Your favotire ITB DeEssers?

[Rukas]

What are you guys using? I needa find a new one because RenDesser SUCKS!

[JuelzB]

I use the sidechain Input of my favourite (i tend to use the URS CSP mostly) compressor to deess. Route a copy of the signal you want to deess to the compressor sidechain input and eq and filter it beforehand, so that the frequencies where the sibilance occurs most, stand out. I like a medium ratio between 4:1 up to 8:1 and relatively fast attack and release settings on the compressor. This works very good for me and better than any dedicated plugin i have tried.

[mm-pro]

The Uad-1 one is great. For free, Spitfish does a good job:
digitalfishphones.com - free audio effects plugins


Of course, mic selection and placement to avoid excessive esses is even better.

Regards,

MM

[sevendaysoff]

i use digirack and it works just fine for me on pop/hiphop stuff.

[ReaLsoN]

I use the SPL Deesser that comes with Cubase 4 and it works just fine for me.

[chris carter]

Spitfish is nearly idiot-proof.

[The Beatsmith]

i just bought the eiosis de-esser

it's much better than most de-essers, but i still can't stand any change in tone. it's still not gonna beat doing the automation manually

i use it for tracks which aren't 'money tracks' - mixtapes, internet stuff. for actualy releases, i manually do the automation on esses, pops, breathes, etc, and i might use the eiosis de-esser for the backing vox...

[Jaques Beraques]

Originally Posted by The Beatsmith

i use it for tracks which aren't 'money tracks' - mixtapes, internet stuff. for actualy releases, i manually do the automation on esses, pops, breathes, etc, and i might use the eiosis de-esser for the backing vox...

+1
Ren-deesser for low budget jobs, automation for albums and important stuff.

[Kadden Heart]

i would never spend money on a de-esser personally.

digirack works just fine for me, especially for less compressed vocals.

if you're hardcore against digirack, just boost that frequency and send it to a sidechain compressor to grab the "S" down.

too much work?

maybe just grab like 7K in a surgical EQ and cut it to hell.

It's also seriously worth considering re-thinking your EQ on that track,..perhaps you didn't need to shelf 6K by 12DB,... maybe rolling off more lows or shelving the lower portions of the track down will help to decrease the impact of the sibilance.
,...or heavier compression,...maybe less compression,...

often times the sibilance in my vocal tracks is part of my compression/EQ and can be remedied ad such, or by the digirack.

[computa]

Originally Posted by Rukas

What are you guys using? I needa find a new one because RenDesser SUCKS!

I have used it on many albums and know alot of engineers that swear by ren De-esser and Digirack De-esser.

with that said there r alot of new modern de-esser type thingies out by sonnox, mcdsp, eiosis that I'm about to try as well.

IMHO, I think De-essing is the only process that sounds better as a plug-in than the outboard

[TonyBelmont]

Ren DeEsser is a standard DeEsser for me... With that said, I'm intrigued by the Sonnox SuperEsser, and will be checking it out soon.

[PettyCash]

Waves De-esser or Ren De-esser is enough for me.

[bigdoghat]

I like the Ren De-Esser - don't know if you just got it....? For best results "Type" setting should be at Band pass (the default type setting it opens with is High pass which is unusable) and "Mode" should be split - and at those settings it works great for me.....

[Chaellus]

What are you guys using? I needa find a new one because RenDesser SUCKS!




ren de-esser is pretty good...but you have to know how to use it...and maybe it sucks in your mind because your not using it right...on the other hand waves de-esser is better at least to me it is..

[Zacchino]

Originally Posted by mm-pro

The Uad-1 one is great. For free, Spitfish does a good job:
digitalfishphones.com - free audio effects plugins


Of course, mic selection and placement to avoid excessive esses is even better.

Regards,

MM

Just gave it a testdrive, it's really good for a free VST !!! I add it to the list. Thanx MM-Pro !!

[DivineMusic]

sounds like you dont know how to use renDeesser cuz it doesnt suck.

im with Chaellus, sometimes the simple waves deesser works better but sometimes can do a little so much, this is why i like the rendeesser and it works very well.
perhaps you should work on your tracking technique and mixing techniques...

[The Beatsmith]

it does suck compared to the eiosis, guys

[anguswoodhead]

I've tried Waves (both), Spitfish and some others.
Bought the UAD Precision De-esser (I think it is called) recently - man - finally I have found the plug-in de-esser that does the job professionally.
Individual Sibilant vocals or sibilant vocals in the mix (during Mastering) I haven't found better.
Try it, Buy it, you won't regret it - not that hard to use either.

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Ren DeEsser is a standard DeEsser for me... With that said, I'm intrigued by the Sonnox SuperEsser, and will be checking it out soon.

Originally Posted by PettyCash

Waves De-esser or Ren De-esser is enough for me.

yEP!

IF NOT ..USE AUTOMATION! IS THE BEST DE-ESSER

[macleodgrant]

lately i've been using the Waves C4 and preferring it to dedicated de-essers but lately i've found a mic technique which i'll use forever which doesn't make the esses stand out at all

[DivineMusic]

i personally like using c4 or C1-Sc if i need to really control the hiend.
i usually dont need a lot of deessing though. perhaps on airy r&b background vox's... talking to ken lewis he got me using 2 in series at different freq.. works really well...

just use your ears guys..

