are there any samples left...?

[hazza]

not to pick a subject too close to the heart of a forum entitled 'Rap + Hip Hop Engineering & Production', but here goes...

i saw this page linked in another thread: http://banach.lse.ac.uk/DRUMS/drums.html
and i noticed how many times each of these breaks had been sampled.

how deep can you dig? is there such a thing as an original sample to be found?

[terrytee]

I realize it may seem that way sometimes but there still lots out there.

Am sure someone will on this forum will say that there all well know already but to be honest only a fool would be so arrogant as to think they know it all. Mistake 1 is people often only check the obvious genres such as soul & funk.

Anyway nobody in the world has all the records out there. Theres just simply to many fields of music to chose from. But i guess the main problem is people often only go for the type of break that all you really needed to do is loop it up and your away. Certainly if you want good full sounds the list is endless.

P.S.
If you wanna change up some well known breaks just try sampling shit at different EQs or peak levels it will totally change the sound up.

[Lee702]

Check this dude out YouTube - world's greatest collectro

[anguswoodhead]

Originally Posted by Lee702

Check this dude out YouTube - world's greatest collectro

What a weasel - I'de like his record collection though.

[Dor]

The rainman of records.

D

[Spire]

might sound simple or whatever, but you just gotta find different ways to flip em or chop them up. Im sure if you were given plenty of time you could make the most "non amazing" drum break or sample into something that makes people take a second or third listen, you know? sometimes youve gotta just take a snare here, a kick here ad whatever else you can find.

and another example, the amen break and ragga jungle. been sampled and craaaazzy re-aranged a billion times. theres a cool video about it on youtube if you havnt seen it too.

YouTube - Video explains the world's most important 6-sec drum loop

[beat you down]

Originally Posted by hazza

...how deep can you dig? is there such a thing as an original sample to be found?

yes there is, there's zillions of records out there.
but there's different approaches and views on sampling as well.
some people strictly use samples that haven't been sampled before.
others, like myself at the moment, find it a challenge to sample stuff that HAS been sampled before so it'll all depend on how i flip it instead of what i sample.

have fun.

[terrytee]

Originally Posted by anguswoodhead

What a weasel - I'de like his record collection though.

million? that alot of records

My friend when i was at school over 18 years ago had over 16000, a lot of doubles, i don't know how how much he has now but i will be a lot more but i guess no were near a million.

[moracspace]

Just so you know all music is recycled.

[Keyflo]

its just how you flip it?? and yes music is recycled

[terrytee]

Originally Posted by moracspace

Just so you know all music is recycled.

this is very true & its not only referring to the sample world, live music or any sound based entertainment, its more or less all art forms.


like Ketflo says "its just how you flip it"

[superjc]

Here's another great documentary about this subject:

YouTube - Beat Diggin' Documentary

At 6:30 or so, he's talking about P Diddy without really saying his name, really good point about the art and not money.

[terrytee]

Originally Posted by Lee702

Check this dude out YouTube - world's greatest collectro

This dude said there was 4 bands beginning with Q, i know the list on the following link is a artist list but bands are included & to be honest i often find many great songs in my collection that both artist & tracks haven't been yet submitted to discog & my vinyl collection is only a couple of thousand at the most. Not knocking this dude on the you tube i bet he still has a dope collection.

Artists / Q

This track is dope, whole song is fire too, & Graham Nash is a britsh folk singer, not your tipical funk soul act.

[ds-ds]

Originally Posted by hazza

i saw this page linked in another thread: Takeaway Breaks - Drum Loops
and i noticed how many times each of these breaks had been sampled.

how deep can you dig? is there such a thing as an original sample to be found?

I don't believe that site or...it is so deeply changed /I mean breaks are compressed, eq'ed etc./.

>>> I'm talking bout that break:
Bad Bascomb - Black Grass (97 K)
This is a dirty, busy drum loop from a bunch of black guys playing bluegrass -- Black Grass! It's sort of funk with a banjo. The album is quite cool, actually (or maybe not). These drums were used on 'It's Yourz' by Wu-Tang Clan.

