logic studio or protools

[djburnone]

seen a good set up for a good price with logic, which is better logic studio or protools. also if i were to get this computer base setup,would the korg m3 be still a needed item or would it be unnessacery?

[Dante310]

just get logic, forget the m3, and start making some beats

[ProducerBoy]

Pro Tools is great if your just looking to track and mix, but if you are looking to make music (midi sequencing etc) Logic is your best bet.

[KEYBEEETSSS]

Yeah to what Producerboy said...If u don't plan on doin work besides just beats/music, Logic would suit u; If ur doing work, & I mean really recording vocals, mixing, etc, then u wanna get Pro tools...

[BezowinZ]

Originally Posted by ProducerBoy

Pro Tools is great if your just looking to track and mix, but if you are looking to make music...

That's hilarious.

[henryrobinett]

I don't know man. I have Logic Studio. I have PT-M powered. I prefer Logic over PT. Logic is fun. But I really prefer DP. Shoot me. Logic is sill a headache for me.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by ProducerBoy

Pro Tools is great if your just looking to track and mix, but if you are looking to make music (midi sequencing etc) Logic is your best bet.

Last time I checked, you could make music without midi sequencing etc. I know it's the hip hop forum 'n' all, but if making music is defined by programming...I give up!

A better way of putting it might be Logic comes with more soft synths (so you can get going straight away), and many people find it easier to program in logic. But there's very little you can do in Logic that you can't do in PT, and many would say the learning curve for PT basics is shallower than for logic.

[halfguard]

use what you like, ive used pro tools and now im using logic, or should i say im using both. they both have their strengths and weaknesses. however, you can do any and everything with both. its just a workflow ?

[ProducerBoy]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

Last time I checked, you could make music without midi sequencing etc. I know it's the hip hop forum 'n' all, but if making music is defined by programming...I give up!

A better way of putting it might be Logic comes with more soft synths (so you can get going straight away), and many people find it easier to program in logic. But there's very little you can do in Logic that you can't do in PT, and many would say the learning curve for PT basics is shallower than for logic.

Thanks for checking.
As a composer/arranger, I have found Logic to be far more useful than PT. Obviously programming isn't "defining" music, but if you aren't sporting a collection of outboard or synth/drum machines...I would suggest Logic.

[riecespieces]

both prefered but if u have to choose one then go with logic

[piccazzo]

If u don't plan on doin work besides just beats/music, Logic would suit u; If ur doing work, & I mean really recording vocals, mixing, etc, then u wanna get Pro tools...

Even more hilarious.

Based on your statement you CAN´T record , edit or mix in Logic right ?
The one and ONLY selling point to choose PT over Logic is if your working with client´s that will work in multiple studios in US becaue almost every studio has PT , or if you work with television/advertisement as most of the visual work is done in Avid and as both are owned by digidesing they work well together.However if you aiming for a more Internationel level then Logic is by far more Standard in studios in Europe and is growing everyday now that they slached the price so much.Most proffesionall studios in europe run Logic with Pro Tools hardvare when they switched as they had all the money invested in the converters etc , but those who sell off or upgrade theyr studio rarely go down the PT HD3 route anymore.

But as said , Both are equal ic quality , one is not better than the other just different AND theres i difference betwenn PTHD and PTLE.

[H-Rezz]

Originally Posted by djburnone

seen a good set up for a good price with logic, which is better logic studio or protools. also if i were to get this computer base setup,would the korg m3 be still a needed item or would it be unnessacery?

Depends if you want a white canvas or a pallete of colors and brushes to go with your canvas..

P.Tools=White canvas
Logic8=White canvas, colours and brushes ....

[H-Rezz]

Originally Posted by KEYBEEETSSS

Yeah to what Producerboy said...If u don't plan on doin work besides just beats/music, Logic would suit u; If ur doing work, & I mean really recording vocals, mixing, etc, then u wanna get Pro tools...

Huh?? I just Beat Detectived, 4 live drums tracks, replaced(Augmented) the sounds to those drums tracks, recorded the vocs,guitars and synths all in Logic, are you sure only P.Tools can do this ?

