logic studio or protools

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Storyville

9.) Only 16 Stereo tracks in PT.(or 32 mono)

10.) Have to pay extra for mp3 coding.

Clarification added ;)

[Jahrome]

Question..

So can you or can you not run Logic off of Pro Tools HD hardware?

[piccazzo]

So can you or can you not run Logic off of Pro Tools HD hardware

Yes u can.

[$uper$tar]

I have Pro Tools, I love Pro Tools, and I can do anything I need to do in Pro Tools. It is just a tool, whatever you are more comfortable with is your best bet.

[Jahrome]

Originally Posted by $uper$tar

I have Pro Tools, I love Pro Tools, and I can do anything I need to do in Pro Tools. It is just a tool, whatever you are more comfortable with is your best bet.

So what do you love about Pro Tools?

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by Storyville
9.) Only 16 Stereo tracks in PT.(or 32 mono)

10.) Have to pay extra for mp3 coding.

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

Clarification added ;)

32 simultaneous audio tracks (Mono or Stereo), with 128 virtual audio tracks total.

More Clarification added ;)

[djburnone]

i seen on youtube where protools have some awsome vocal editing programing, what about logic, does logic studio have vocal editing abilities as well ? explain

[piccazzo]

explain

Search and read reviews.But yes Logic has vocalediting abilities as does
Sonar
Cubase
FL Studio
Tracktor
Ableton
Nuendo
and a bunch of others

[Jahrome]

Originally Posted by piccazzo

Yes u can.

So..does that mean that the DigiDesign's Control 24 can be used to control Logic? Can you run TDM plugs in Logic? Please outline it's limitations. I am very curious.

[piccazzo]

If you have TDM hardvare you canrun TDM plug-ins..

Please loutline in limitations. I am very curious.

Ever heard of Google ?


took me 10 sec to find the PDF for Logic and TDM.Took me longer to write this than giving you the link.

[Jahrome]

Originally Posted by piccazzo

If you have TDM hardvare you canrun TDM plug-ins..


Ever heard of Google ?


took me 10 sec to find the PDF for Logic and TDM.Took me longer to write this than giving you the link.

Yes I have heard of google which can bring you write back to this site silly. Most of the information in this thread can be found if you look hard enough. Since that is the case, why even have a forum?

And I am fully aware that you can't run TDM plugs without a TDM system.

Thanks for your useful comments. You gotta love these forums.

[piccazzo]

Thanks for your useful comments

Your welcome.

Here´s the link btw

h**p://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=Logic+Pro +%2B+TDM&btnG=Search

[Jahrome]

Originally Posted by piccazzo

Your welcome.

Here´s the link btw

h**p://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=Logic+Pro +%2B+TDM&btnG=Search

Thanks but I am more interested in Gear Slutz forum members that have hands on experience with these products versus what is written in some manuals. Manuals which I have already downloaded but don't address hardware like the Control 24.

Since these documents don't mention the Control 24, I have to assume that it isn't provide the same sort of control (if any at all) as it does with Pro Tools software.

Now if you have actual experience with both, please feel free to share your experiences..which is (I assume) the reason why forums like these exist in the first place.

[$uper$tar]

Originally Posted by Jahrome

So what do you love about Pro Tools?

Once you learn it, it is very easy and straight forward. The audio editing in Pro Tools is amazing. MIDI could be better, but I don't use it much. If you are getting Pro Tools Le, you can get the Music Production Tool Kit to up your track count to 48 mono tracks, get Beat Detective HD, Sound Replacer, and some other cool things. Yes, there are limitations with Pro Tools that you may not find with other programs, especially hardware restrictions, but if you can get over that stuff it is great for recording, editing and mixing audio!

[Teo Macero]

PT over Logic any day. I've been composing in PT since 5.1, never went back.

[s.d.finley]

Originally Posted by Storyville

9.) Only 16 tracks in PT.

10.) Have to pay extra for mp3 coding.

