Talk to you soon!

4th November 2008, 05:55 AM	#50
Music Surgeon Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5	I trained the staff and consultant on the entire studio. Designed the studio so it looks the way it does and I bought all the gear and made the set-ups. However theres a darker picture to all off this, and therefore I'd rather not be associated in public to this particular studio... Blessings, K P.s. keep an eye open on the TL Audio website for an exclusive interview about their Ebony A2!

5th November 2008, 10:55 AM	#51
kev bouzane Gear interested Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2	i just heard his mix.... i assume the producer's objective was to make a radio ready r&b track... good job on that... but personally cringe when i hear that generic fluff

6th November 2008, 08:14 AM	#52
messiahwannabe Gear Head Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 42	what's with the hate? from my POV - i'm a pro musician/producer, but somewhat new to the game, and just starting to get my stuff heard on the radio out here in the boonies (indonesia if you want to know) i don't have the budget to send my tracks to someone like dave p, so i gotta do the best job i can on my own, with the equipment i've got - mainly protools HD and waves platinum. and since i'm probably not the only guy in the world running a setup like this, it's fine with me to hear EXACTLY how someone in the pro recording world would use these particular tools to make a professional, radio/tv/car system-ready mix. i don't care a bit if it sounds waves-oriented, since that's the backbone of my system as well. s to me, this advice sounds golden, and i'm looking forward to trying it out! (the tips in here i'm already using, such as the tricks with the kickdrum, really help out my mixes already) so many thanks to koen heldens for sharing these tips and tricks (and stylo for posting them:) stuff like this is a big part of why i hang out on gearslutz so much!

6th November 2008, 02:24 PM	#53
wildpark Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: dominikan republic,germany... Posts: 958	[quote=Music Surgeon;3508082] good post __________________ since that new ad convertor i need less yoga !

6th November 2008, 02:35 PM	#54
wildpark Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: dominikan republic,germany... Posts: 958	[quote=Stylo;2072884][size=2][b][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] meaby too much waves for haters i know wup and price politics. but your free too use another good software like uad.psp.... __________________ since that new ad convertor i need less yoga !

6th November 2008, 03:42 PM	#55
memphisindie Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Memphis TN Posts: 374	What's with all the "inappropriate use of the word haters"? People like things and don't like others for good reason and have a right to own their own tastes. OP came straight outta the box cutting out a legitimate service, the recording engineer. So what? Who cares? For this type of music it isn't even required. But, can we all agree that now that we have a man of color as president that we who are of color and those who aren't can stop talking like the ass-baby of Chicken George and Homey the Clown? Talk like your mama taught you. Just because someone uses every plugin in the box doesn't make a song a hit or even good. Many "puhdussa's" have many more misses than hits. A good mix doesn't make a hit. HITS turn people on. Misses don't turn anything but knobs. So everybody turned on by a miss is "A KNOB". Go polish yourselves. No wonder the air is filled with boring drivel. Ha ha ha. He posted a lot of stuff and a lot of it was good info for new engineers, but, nothing you couldn't get at a good internship which most people can't get because they aren't available everywhere the board Is (the innernet). Just everybody take a breath and relax. __________________ Insert inappropriately opinionated comment or offensively badly worded phrase. Last edited by memphisindie; 6th November 2008 at 03:47 PM.. Reason: clarification.

13th November 2008, 02:48 AM	#56
Music Surgeon Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5	For those interesting... check out my popular blog including many tips and tricks about mixing: The Music Surgeon for Royal College of Surgeons INK Music Love & Blessings, The Music Surgeon

26th November 2008, 08:23 PM	#57
detune Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris Posts: 6	are you for real? Dude, i've just checked your credits based on your CV; NONE OF IT IS TRUE OR CAN BE VERIFIED. All people i've contacted so-far have met you once, but have not worked with you on any project. So if you are not the 'multi-platinum million dollar mixing engineer'..... who the hell are you? According to your CV you've worked with: Beyonce, Lil' Wayne, Joe Budden, Britney Spears, Keisha White, Rodney Jerkins, Kelly Rowland..... Why doesn't your name appear on any of their albums or websites? Koen Heldens... who are you for real? I think you are one big scam!

26th November 2008, 08:32 PM	#58
memphisindie Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Memphis TN Posts: 374	Maybe he's a "Waves plugin" salesman. Yup. No matter what. __________________ Insert inappropriately opinionated comment or offensively badly worded phrase.

26th November 2008, 10:35 PM	#59
butterfly Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: uk Posts: 470	..........mm the plot thickens. Nevertheless I think the vocals speak, fabulously well on this track. Nice tracking, performance and of course, mixing.