Snap music kick?

[Guy Gabriel]

Can someone please upload a nice clean sample of that deep bassdrum like in the song "It's Goin' Down" by Yung Joc or any of those snap songs.
I've got the original 808 kick but I just cant get the same feel no matter what I do with it.

Thanks.

[themaestro]

dam...

[mix-it-well]

Learn how to use your 808 would help.

[Keyflo]

Originally Posted by mix-it-well

Learn how to use your 808 would help.

I agree you can find these find these all over the net

[cynic]

Originally Posted by themaestro

dam...

hahah

[Sirocco]

thats the thick molten sound of outboard my friend. heavyheavy delicious stuff. overdriven right to the pre-breaking point

no better sound in the world

[Guy Gabriel]

what do u mean by outboard? and WHERE CAN I GET A DECENT 808 BD THAT WILL SOUND REALLY LIKE SOME OF THE SNAP SHIT GOING ON OUT THERE?

[cynic]

Originally Posted by Guy Gabriel

what do u mean by outboard? and WHERE CAN I GET A DECENT 808 BD THAT WILL SOUND REALLY LIKE SOME OF THE SNAP SHIT GOING ON OUT THERE?

Since everyone's givin you a hard time including me I guess I'll be the one to try and break it down for ya...

FIRST...You gotta understand layering. My best "808" sounding drums have come from a higher octave pitched kick layered with the original deep kick. Search the forums for more info...

SECOND...You gotta understand that people usually tune their 808 samples to the key of the song. This makes the entire thing bang better. Search the forums here for more info...

THIRD...You gotta understand that the sound you hear on the finished record is MIXED AND MASTERED.

They probably are starting out with the same old 808 samples that you, me, and everyone else has. They've just been mixed and mastered in a proper way that makes em bang.

LAST...If you just have really shitty 808 samples to begin with, check out that GoldBaby tape808 pack he's advertising around here. They are pretty decent. Although I'm still rollin with my DANCE MEGA DRUMS sample cd.

The 808 I've made that bangs the MOST was actually a patch from FL Studio's "DrumSynth Live", layered with a punchy 909 kick I had sitting around. Check my myspace for the track "hella tight".

[EDIT]

ONE MORE THING...Hella people starting out don't do this, but its such a ****ing simple thing...Make sure for the really long, booming 808s that you set them to cut each other. Usually this is called "cut" or "mute group" depending on what sampler you're using.

Basically how that works is if 1 of your 808's is sounding, and the other hit comes on, it'll cut off the 1st - making sure it bangs and doesn't muddy up the sonic space.

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by cynic

Since everyone's givin you a hard time including me I guess I'll be the one to try and break it down for ya...

FIRST...You gotta understand layering. My best "808" sounding drums have come from a higher octave pitched kick layered with the original deep kick. Search the forums for more info...

SECOND...You gotta understand that people usually tune their 808 samples to the key of the song. This makes the entire thing bang better. Search the forums here for more info...

THIRD...You gotta understand that the sound you hear on the finished record is MIXED AND MASTERED.

They probably are starting out with the same old 808 samples that you, me, and everyone else has. They've just been mixed and mastered in a proper way that makes em bang.

LAST...If you just have really shitty 808 samples to begin with, check out that GoldBaby tape808 pack he's advertising around here. They are pretty decent. Although I'm still rollin with my DANCE MEGA DRUMS sample cd.

The 808 I've made that bangs the MOST was actually a patch from FL Studio's "DrumSynth Live", layered with a punchy 909 kick I had sitting around. Check my myspace for the track "hella tight".

[EDIT]

ONE MORE THING...Hella people starting out don't do this, but its such a ****ing simple thing...Make sure for the really long, booming 808s that you set them to cut each other. Usually this is called "cut" or "mute group" depending on what sampler you're using.

Basically how that works is if 1 of your 808's is sounding, and the other hit comes on, it'll cut off the 1st - making sure it bangs and doesn't muddy up the sonic space.

good stuff!

i feel no matter how much you layer you still wont get the nitti 808 he is referring to. that is tape / saturation. i agree about the high pitching the 808 with the original..its the easiest way to add depth/punch and still not cloud the spectrum

[cynic]

Originally Posted by Sirocco

good stuff!

i feel no matter how much you layer you still wont get the nitti 808 he is referring to. that is tape / saturation. i agree about the high pitching the 808 with the original..its the easiest way to add depth/punch and still not cloud the spectrum

Depends man...one jewel Ken Lewis dropped is this one:

Smash the **** out of your low-808 with a L1, then follow with a low-end pultec boost.