So if you could do something that different (or I hear RZA /or somebody/ made it really nice) so I don't woory about how can you flip, process the break.

One.




P.S. Yeah, yeah - I do believe. :)

[delano517]

Originally Posted by terrytee

This dude said there was 4 bands beginning with Q, i know the list on the following link is a artist list but bands are included & to be honest i often find many great songs in my collection that both artist & tracks haven't been yet submitted to discog & my vinyl collection is only a couple of thousand at the most. Not knocking this dude on the you tube i bet he still has a dope collection.

Artists / Q

This track is dope, whole song is fire too, & Graham Nash is a britsh folk singer, not your tipical funk soul act.

Beans used that on his first album THE TRUTH!!

[tonymission]

Nope.

All the samples are dead. Gone.

Every single one.

Sampling is over.




... Amy Winehouse breaks don't sound good chopped at all.

Don't try anything new.

Just... realize, sampling.... is dead.

[Silver Sonya]

The title of this thread (and so many others in this forum) make me feel kind of lonely.

I thought the title was a joke. I really did. No disrespect to the original poster, but I seriously thought it was intended to be funny.

Then when I realized it's not a joke, I got kinda sad.

This morning, I had a field day sampling and re-pitchin from a recording of ancient Roman harp music. Thrift shop vinyl. Randomly chosen for its cover.

Just changing the pitch of the original notes and messing around with them and putting them in a fresh context... I mean, it's all so exciting to me.

To me, hip hop represents music with no boundaries. It is profoundly limitless music; every gesture you make speaks so much of your soul and your experiences. Because it is all about how you reflect and re-contextualize what you have heard.

This is so amazing to me and why I fell in love with this music in the first place. The thrill of how different personalities manifest in the form of pure sonics. RZA (or insert your favorite producer, DJ or MC) sounds different from everybody else because RZA is different from everybody else. Period. To me, hip hop is pure soul.

In the age of digital technology, it costs almost nothing to freak beats. You need some software, maybe a turntable, very minimal gear. Your imagination is the limit. This should be fun and inspiring. If you've got some real vision, you can change the world.

But when I read a question like this --- or any of the myriad of "Please tell me how to imitate exactly what someone else has done?" threads --- I get sad.

I come to this forum (and others like it on the web) to maybe feel a sense of connection or community with other crazy fools who are in their house making crazy sounds, blowing up their headphones. 'Cause that's what I have been doing all day. Last weekend I had a conversation with my neighbor's kid, who is four years old. I handed him a microphone and had him sing into it. Kids love microphones. Now I got a little library of samples from just that afternoon of recording a four-year-old freestyling.

Then I fire up the internet browser to read "There are no samples left..."

Help me out here.

Put on De La Soul Is Dead and be reminded that all you need is some vision.

Some vision and a real feeling.

- c

[ds-ds]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

This morning, I had a field day sampling and re-pitchin from a recording of ancient Roman harp music. Thrift shop vinyl. Randomly chosen for its cover.

Just changing the pitch of the original notes and messing around with them and putting them in a fresh context... I mean, it's all so exciting to me.

You're dead wrong, man. And you shouldn't be so excited. Not anymore. You were probably messing with the last sample! Do you realize?





P.S.
It's better be good

[Silver Sonya]

Originally Posted by ds-ds

You're dead wrong, man. And you shouldn't be so excited. Not anymore. You were probably messing with the last sample! Do you realize?





P.S.
It's better be good

:)

Ha! "It better be good" is the only thing that matters, right? If my chopped up Roman harp record doesn't bob the head, what good is it to anybody? I fully feel you. But that's the beauty of the thing.

Eye of the beholder.

- c

p.s. OT: If anybody wants to see totally amazing pre-hip hop collage art, check out this man's work.. It will make you realize that hip hop has existed for centuries.

[huggie]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

The title of this thread (and so many others in this forum) make me feel kind of lonely.

I thought the title was a joke. I really did. No disrespect to the original poster, but I seriously thought it was intended to be funny.

