eminem vocal stacks

tonyscarbones · 21st February 2008, 09:03 PM

whats the best way to do it?

cuz his vocals you can tell that there's stacks in there but then you can't really hear them either it sounds like one thick vocal

kittonian · 21st February 2008, 10:48 PM

From what I understand it's meticulously recorded and edited and he triple tracks everything. I have done this with a few hip-hop artists who wanted that Eminem sound with great success. It takes a while to properly track and edit but the end result is great.

Once you have your 3 tracks perfected pan two of them to the side (i.e. one about 65 left and the other about 65 right). Bring those two down a bit so they just create the depth and fatness and bring the final track straight up the middle. Grouping all 3 and compressing them with a great stereo comp in parallel also helps quite a bit.

fontenele · 21st February 2008, 10:49 PM

isn't it vocalign straight up ?
It sounds very much like that.
They sound purposely not equal intonation wise and perfectly aligned.
to me it sounds very vocalign.

KBOY · 22nd February 2008, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontenele

isn't it vocalign straight up ?
It sounds very much like that.
They sound purposely not equal intonation wise and perfectly aligned.
to me it sounds very vocalign.

Could be, but vocalign does exactly what he's saying. Making all the syllables completely on with each other. I've always done it by hand. quite a bitch. Would like to give vocalign a try but i don't believe it works within Nuendo.

lpuma · 22nd February 2008, 04:42 AM

vocalign woks for PT but there's a standalone version, Tried but it's not like having vocalign in PT.

fontenele · 22nd February 2008, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBOY

Could be, but vocalign does exactly what he's saying. Making all the syllables completely on with each other. I've always done it by hand. quite a bitch. Would like to give vocalign a try but i don't believe it works within Nuendo.

And as I've been bitching... I don't understand why someone doesn't not come up with a VST, AU one click sync solution !
I've been dragging to buy a copy of vocalign for about 5 months now. I have melodyne but there is no 1 click sync function in melodyne and I sincerely do not understand that.

The "magical" one click sync !

lpuma · 22nd February 2008, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontenele

And as I've been bitching... I don't understand why someone doesn't not come up with a VST, AU one click sync solution !
I've been dragging to buy a copy of vocalign for about 5 months now. I have melodyne but there is no 1 click sync function in melodyne and I sincerely do not understand that.

The "magical" one click sync !

phillysoulman · 22nd February 2008, 06:24 PM

You could try Waves Doubler and the options therein.

Put your original in the middle, open up two instances of the plugin, and bus your original to each instance, l and r and see what happens.
You can offset the delay time.
Start at around 30ms.

STARSKI · 23rd February 2008, 02:39 AM

Vocalign is indispensable to me. I just got a new copy of dutchmuzik who is on here he'll hook it up for a good price. Its one of those must have tools for me for rap vocals and even rnb stacks etc. I've heard people say it messes up the sound but as long as the original and double are not waaay far off it does a great job. It still takes me time to do my vocals as I don't perfectly double the whole thing from my lead track and only certain words so you unless its an exact double you can't grab the original and then the double's whole track and align them. I just go thru and any part I find slight off I grab that region on the original and then grab the region on the ad lib track and align them. Its one of those things that I couldn't live without.

tonyscarbones · 23rd February 2008, 04:55 AM

damn i can't find an illmatic version for vocalign for MAC UB anywhere on the net

Stitch333 · 23rd February 2008, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

You could try Waves Doubler and the options therein.

I've played with that thing on and off for years and have never heard it sound as good as actual doubles and triples.
Could be I'm using that plug wrong...

but why not have the artist record the part right from the start.
Thats supposed to be their job, anyways

anguswoodhead · 23rd February 2008, 02:52 PM

You guys are getting me excited about this vocalign thing - I may have to start using my Tools over Cubase and get this thing rockin'.
I've been doing it the hard way for years now - manually going in and editing double and triple takes - Yuck - I hate it.

Stitch333 · 23rd February 2008, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anguswoodhead

You guys are getting me excited about this vocalign thing - I may have to start using my Tools over Cubase and get this thing rockin'.
I've been doing it the hard way for years now - manually going in and editing double and triple takes - Yuck - I hate it.

vocalign can save you A LOT of time.

The only thing I've noticed about vocalign is that it is very similar to the sesitivity of a gate.
Starski's point is a good one: Most of the time it works fine but make sure to double check any edits you do with vocalign as it tends to make up its own mind, as far as word alignment, sometimes. Especially the further off the double is from the main.

fontenele · 23rd February 2008, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyscarbones

damn i can't find an illmatic version for vocalign for MAC UB anywhere on the net

R u sure this exists?
Dude, If you find it don't forget post it!

tonyscarbones · 23rd February 2008, 08:00 PM

if i find it i will personally PM everyone in this thread

but the problem is i've looked everywhere with no luck

not even #'s

i need this so damn bad i might have to sell my mpc to get it

Rukas · 27th April 2008, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyscarbones

damn i can't find an illmatic version for vocalign for MAC UB anywhere on the net

Equally hard to find for PT 7+ on Windows :(. So if you do

...