I run the high and low to different mixer channels, then bus them together. On the high, I'll place a 1176 and crush the **** out of it. Sometimes for the attack portion i'll even bitcrush/clip the snappy attack kick. As long as it's tuned properly it gives it a crazy boost.

Of course...I run my entire mixes through a FATSO as well, so that could have something to do with the sound I'm getting. :D

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by cynic

Depends man...one jewel Ken Lewis dropped is this one:

Smash the **** out of your low-808 with a L1, then follow with a low-end pultec boost.

I run the high and low to different mixer channels, then bus them together. On the high, I'll place a 1176 and crush the **** out of it. Sometimes for the attack portion i'll even bitcrush/clip the snappy attack kick. As long as it's tuned properly it gives it a crazy boost.

Of course...I run my entire mixes through a FATSO as well, so that could have something to do with the sound I'm getting. :D

its not even about the attack or anything

its mainly about the "solidness" and fundamental of the kick - and the fatso is something that can achieve those results i was talking about.

[Darm]

Originally Posted by Guy Gabriel

what do u mean by outboard? and WHERE CAN I GET A DECENT 808 BD THAT WILL SOUND REALLY LIKE SOME OF THE SNAP SHIT GOING ON OUT THERE?

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[EKG Productions]

Originally Posted by Sirocco

good stuff!

i feel no matter how much you layer you still wont get the nitti 808 he is referring to. that is tape / saturation. i agree about the high pitching the 808 with the original..its the easiest way to add depth/punch and still not cloud the spectrum

Nobody in Atlanta hip-hop/r&b is still using tape. Most studios down here don't even have consoles anymore. Most rooms down here got pthd and a control 24. Nitti's drums most likely bang like that because of the mix-engineer. Most of his stuff sounds like waves r-bass or maxx-bass to me.

[Methlab]

Originally Posted by EKG Productions

Nobody in Atlanta hip-hop/r&b is still using tape. Most studios down here don't even have consoles anymore. Most rooms down here got pthd and a control 24. Nitti's drums most likely bang like that because of the mix-engineer. Most of his stuff sounds like waves r-bass or maxx-bass to me.

Yeah, but some of the sample libraries they use were run through tape when they made them.

[EKG Productions]

Cool guess you have a point there. I still give most of the credit to the mix engineers. Guys like leslie braithwaite are the ones who really get those drums bangin. Very few producers who come through drums be on point off top. Some producers even ask for the mix engineer to print the mixed drums so they can chop the stems into samples again.

[8th]

I don't think anyone here understood what the OP wanted. That kick is like a bass drop sound more than a straight 808 hit. I got mine from a hyphy track a few years back sampled it from a ying yang song or one of those bay area hyphy songs. But I think that's what he was talking about.

[mistermarvel]

The stuff I heard just sounds like a mega 808 with long decay. Tuning is very important as mentioned before.

About producers relying on mixing engineers to get their sound - seems like more and more producers can't get the mixing job done themselves. The craft is being lost.

And sometimes it seems that clipping is even slipping by. Is it just me or does "Ayo Technology" produced by Timbaland have a clipping kick? I've listened so many times on various speakers including my monitor set at home, and it just clips. Is it just me????

[cynic]

Originally Posted by 8th

I don't think anyone here understood what the OP wanted. That kick is like a bass drop sound more than a straight 808 hit. I got mine from a hyphy track a few years back sampled it from a ying yang song or one of those bay area hyphy songs. But I think that's what he was talking about.

come on yall, that shit is HELLA easy to do. all you have to do is assign an envelope to the PITCH of your 808 sample.

[8th]

Originally Posted by cynic

come on yall, that shit is HELLA easy to do. all you have to do is assign an envelope to the PITCH of your 808 sample.

I don't think you understand what we're talking about, or what you're talking about.