Then when I realized it's not a joke, I got kinda sad.

This morning, I had a field day sampling and re-pitchin from a recording of ancient Roman harp music. Thrift shop vinyl. Randomly chosen for its cover.

Just changing the pitch of the original notes and messing around with them and putting them in a fresh context... I mean, it's all so exciting to me.

To me, hip hop represents music with no boundaries. It is profoundly limitless music; every gesture you make speaks so much of your soul and your experiences. Because it is all about how you reflect and re-contextualize what you have heard.

This is so amazing to me and why I fell in love with this music in the first place. The thrill of how different personalities manifest in the form of pure sonics. RZA (or insert your favorite producer, DJ or MC) sounds different from everybody else because RZA is different from everybody else. Period. To me, hip hop is pure soul.

In the age of digital technology, it costs almost nothing to freak beats. You need some software, maybe a turntable, very minimal gear. Your imagination is the limit. This should be fun and inspiring. If you've got some real vision, you can change the world.

But when I read a question like this --- or any of the myriad of "Please tell me how to imitate exactly what someone else has done?" threads --- I get sad.

I come to this forum (and others like it on the web) to maybe feel a sense of connection or community with other crazy fools who are in their house making crazy sounds, blowing up their headphones. 'Cause that's what I have been doing all day. Last weekend I had a conversation with my neighbor's kid, who is four years old. I handed him a microphone and had him sing into it. Kids love microphones. Now I got a little library of samples from just that afternoon of recording a four-year-old freestyling.

Then I fire up the internet browser to read "There are no samples left..."

Help me out here.

Put on De La Soul Is Dead and be reminded that all you need is some vision.

Some vision and a real feeling.

- c

I'm totally down with Silver Sonya...

Getting my first sampler (Akai X7000) totally blew my mind...

I still find new and interesting samples everywhere!

My latest thing is cassettes... I love sampling off old tapes... Children's stories, self help tapes, 80's stuff... and the sound is lo-fi yet so phat!

Exploration and experimentation are the mothers of invention!

Regards
Hugo

[terrytee]

Originally Posted by delano517

Beans used that on his first album THE TRUTH!!

yes thats the truth, but it just an example of stepping out of the soul genre.

BTW am not going to post examples of work not yet used, my mother didn't raise me to be a sucka. Yall can find your own break mother ****ers

[Docmattic]

Originally Posted by terrytee

This dude said there was 4 bands beginning with Q, i know the list on the following link is a artist list but bands are included & to be honest i often find many great songs in my collection that both artist & tracks haven't been yet submitted to discog & my vinyl collection is only a couple of thousand at the most. Not knocking this dude on the you tube i bet he still has a dope collection.

Artists / Q

This track is dope, whole song is fire too, & Graham Nash is a britsh folk singer, not your tipical funk soul act.

that songs been sampled more than once then by the sound of it.. got it here..if i recall it was used by westside connection

[terrytee]

Originally Posted by Docmattic

that songs been sampled more than once then by the sound of it.. got it here..if i recall it was used by westside connection

yeah man i already know this. But even though its been had a few times its still a good example of going out of the norm genre. At the end of the day its naive to think it ends with whats all ready been used, plus that just goes to show that some cats don't have much imagination or digging capabilities.

still a lot samples out there than just the ones used by cats peers.

[Teo Macero]

Dude, there's so much material out there nobody would ever think of using in a track. Plus there's a thousand ways to chop and flip things, so as far as sampling I think there's plenty of stuff left. It's about what happens to it during the creative process.

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by tonymission

Nope.

All the samples are dead. Gone.

Every single one.

Sampling is over.




... Amy Winehouse breaks don't sound good chopped at all.

Don't try anything new.

Just... realize, sampling.... is dead.

lol far from it man... just gotta steer yourself away from all that jazz isht and break into something different. Jazz records aren't the only type that can sound soulful when chopped and arranged real nicely.

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by hazza

how deep can you dig? is there such a thing as an original sample to be found?

New records are made every day... how can you run out of stuff to sample?

[ryst]