I'm soon gonna mix it in Logic8 too wish me luck

[Ashermusic]

They are both great apps but for me, Logic "thinks" like a composer, PT "thinks" like an engineer, so I recommend make your choice based on what you primarily do.

[SoundProofStudio]

Never had a PT expirience, but LP8 is Everything i would need...

[ToneCre8]

I just came in to tell you not to let anyone tell you what is best for you.

[sheever]

I ve got PT Mpowered wich is small toy for small guys.
but something interest.ProTools got better plug ins than all other DAWs.
forex:
MCDSP,focusrite d2,d3.etc

[sevendaysoff]

Originally Posted by sheever

I ve got PT Mpowered wich is small toy for small guys.
but something interest.ProTools got better plug ins than all other DAWs.
forex:
MCDSP,focusrite d2,d3.etc

hmm.. i'd hardly say protools Mpowered is a 'small toy' . It's on the level of protools LE and while some work-arounds are nessecary to have professional workflow, its def. no toy.

Do you know how to use beat detective, or is that toy just over your head?

Also, your statements about plugins are total crap too. mcdsp does make great plugins but they're not the only company around.

use whatever you feel comfortable using.

for the record i'm a pro tools user. and i make plenty of music in pro tools.

[sheever]

yes, i love it PT Mpowered.
small toy means i use this Mpowered with Maudio omni66.
i cant catch you guys with your Avalon, Prism,Neve gears.

I see you got a lots of experience with this plug ins,tell me wich is so great?i am really courious cose i tried a lot...

[Ace_TX]

since you are so indecisive on equipment

i already recommended in another thread to call Sweetwater and talk to one of those sales engineers, explain your situation, your budget and listen to what they have to say...i'm sure they talk to people everyday with the same questions you have.

you are wasting time asking the same questions over and over again; everyone is gonna tell u something different; make a decision...learn your hardware/software...then start making music

buy you that M3 you have been wanting + build you a pc for audio only + a hardware inteface/control surface (protools perhaps projectmix i/o)



lets go!

M-Audio Project Mix + ProTools M-Powered 7.4 projectmix - eBay (item 140210042199 end time Mar-01-08 08:09:58 PST)

[sheever]

*Also, your statements about plugins are total crap too. mcdsp does make great plugins but they're not the only company around.*

in the NATIVE plug ins the biggest problem the unwanted colour ,aliasing and freq modification problems.we did many test with the best plug ins around here on some another forum so this is not my oppinion.

orso check the prices as well beetwen thoose stuffs.
anyway the best solutions buying DSP cards like UAD.or?

[sevendaysoff]

sheever:

i have no idea what you are even trying to say.

your saying "m powered sucks but the plugins for pro tools are great"

then you say NATIVE format plugins have coding errors. ?!

I'm guessing you mean TDM plugins are the best (and for pro tools, im imagining?!)
im still confused, but so we're on the same level heres my view:

m powered & le are both provide users with more than enough adequate tools to make great music.

To say you can't make professional quality music with these programs is ridiculous & more often then not when someone is making comments like this the real problem is USER_ERROR.

Now bringing the music into the computer is a completely different story. If you're using a POS converter it wont sound good in any program. GIGO.

However, I'd take PT mpowered, a pro fire lightbridge & lynx aurora , over a apogee ensemble & logic anyday. But as stated i'm quite biased as a pro tools user.

I own a HD system myself, but have worked on LE/mpowered systems many times doing freelance & remote work.

to each his own. I try to concentrate on the music more than what I'm using to make it. If you have the mentality "my gear sucks, i need new gear to get to X level" , it will show in your music. Instead of experimenting and learning how to use what you have, you have the preconceived mentality that the reason it doesnt sound how you want it is because your tools arent capable of accomplishing the task. The real issue is that the user isnt going the extra mile to make things sound how they should.

there is no magic box. unless its big & magical enough to fit years & years of experience in it.

