Your favotire ITB DeEssers?

[coyotekells]

^^^
Any chance u could load up a lil graphics app and draw a diagram?

I understand that's asking a bit much, but if u would, I'm definitely coming back to the thread to check ;)

[The Beatsmith]

alternatively, show us some recordings with this amazing mic technique

[Kadden Heart]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

sure

i place the mic about 20-40 centimetres below the chin of the vocalist and about 30 centimetres in front of them and point the mic at their mouth...i can still achieve very intimate recordings by changing these variables.

not only does it minimise essing in a big way but you don't need to use a pop shield either. i really don't like pop shields cos they impart artefacts to the recording. i also have acoustic treatment around the vocalist.
it also rids the sound completely of spitting sounds if that were a problem

YMMV

great!
thanks a lot.
that makes sense, althugh something i've not seen or tried, i'll defintiely employ that idea to see how i can get er' to work,
thanks!

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by The Beatsmith

alternatively, show us some recordings with this amazing mic technique

it's for commercial release but may export a small portion when i finish editing it

it's the only track on the album i recorded with this technique, the last track i recorded
it's always the way that you learn something at a point a wish you had done everything that way

[coyotekells]

^yep, ain't that the truth!!

Still interested in a more detailed explaination tho.. I mean, pointing the mic at the singer, for example, can mean different things.

Is the mic mounted upside down or right side up? etc etc etc etc

Thx for the tips. I don't wanna do it on the last track of the album like you did ;) so let's clarify this info :)

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by St. Kelly

^yep, ain't that the truth!!

Still interested in a more detailed explaination tho.. I mean, pointing the mic at the singer, for example, can mean different things.

Is the mic mounted upside down or right side up? etc etc etc etc

Thx for the tips. I don't wanna do it on the last track of the album like you did ;) so let's clarify this info :)

i tell you what, i'm off to london for a couple of days but when i get back i will set it up and post images...most likely on the weekend

i'm not saying its best technique for everyone but it worked wonders for me and there was little trade-off, meaning it didn't affect the sound in an adverse way, only positive

cheers, grant

[AnAverageJoe]

Originally Posted by Rukas

What are you guys using? I needa find a new one because RenDesser SUCKS!

You just don't know how to utilize it properly. I've gotten it to sound great! even for removing the Keh and Teh words out of vocals.

[izzi]

Originally Posted by UnMix Studio

I see people complain about almost every de'esser on the market, as if they all are bad. If folks just learn how to de'esse properly there'll be less complaints.

De'essing take some skills and getting used to especially on the plugins.

With that said, Pro Tools standard (the 1st version) de'esser is a very good one, easy to use.
Ren De'esser is very good also. Did alot of work on it and worked well. Can't see how one thinks it sucks. (It's one of the good ones out there.)

Sonnox is good, but i think it takes sometimes getting used too and knowing how to make it work efficiently.

E2 De'esser is the BOMB. Just pick it up yesterday. It also takes some time knowing it, but not much. Extremely flexible. Con, It wil change the tone if you start to use the voice eq section, just avoid that. (put it first in the chain the eq to avoid tone changing issue) It does take a lil long to load in PT, Logic too. Pros, very good, simple.
Other than that I'll lsay it's the most flexible D'esser on the market so far, imo. Sonnox is there but too complex, a lil.

I've used these four to help my comments.

P.S. I still love the Pro Tools De'esser when i'm in PT.

Hi UnMix Studio,

You mention "long loading time" using the E2 De'esser. About how long? Because I'm using it and it takes nearly 20 seconds to load! You can see my posting here:

Eiosis Software


Thanks!

[uncle duncan]

Out of 4 deesers I tried - UAD Precision, Sonnox, Nomad Blue Tubes (a couple years old) and the new Eiosis, the Eiosis won hands down. To my ears, the Eiosis was the most effective without changing the sound of the vocal. Very flexible, but with an understandable user interface.

They say on the Eiosis website you can automate it to catch severe 'S's, leaving a more moderate setting for the rest of the track, but I haven't gotten that far.

[izzi]

uncle duncan,

Thanks for the reply, I got your PM. Yes, I did get in touch with Xavier (nice guy!) and he's looking into it on his end. If I may ask, what was the problem you were having?

Thanks!

[Jorg]

I demoed the UAD de-esser and I haven't been that impressed. It certainly works but I couldn't find a reason to spend money on it especially because I alreadym own the Waves R-Desser which is just as good (to me).

I wouldnt mind demoing that Eiosis tho.

[Beyersound]

Originally Posted by mm-pro

The Uad-1 one is great. For free, Spitfish does a good job:
digitalfishphones.com - free audio effects plugins


Of course, mic selection and placement to avoid excessive esses is even better.

Regards,

MM

+1 for the UAD-1 Precision De-esser! It has a bandwith control, unlike most others.