11.) If you are just getting started, you want to have as much versatility as possible. If you do decide to go with pro tools, you'll eventually see its limitations, but you can definitely make great music with it. Get M-powered though so you can use other DAWs later. But I'd say rock with logic if you're going for one or the other.

Only 16 tracks ? Are you using PT 3?

[Jahrome]

Originally Posted by $uper$tar

Once you learn it, it is very easy and straight forward. The audio editing in Pro Tools is amazing. MIDI could be better, but I don't use it much. If you are getting Pro Tools Le, you can get the Music Production Tool Kit to up your track count to 48 mono tracks, get Beat Detective HD, Sound Replacer, and some other cool things. Yes, there are limitations with Pro Tools that you may not find with other programs, especially hardware restrictions, but if you can get over that stuff it is great for recording, editing and mixing audio!

I feel you...but all the leading DAWs do just what you described and don't have the limitations of Pro Tools LE. Also, Pro Tools LE is a far cry from Pro Tools HD.

[Storyville]

alright, I stand corrected, I guess its been updated.

12) there's a glitch in m-powered 7.4. It times itself out on some computers forcing you to create a new user account in order to reopen it.

Yeah, pro tools is great, especially if you already have it and are familiar with it (and you're not using it for midi programming). BUT IF YOU ARE STARTING FRESH I PERSONALLY DO NOT FEEL IT IS THE BEST CHOICE. Not saying there aren't reasons to use PT, and certainly not saying that you can't make incredible music on PT.

[Mr. Z]

I have both LP8 and Pro Tools M-Powered. I choose Logic as my main platform, but Pro Tools has it's strengths.

- I definitely prefer Pro Tools for any pitch & time adjustment to audio. When using the automatic time compression which adjusts to tempo in Logic, I get a fan-like effect; unless I'm doing something wrong in the settings, it's unusable. In Pro Tools it works like a charm. Had to speed up some spoken word for a client recently, tried it in Logic and it was a mess; Pro Tools saved me.

- MIDI timing in Logic 8 is excellent. MIDI arrangements with lots of tracks feel solid and MTC is tight and consistent. Pro Tools feels choppy and jittery. Of course, that may be because I'm using M-powered.

- I love tracking vocals in Logic (folders, comping, unpack). Everything is right there in view and can be easily comped later.

- I think they both have a sound. I'm not very technical, but there is definitely a sonic character to both programs, in my opinion. Logic 8 overall sounds good to me, but plug-ins in Pro Tools seem smoother. I know it depends on which plug-in, but I notice an overall character in the final mix, based on EQ plug-ins, compression, etc.

Just my 2 cents...

[tonymission]

- i use pro tools because i have to.

- i use logic at home because i want to ... and have a choice.

[jikkyboy11]

I have a question for the PT ppl. I just got a MBox2Mini to learn ProTools for an internship I'm trying to get and to use with my mobile setup. Is Xpand a reworked version of Hypersonic 2? Anyboydy else notice that or is that just me?

[D-Sahn Productio]

Originally Posted by Storyville

LOGIC LOGIC LOGIC:

1.) Pro Tool does not EASILY accept VST software.

2.) DigiDesign does not LIKE YOU, nor will they PICK UP THE PHONE.

3.) Pro Fools beat devices are subpar.

4.) Pro sTool midi programming is annoying to look at, and not very versatile.

5.) Logic does not take proprietary hardware. Ho Tools ONLY works with Digi hardware. If you want to use M-Audio you have to specifically get M-Powered ProTools (which is better than LE anyway).

6.) Logic can track in 92, ProTools only goes up to 48 unless you get HD.

7.) AH!

8.) Most pro studios have Pro Tools, many have Logic. It's the only advantage to Pro Tools. BUT ITS NOT BECAUSE PT IS BETTER!!!! It's because the Pro Tool was there first. In either case, you can still convert the wave files in little time.




AH!

