I really hate to ask this but I must!

[Guy Gabriel]

808 kicks again... I've been getting ahead with this s*** and it's going pretty well. The thing is that what I'm really looking for is the 808 kick of Nitti in It's Goin' Down. I'm currently mixing a snap song with its goin down for refference and I managed to get my kick to sound really like nitti's soundwise except for 1 thing, the lows, nitti's kick is so booming down there and no matter what I do I can't get my kick to sound like this.
How can I keep the sound of my kick but just add a lil depth to it. I tried to EQ it and it doesn't work, it makes the kick too heavy and sound clippy on the sub, it doesn't get down there smoothly like I want, it really makes the whole stuff dirty.

I know you're probably thinking "why would you try to do someone else's style" but it's not even that, that nitti kick is just the best booming 808 kick I've ever heard and the other ones really don't give me that pleasure, it really amazed me, i gotta get to this sound man.

[h_town_vibez]

Waves RBass adds alot of low end.....I would also try layering it with a pitched down sub-bass. don't forget it was mixed and mastered in a studio.

good luck.

[ninjasoards]

R-bass - Big Bottom setting or MaxxBass - Ultralow Extender set to 4.00:1 ratio set on Maxxbass or just use a shelf eq from 80hz and lower and filter out the highs with MAYBE a bit of compression around 3:1.

[HoPMiX]

your CURRENTLY mixing a snap song.. poor soul

[ninjasoards]

Originally Posted by HoPMiX

your CURRENTLY mixing a snap song.. poor soul

[Guy Gabriel]

Originally Posted by HoPMiX

your CURRENTLY mixing a snap song.. poor soul

what's the problem? is it because i used the word currently? english is not my 1st language so tell me.

[GroovnD313]

I think he's trying to say that sound is dated

[Sirocco]

rbass is a great idea but try running ur main kick thru a preamp if you can find one -. several times..then...filter out the noise...then copy that kick, cut the lows out of the copy, and smash the hell out of it for the "attack" of it. then double that and run that "attack" part thru a bitcrusher and eq to taste - the bitcrusher gives it a pleasant plasticy top-end if you know how to do it right.

-sirocco

:)

[PRAJNAIMMOVABLE]

Originally Posted by Guy Gabriel

808 kicks again... I've been getting ahead with this s*** and it's going pretty well. The thing is that what I'm really looking for is the 808 kick of Nitti in It's Goin' Down. I'm currently mixing a snap song with its goin down for refference and I managed to get my kick to sound really like nitti's soundwise except for 1 thing, the lows, nitti's kick is so booming down there and no matter what I do I can't get my kick to sound like this.
How can I keep the sound of my kick but just add a lil depth to it. I tried to EQ it and it doesn't work, it makes the kick too heavy and sound clippy on the sub, it doesn't get down there smoothly like I want, it really makes the whole stuff dirty.

I know you're probably thinking "why would you try to do someone else's style" but it's not even that, that nitti kick is just the best booming 808 kick I've ever heard and the other ones really don't give me that pleasure, it really amazed me, i gotta get to this sound man.

WHAT EVERYONE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU WON'T OBTAIN THAT SOUND UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT INSTRUMENT WAS USED TO PRODUCE IT, HE MOST LIKELY USED A ROLAND PRODUCT WITH 808 PATCH AND ALTERED THE PITCH,DECAY,ATTACK TO OBTAIN THAT LOW END SOUND. WAVES OR STUDIO EQ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RAW SOURCE OF SOUND. IT IS ALL PRODUCED BY THE INSTRUMENT ITS SELF. YOU WILL NEVER COME CLOSE TO THE ORIGIN OF THAT SOUND WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT CAME FROM !

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by PRAJNAIMMOVABLE

WHAT EVERYONE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU WON'T OBTAIN THAT SOUND UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT INSTRUMENT WAS USED TO PRODUCE IT, HE MOST LIKELY USED A ROLAND PRODUCT WITH 808 PATCH AND ALTERED THE PITCH,DECAY,ATTACK TO OBTAIN THAT LOW END SOUND. WAVES OR STUDIO EQ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RAW SOURCE OF SOUND. IT IS ALL PRODUCED BY THE INSTRUMENT ITS SELF. YOU WILL NEVER COME CLOSE TO THE ORIGIN OF THAT SOUND WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT CAME FROM !

not true at all

[IM WHO YOU THINK]

Originally Posted by Sirocco

rbass is a great idea but try running ur main kick thru a preamp if you can find one -. several times..then...filter out the noise...then copy that kick, cut the lows out of the copy, and smash the hell out of it for the "attack" of it. then double that and run that "attack" part thru a bitcrusher and eq to taste - the bitcrusher gives it a pleasant plasticy top-end if you know how to do it right.