[mistermarvel]

Well if the OP is after a kick that gradually goes down in pitch during the decay, then cynic is right. If that's what he means by 'bass drop' then there you go.

But I still think it's a tuned mega 808.

[cynic]

Originally Posted by mistermarvel

Well if the OP is after a kick that gradually goes down in pitch during the decay, then cynic is right. If that's what he means by 'bass drop' then there you go.

yup, i was talking about "bass drop". and that's exactly how you'd get the sound......like on the "whisper song".

[Keyflo]

this is usually how i get my 808 bd snappy and full...

I usually move the pitch up an octave like everyone said, but cut the tail because i want the beginning snappy part, then i layer it with the same bd and i get a nice one.....

I cut the tail on the pitched bd just to avoid clutter

[themaestro]

Originally Posted by Methlab

Yeah, but some of the sample libraries they use were run through tape when they made them.

i think SOME is the truest word in this post. a lot of the sounds are stock and mixed in the box! almost all of soulja boys drums came from stock fruity loops and were mixed totally in the box

[themaestro]

Originally Posted by cynic

yup, i was talking about "bass drop". and that's exactly how you'd get the sound......like on the "whisper song".

well if you really want the bass drop from the whisper song, then find an original motif, or a motif es. the exact bass drop sound that dj smurf used for that track is a stock patch in there. the same kit also has the same kick smash that he used for david banner's 'cum/run' song...i was in the session with banner and smurf at patchwerk when he played the tracks right off the sequencer in the motif, real talk!

[Guy Gabriel]

Originally Posted by cynic

ONE MORE THING...Hella people starting out don't do this, but its such a ****ing simple thing...Make sure for the really long, booming 808s that you set them to cut each other. Usually this is called "cut" or "mute group" depending on what sampler you're using.

Basically how that works is if 1 of your 808's is sounding, and the other hit comes on, it'll cut off the 1st - making sure it bangs and doesn't muddy up the sonic space.

I've got that problem and I'm using Battery 2 and I can't find that function there. Someone has an idea?

[EKG Productions]

Originally Posted by themaestro

well if you really want the bass drop from the whisper song, then find an original motif, or a motif es. the exact bass drop sound that dj smurf used for that track is a stock patch in there. the same kit also has the same kick smash that he used for david banner's 'cum/run' song...i was in the session with banner and smurf at patchwerk when he played the tracks right off the sequencer in the motif, real talk!

Maestro you tha man. Some peeps on this site be actin like it is some kind of secret drum kit and shi*. Most and I mean most big name producers I've come in contact with be rollin with the same sounds we all can get our hands on. The thing that makes them great is the arrangement of those sounds. Behind most great producers is a great engineer to help craft the desired sound. Worry less about what kick, patch, ect. and more about makin dope beats that is the single biggest seceret to makin you productions jump off. If you got HOT! flamin joints unless you are just sittin on them someone will find out.

[EKG Productions]

Originally Posted by Guy Gabriel

I've got that problem and I'm using Battery 2 and I can't find that function there. Someone has an idea?

Set the kick to vocal group one and that should make it cut. I'm not in front of battery right now so I could be wrong.

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by Sirocco

good stuff!

i feel no matter how much you layer you still wont get the nitti 808 he is referring to. that is tape / saturation. i agree about the high pitching the 808 with the original..its the easiest way to add depth/punch and still not cloud the spectrum

I'm just curious----you KNOW this is tape saturation, or your instincts are telling you it is???.... did you read a nitti interview where he states he had the record mixed outboard/analog/tape????

[cynic]

Originally Posted by themaestro

well if you really want the bass drop from the whisper song, then find an original motif, or a motif es. the exact bass drop sound that dj smurf used for that track is a stock patch in there. the same kit also has the same kick smash that he used for david banner's 'cum/run' song...i was in the session with banner and smurf at patchwerk when he played the tracks right off the sequencer in the motif, real talk!

hah....word. nice to know - but you know, now you're gonna get like 1000 private messages asking "what preset did [that one producer] use on [that hit song]?"

you get what i'm sayin though.....i just get sick of people asking these weak questions, with a little thought and some experimentation you could get a similar effect - and it wouldn't be a carbon copy. it'd be their own shit.

i'm all for tweaking sounds so my shit sounds different.