[Heezzi]

Sonar on PC and Logic on Mac runs circles around Pro Tools LE and M Powered. The lack of ADC and the low track counts severely limits the program. Unless you are recording a band and don't need more than 32 mono tracks, it isn't worth it. On the flip side, if you need easy compatiblity with Pro Tools HD and so forth then it is worth having.

In my case, the only reason I bought it was to open Pro Tools HD recorded projects and have access to a functioning version of Vocalign.


Make your music in Logic and Export to wav.

[sheever]

what i mean exactly is PT mpowered is like PT LE,so not include full options if i am not wrong.
ad2:M powered goes with Maudio audio intarface as well wich one dinamic range is like my forexamlpe is 102-108db.(Emu has 120-120db)but doesnt matter.

about plug ins.
NOT all NATIVE plugins work with all DAW,forex TLSPACE,MCDSP,FOCUSRITE or just simple bombfactorys and many more.
thats why i said to PT goes better plugins.
I didnt said is any code problem.
i said what i said so read carefully that part please.

[dannygold]

Love vocalign!

[sheever]

*To say you can't make professional quality music with these programs is ridiculous & more often then not when someone is making comments like this the real problem is USER_ERROR.*

professional quality music depends on gears and tools ,not on programs.
you can use cubase logic or pt whatever.quality is different thing.

or you can work without those seq use it only outboards and anlogue seq with HD.

[Storyville]

LOGIC LOGIC LOGIC:

1.) Pro Tool does not EASILY accept VST software.

2.) DigiDesign does not LIKE YOU, nor will they PICK UP THE PHONE.

3.) Pro Fools beat devices are subpar.

4.) Pro sTool midi programming is annoying to look at, and not very versatile.

5.) Logic does not take proprietary hardware. Ho Tools ONLY works with Digi hardware. If you want to use M-Audio you have to specifically get M-Powered ProTools (which is better than LE anyway).

6.) Logic can track in 92, ProTools only goes up to 48 unless you get HD.

7.) AH!

8.) Most pro studios have Pro Tools, many have Logic. It's the only advantage to Pro Tools. BUT ITS NOT BECAUSE PT IS BETTER!!!! It's because the Pro Tool was there first. In either case, you can still convert the wave files in little time.




AH!

[Roc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by Storyville

LOGIC LOGIC LOGIC:

1.) Pro Tool does not EASILY accept VST software.

2.) DigiDesign does not LIKE YOU, nor will they PICK UP THE PHONE.

3.) Pro Fools beat devices are subpar.

4.) Pro sTool midi programming is annoying to look at, and not very versatile.

5.) Logic does not take proprietary hardware. Ho Tools ONLY works with Digi hardware. If you want to use M-Audio you have to specifically get M-Powered ProTools (which is better than LE anyway).

6.) Logic can track in 92, ProTools only goes up to 48 unless you get HD.

7.) AH!

8.) Most pro studios have Pro Tools, many have Logic. It's the only advantage to Pro Tools. BUT ITS NOT BECAUSE PT IS BETTER!!!! It's because the Pro Tool was there first. In either case, you can still convert the wave files in little time.




AH!

Fully Agree 100%!

[Storyville]

9.) Only 16 tracks in PT.

10.) Have to pay extra for mp3 coding.

11.) If you are just getting started, you want to have as much versatility as possible. If you do decide to go with pro tools, you'll eventually see its limitations, but you can definitely make great music with it. Get M-powered though so you can use other DAWs later. But I'd say rock with logic if you're going for one or the other.

[ALL*MYTEE]

Logic is a great composition tool. You get synths, drum machines, drum synths, tons of drum/bass/guitar/drum machine sounds, pianos, clavs, Rhodes, B3--all kinds of sounds and some very, very good included plugs. The new compressor is fantastic, and Delay Designer is the hit for Manny Fresh/Cash money style rapid fire beats. (Yeah, I do stuff like that!)

Pro Tools is good for some heavy audio editing and for being able to walk into any studio and pull up sessions. Although with Logic being $500, I imagine that's changing very fast. Most of 'em have already got Macs.

+1 for Logic.