I am not here to defend Protools to the death, I agree is has its shortcomings.

as far as the "Pro Tool does not EASILY accept VST software." the VST->RTAS wrapper is my friend, and works very easily.

Protools may not be better, but it is universal. I have worked on HD systems and LE+M-powered, and it is just something I am familiar with. To tell someone they are wrong for their comfortability factor is just a difference in personal opinion. I have heard great recordings done in Cool Edit. Were the artists wrong for using the program?

SSL's new conversion software should change things a bit and hopefully will give artists some more options in terms of software that they can use, and then get mixed elsewhere. again, to each his own

HD can record up to 48bit/192k, some might say overkill, but id take that anyday. I am not saying any program is better than the next. I agree with most of the negatives you point out. customer service is huge in this (or any) industry. they certainly need to work on that.

If anything, Protools is convenient, and thats what made my decision. I hate being a slave to digi equipment, but I have been dreaming of a Lightbridge, +DV toolkit, and Shadow Hills Equinox as my summing/monitoring/head end anyway thats my rant for the day

[Jahrome]

I would be interesting in hearing your music/projects recorded at 48 bit/192K.

[kevaquarian]

I have been using Logic professionally for years and really rate it highly. I can't speak about Logic 8, cos I'm not going there until Apple sort out the bugs and give us a proper stable version - at least 8.1, if not 8.2!)

Anyway, I recently got PT LE 7.4 and am a newbie to PT.

My first impressions are that PT is gonna be tops for audio editing, but the MIDI programming side looks less flexible than Logic.

Also, I agree that the track count on PT LE is pants. Since when is the track count decided by the software way down at 16 stereo tracks? Pants. Oh, but I can buy another 6 stereo tracks for £300? Thankyou! (not)

One other thing that stuck me straight away was that when I'm running RTAS VIs in PT, it gets stressed out FAR more quickly than Logic does. This does not encourage me to work with VIs in PT at all. I'm really looking to find out how to accurately sync Logic and PT LE on the same machine with one interface if poss, or get another interface for Logic if required.

(BTW, does anyone know exactly how to do this? Would love a PM about it please!)

I can run nuff VIs in Logic 7.2.3 and it laps it up even with the buffer on 128! PT loses it with way less VIs running and cries for a larger buffer setting etc - what's that about?

I also notice that to my ears, PT sounds really good (if you know what I mean?)...

I shan't say much more until I've checked out PT in more depth and found my workflow set-up there......

[musikmind]

I'm new to protools LE 6.4 Infact I'm a real novice
and i want to know lots of things about protools and
one of them is
how can i record instrument virtually using midi
I have the necessary softwares for instruments. i have
softwares like stadalone minimoog v, wave station, ms
20. but i don't know how to record them in tracks .
The keyboard i'm using is evolution(e49)
The computer i'm using is MAC OS X.
I'll be grateful if you help out because i've been
battling with this for more than two weeks now and i'm
not progressing at all.
Lucky

[Igotsoul4u]

Another vote for logic. To be honest though, the best solution is to get both. Don't forget that you will need an interface for logic. If you buy protools you get an interface and protools. Problem solved. Best of both worlds

[SoundWeavers]

Originally Posted by djburnone

seen a good set up for a good price with logic, which is better logic studio or protools. also if i were to get this computer base setup,would the korg m3 be still a needed item or would it be unnessacery?

LOGIC PRO 8 is perfect for HIP HOP, it comes complete with virtual instruments and loops - you can get to music making from the get go. No need for an audio interface, the MAC's built in IO is good enough, too.

Did I mention I'm a Pro Tools guy just getting my feet wet with Logic 8.

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by Jahrome

I would be interesting in hearing your music/projects recorded at 48 bit/192K.

You technically cant record anything at a higher bitrate than 24bit. Once the audio is within PTHD, all further processing will be done in 48bit double precision. This provides you with more processing headroom which helps to maintain your original 24bit audio resolution after putting your audio through multiple processing.