Rukas · 27th April 2008, 09:51 AM

Looking at the option I dont think we need the 399 pound version of it, the 199pound Vocalign Project (either Audiosuite for Pro Tools or not) will work, still, with the exchange rate being what it is thats a lot of money :(

CharlesD · 27th April 2008, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyscarbones

whats the best way to do it?

cuz his vocals you can tell that there's stacks in there but then you can't really hear them either it sounds like one thick vocal

Man its not so easy!
I don't think somebody going to help you!

P3anut · 3rd May 2008, 10:35 PM

i was wondering the same thing

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21st February 2008, 09:03 PM	#1
tonyscarbones Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 265	eminem vocal stacks whats the best way to do it? cuz his vocals you can tell that there's stacks in there but then you can't really hear them either it sounds like one thick vocal

21st February 2008, 10:48 PM	#2
kittonian Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 2,397	From what I understand it's meticulously recorded and edited and he triple tracks everything. I have done this with a few hip-hop artists who wanted that Eminem sound with great success. It takes a while to properly track and edit but the end result is great. Once you have your 3 tracks perfected pan two of them to the side (i.e. one about 65 left and the other about 65 right). Bring those two down a bit so they just create the depth and fatness and bring the final track straight up the middle. Grouping all 3 and compressing them with a great stereo comp in parallel also helps quite a bit. __________________ Joshua Aaron President/Chief Engineer AudioLot/AudioLot Studios High End Pro Audio Sales & Consulting Recording/Music Production/Mixing http://www.audiolot.com

21st February 2008, 10:49 PM	#3
fontenele Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 275	isn't it... isn't it vocalign straight up ? It sounds very much like that. They sound purposely not equal intonation wise and perfectly aligned. to me it sounds very vocalign.

22nd February 2008, 06:24 PM	#8
phillysoulman Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The City Of Brotherly Love And Sisterly Affection Posts: 2,769	You could try Waves Doubler and the options therein. Put your original in the middle, open up two instances of the plugin, and bus your original to each instance, l and r and see what happens. You can offset the delay time. Start at around 30ms. __________________ "Professionals Built The Titanic,But Amateurs Built The Ark"

22nd February 2008, 04:42 AM	#5
lpuma Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,045	vocalign woks for PT but there's a standalone version, Tried but it's not like having vocalign in PT.

23rd February 2008, 02:39 AM	#9
STARSKI Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: YAY AREA!! Posts: 554	Vocalign is indispensable to me. I just got a new copy of dutchmuzik who is on here he'll hook it up for a good price. Its one of those must have tools for me for rap vocals and even rnb stacks etc. I've heard people say it messes up the sound but as long as the original and double are not waaay far off it does a great job. It still takes me time to do my vocals as I don't perfectly double the whole thing from my lead track and only certain words so you unless its an exact double you can't grab the original and then the double's whole track and align them. I just go thru and any part I find slight off I grab that region on the original and then grab the region on the ad lib track and align them. Its one of those things that I couldn't live without. __________________ http://itunes.com/starski/tomorrowaintpromised http://pimphoprecords.com/ http://myspace.com/pimphoprecords

23rd February 2008, 04:55 AM	#10
tonyscarbones Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 265	damn i can't find an illmatic version for vocalign for MAC UB anywhere on the net

23rd February 2008, 02:52 PM	#12
anguswoodhead Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lovin' the 500 series Posts: 613	You guys are getting me excited about this vocalign thing - I may have to start using my Tools over Cubase and get this thing rockin'. I've been doing it the hard way for years now - manually going in and editing double and triple takes - Yuck - I hate it. __________________ Woodhead Studios www.woodheadstudios.com http://www.myspace.com/woodheadstudios http://www.myspace.com/trackmanmusic "Again the word HOT is excruciatingly painfully recognizable and when you realize that my mixes are straight FIRE then you admit that you will spontaneously COMBUST if you play my tracks in the car... matter of fact, if you BURN my mix to a cd and put it in your gas tank, it will power your car." "illacov" on the Hip Hop forum.

23rd February 2008, 08:00 PM	#15
tonyscarbones Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 265	if i find it i will personally PM everyone in this thread but the problem is i've looked everywhere with no luck not even #'s i need this so damn bad i might have to sell my mpc to get it

27th April 2008, 09:51 AM	#17
Rukas Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 200	Looking at the option I dont think we need the 399 pound version of it, the 199pound Vocalign Project (either Audiosuite for Pro Tools or not) will work, still, with the exchange rate being what it is thats a lot of money :( __________________ http://www.myspace.com/rukas http://www.streethop.com

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P3anut Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 48	i was wondering the same thing

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