-sirocco

:)

You go through all of that for a kick sample? Why not just use another kick?

[Sirocco]

because not all kick samples are created equal

[lpuma]

Originally Posted by IM WHO YOU THINK

You go through all of that for a kick sample? Why not just use another kick?

You kidding right? no really that's a joke? (honestly).

if not jus chek sirocco's signature link, he's a drum sounds designer, and a good one IMO.

[IM WHO YOU THINK]

Originally Posted by lpuma

You kidding right? no really that's a joke? (honestly).

if not jus chek sirocco's signature link, he's a drum sounds designer, and a good one IMO.

Actually I wasnt kidding.

[DanDolo]

I might be weird but I think it fun to go crazy and process sounds like this and come with something bigger and better

[lpuma]

sure! my sound designer skills are pretty limited but sometimes I try and I love new sounds, most of the hip hop drum sounds are highly processed. Somebody have to do that job for a beatmaker.

[DanDolo]

Originally Posted by PRAJNAIMMOVABLE

WHAT EVERYONE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU WON'T OBTAIN THAT SOUND UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT INSTRUMENT WAS USED TO PRODUCE IT, HE MOST LIKELY USED A ROLAND PRODUCT WITH 808 PATCH AND ALTERED THE PITCH,DECAY,ATTACK TO OBTAIN THAT LOW END SOUND. WAVES OR STUDIO EQ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RAW SOURCE OF SOUND. IT IS ALL PRODUCED BY THE INSTRUMENT ITS SELF. YOU WILL NEVER COME CLOSE TO THE ORIGIN OF THAT SOUND WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT CAME FROM !

WHY ARE YOU YELLING???

dude you are wrong, you can come extremely close if you know what you are doing

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by DanDolo

WHY ARE YOU YELLING???

dude you are wrong, you can come extremely close if you know what you are doing

post your kik so far and i bet i can volume ride and eq it to 'pretty damn close'

[danasti]

Take any decent analog or virtual/digital analog synth and a sine wave or filter out a bass "preset" - attack - decay - sustain - release - cutoff and resonance til it's boomin' and punchy. If you want, compress those together til it's tight.

That should be more than enough. If it's not, keep practicing, find better/other/more 808 samples and synth bass tones.

[IM WHO YOU THINK]

Originally Posted by Sirocco

because not all kick samples are created equal

Exactly, that's why I'd go use a better one.


I am curious what program do you guys do your sound design in? I used to do mine in the MPC for years with layers. Or if I was multing something for a mix, I'd print the snr/kick samples so I could use them in other songs. Now I've started doing my editing/design work in ptools. What I do is I dig through my folders and drag a bunch of cool samples into the region bin. Then when I'm bored, I'll pull one kick to an audio track and start working on it. If I decide to blend with another kick, I just drag it to another track and tweak. I have a template where the tracks are already set up to be bussed for recording them to disk where I can export the blend into a file and drag it to my 4k


How are you all gettin it done?

[smoke]

Originally Posted by IM WHO YOU THINK

How are you all gettin it done?

I use a simple sampler like LM4MKII which lets me trigger one pad with another. So I can have 4 pads with separate BD samples, each with their own ADR envelopes, vel sens, and pitch. The 1st sample controls the other 3, so I don't usually create another DAW channel for each layer. The 4 samples are combined into one midi part. If I need to process EQ separately, I can route the pads to their own mono out.

It's nice because I don't have to load a special "drums" project in Cubase, I just load the CPU easy LM4MKII kit into the desired project, and change the samples in the pads (or readjust them.) It also buys me some vertical screen real estate with less channels on screen, and it's only one midi drum part that plays all the layers. When I move things around, I only move one part. There is also no commitment to ever bounce the midi part to audio, which keeps overall BD dynamics fully adjustable (random midi velocities) I find it convenient, and organized way of working.

[codeman]

Use a good sample to start (try tape808samplepack) and use a limiter over it to give it a big sound (try waves L2)... thats what I do....

[Sirocco]

to me, L2 gives off anything but a big sound

[Spookym15]

hook an oscillator up to a gate and key input the kick to get the sine wave low 40-60hz sound.