[TRW]

Sonalksis CQ-1 is my favourite so far.

Haven't yet tried the Sonnox one.
I prefer these over a standard singleband plugin.

The nice thing about a multi is being able to pull out the ess whilst dynamically opening the topend so it doesn't get too dark.

Only downside is they are very level dependant, a good deesser should be able to remove (or at least detect) the ess at any level with an unwavering amount of G.R - essentially always maintaining the balance between broadband and de-essed signal.

Good de-esser

Bad de-esser


Rane article for more:
Dynamics Processors - Chapter 4

A quiet ess might not trigger the CQ-1 etc but could still sound bad. So automating the threshold helps, could also play with feeding the de-esser from a ext. key input which is the vocal track heavy limited (and filtered) to ensure all ess's make it over the threshold.

Just my 2p.

-T

[Continental]

+1 - UAD Precision De-esser

[Kadden Heart]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

lately i've been using the Waves C4 and preferring it to dedicated de-essers but lately i've found a mic technique which i'll use forever which doesn't make the esses stand out at all

care to elaborate at all about yor mic' technique?

[e-are]

Originally Posted by DivineMusic

i personally like using c4 or C1-Sc if i need to really control the hiend.
i usually dont need a lot of deessing though. perhaps on airy r&b background vox's... talking to ken lewis he got me using 2 in series at different freq.. works really well...

just use your ears guys..

care to share that technique?

[UnMix Studio]

I see people complain about almost every de'esser on the market, as if they all are bad. If folks just learn how to de'esse properly there'll be less complaints.

De'essing take some skills and getting used to especially on the plugins.

With that said, Pro Tools standard (the 1st version) de'esser is a very good one, easy to use.
Ren De'esser is very good also. Did alot of work on it and worked well. Can't see how one thinks it sucks. (It's one of the good ones out there.)

Sonnox is good, but i think it takes sometimes getting used too and knowing how to make it work efficiently.

E2 De'esser is the BOMB. Just pick it up yesterday. It also takes some time knowing it, but not much. Extremely flexible. Con, It wil change the tone if you start to use the voice eq section, just avoid that. (put it first in the chain the eq to avoid tone changing issue) It does take a lil long to load in PT, Logic too. Pros, very good, simple.
Other than that I'll lsay it's the most flexible D'esser on the market so far, imo. Sonnox is there but too complex, a lil.

I've used these four to help my comments.

P.S. I still love the Pro Tools De'esser when i'm in PT.

[Ken Lewis]

Originally Posted by Rukas

What are you guys using? I needa find a new one because RenDesser SUCKS!

Thats kinda funny to read. Thats my main De-esser and sometimes i think my mixes are pretty good. Imagine what i could do if i used tools that didnt suck

Anyway, I am about to review Sonnox Surpressor for Producer's Edge Magazine, so who knows, you might be completely right. I'll know a few mixes from now.
-Ken

[Igotsoul4u]

Just picked up the McDsp DE555 DeEsser and it rocks. A deEsser that actually rocks. It makes Rdesser seem a bit crude with its few controls. I like to DeEss in notch mode and the fact that I can adjust q of the notch is a dream come true. With all other deEssers I always wished I could get in just a little cleaner and reduce a smaller frequency range. The added ratio is another amazingly smart feature which adds another useful level of control. Release time?? Yes please. I think i could use release to control breath noise. The amount of control is so much more precise then anything else I have used which includes RdeEsser, waves deEsser, DBX902, digideEsser, and maybe something I'm forgetting. Because of its precision its the most transparent DeEsser I have ever used. I catch only what I need to catch. I always felt like deEssers were a compromise because I could never get in there enough to really isolate the problem frequency and I always felt like frequencies I wanted to be left alone were getting knocked back. Eiosis looks interesting but the interface doe not look that user friendly and I feel like it would take more time to dial in and setup. They put in features I didn't know I needed if that makes sense. If I need to use half of the stuff on the Eiosis it means I recorded an effed up vocal. I guess it could be used for other duties that I have not thought of. Sonnox looks cool but doesn't look as easy to dial in as the DE555. McDsp just answered every problem I have ever had with DeEssing with the DE555. I am curious what other people think and which one people choose. Hopefully this helps. Ok. Im tired.

PS: The other new McDsp plugs are pretty damn cool also. I swear I do not work for mcDsp. I just love finding good sounding gear that solves problems and McDsp keeps making things that fit that description. I should work for mcdsp. I'll go door to door.

[Chaellus]

you can also de-ess thru sidechaing if you like all you need is an Eq and a compressor with a sidechaining feature

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by Kadden Heart

care to elaborate at all about yor mic' technique?

sure

i place the mic about 20-40 centimetres below the chin of the vocalist and about 30 centimetres in front of them and point the mic at their mouth...i can still achieve very intimate recordings by changing these variables.

not only does it minimise essing in a big way but you don't need to use a pop shield either. i really don't like pop shields cos they impart artefacts to the recording. i also have acoustic treatment around the vocalist.
it also rids the sound completely of spitting sounds if that were a problem

YMMV