Snap music kick?

[Methlab]

Originally Posted by themaestro

i think SOME is the truest word in this post. a lot of the sounds are stock and mixed in the box! almost all of soulja boys drums came from stock fruity loops and were mixed totally in the box

This is true..it just matters the mixer. You are in ATL and I'm sure know the tape 808 samples that were being used on mixes too...stuff like older jeezy..etc.

[smoke]

Originally Posted by 8th

I don't think you understand what we're talking about, or what you're talking about.

Huh? He's talking about an amplitude or tone envelope. ADSR. That is the easiest way to control the tail of your bass drum. You can also enhance the attack this way.

I'm surprised that more people don't mention this essential trick/ well it's not even a trick. It's basic.

[8th]

Originally Posted by smoke

Huh? He's talking about an amplitude or tone envelope. ADSR. That is the easiest way to control the tail of your bass drum. You can also enhance the attack this way.

I'm surprised that more people don't mention this essential trick/ well it's not even a trick. It's basic.

someone shouldn't bother mentioning the need for a pitch envelope with no mention of modulation or ADSR, as you did. What's the point of condescendingly saying "assign an envelope to pitch"?

[cynic]

Originally Posted by 8th

someone shouldn't bother mentioning the need for a pitch envelope with no mention of modulation or ADSR, as you did. What's the point of condescendingly saying "assign an envelope to pitch"?

seriously homey, get off my nuts. if you read it that way - that was your issue.

where i'm at saying "assign an envelope to pitch" implies using ADSR to modulate pitch. excuse me if i didn't get all geeky with it and spell everything out exactly as you wanted it.

[8th]

Originally Posted by cynic

seriously homey, i have no nuts. if you read it that way - that was your issue.

where i'm at saying "assign an envelope to pitch" implies using ADSR to modulate pitch. excuse me if i didn't get all geeky with it and spell everything out exactly as you wanted it.

if the OP had no idea how to make that sound, he'd obviously need to have it spelled out. Like I said why bother saying shit just to act like you know it all instead of being helpful?

[smoke]

I haven't been here too long, but I think there is an assumed level of basic knowledge at this forum. There are some accomplished people here. These people shouldn't have to spend their precious time explaining the core basics. If someone doesn't understand what an envelope is, they should get a few books and learn that before coming here, so people don't have to start from 101 just to respond to a post.

[CJ1973]

What pre would you recommend if I had pretty decent 808 Samples on an AKAI Z8? I know I wont get a Dre class sound but I want to get the best that I can get. I currently own a Focusrite ISA430 and a Demeter VTMP2A preamp. Just curious.....

[cynic]

Originally Posted by 8th

if the OP had no idea how to make that sound, he'd obviously need to have it spelled out. Like I said why bother saying shit just to act like you know it all instead of being helpful?

I replied TO be helpful. And who's acting like they know it all? Keep your low self esteem issues to yourself. I dunno what your problem is with me, but point blank - you got head problems. See a doctor.

Cute little edit of my text too. That's a female maneuver right there. I'm sure you have some other smart-ass off the wall comment to make, but I'll be ignoring that shit. So have fun, try and yap your little last word in. Nobody is paying attention.

[CJ1973]

HEy Cynic
Could you please give me some genuine advise re my thread.. i may have hijacked the topic a bit so sorry but would like your input on my qn regarding the AKAI Z8 and what you recommend.....

Thanks

Originally Posted by cynic

I replied TO be helpful. And who's acting like they know it all? Keep your low self esteem issues to yourself. I dunno what your problem is with me, but point blank - you got head problems. See a doctor.

Cute little edit of my text too. That's a female maneuver right there. I'm sure you have some other smart-ass off the wall comment to make, but I'll be ignoring that shit. So have fun, try and yap your little last word in. Nobody is paying attention.

[cynic]

Originally Posted by CJ1973

HEy Cynic
Could you please give me some genuine advise re my thread.. i may have hijacked the topic a bit so sorry but would like your input on my qn regarding the AKAI Z8 and what you recommend.....

Thanks

Not sure if I can answer this one properly. I don't know claim to know everything, despite what some people think. :)

Don't own a z8, but run a search for "drums" and "preamp" on this site and I'm sure you'll come up with a bunch of usual suspects. The most likely recommended in this forum (that I don't own) which I'd look into are the API a2d, or the Aurora gtq mk2 or mk3 (both of which I'm looking at picking up eventually).

I only own a Sebatron VMP2000e (tube) and a Langevin DVC (solid state), both of which I think are great on drums and vocals - depending on what flavor you're looking for.

[8th]

Originally Posted by cynic

I replied TO be helpful. And who's acting like they know it all? Keep your low self esteem issues to yourself. I dunno what your problem is with me, but point blank - you got head problems. See a doctor.

Cute little edit of my text too. That's a female maneuver right there. I'm sure you have some other smart-ass off the wall comment to make, but I'll be ignoring that shit. So have fun, try and yap your little last word in. Nobody is paying attention.

sounds like you're projecting all your personal issues on me, typical insecure internet tactic. Quit getting so worked up over having a minor thing pointed out.

[Joseph Reeves]

I have the original "It's Goin Down" without P Diddy, (before Joc was signed) and it doesn't sound too different from the released version. I don't think any "fancy" mixing techniques were involved, Nitti probably just has a good sound library.

[Joseph Reeves]

In this interview, he says he mixed It's Goin Down himself. Producers Corner: Nitti | Features > HipHopDX.com In his piece w/ Scratch Magazine I don't recall seeing any analog gear in his tool box. So it was probably all ITB.

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by Joseph Reeves

In this interview, he says he mixed It's Goin Down himself. Producers Corner: Nitti | Features > HipHopDX.com In his piece w/ Scratch Magazine I don't recall seeing any analog gear in his tool box. So it was probably all ITB.

thats what i was thinkin.... its crazy people think that if something sounds good, that they're must be some elaborate process or big secret behind it.....

[EKG Productions]

Cool I guess allmusic.com is wrong when they list Leslie Brathwaite, Tony Rey, Nico Solis and Ralph Caccuri as mixing for "New Joc City".

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by Joseph Reeves

In this interview, he says he mixed It's Goin Down himself. Producers Corner: Nitti | Features > HipHopDX.com In his piece w/ Scratch Magazine I don't recall seeing any analog gear in his tool box. So it was probably all ITB.

pre-mixed drums from older sessions

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by Sirocco

pre-mixed drums from older sessions

again, because you THINK, or because you KNOW?

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by filterayok

again, because you THINK, or because you KNOW?

there is no way on gods green earth that nitti mixed that whole record himself. that is all.

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by Sirocco

there is no way on gods green earth that nitti mixed that whole record himself. that is all.

i wouldnt necessarily say that, although you MIGHT be right..but thats not the question, i know your into your drum sounds and stuff, but to immediately assume that just because something sounds great and warm, that it MUST have gone thru outboard or analog is just plain wrong. Its crazy, cuz i know your a young cat, and yet you talk like one of these old school guys that invested SO much time in learning outboard and analog techniques, that your opposed to beleving the same sound can be achieved in the box. it can, its a FACT... i thaught we settled this when digidesign posted that example on their website of the rock song that seamlessly edited between analog and digital, while even the most experienced mixers couldnt tell the difference..

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by filterayok

i wouldnt necessarily say that, although you MIGHT be right..but thats not the question, i know your into your drum sounds and stuff, but to immediately assume that just because something sounds great and warm, that it MUST have gone thru outboard or analog is just plain wrong. Its crazy, cuz i know your a young cat, and yet you talk like one of these old school guys that invested SO much time in learning outboard and analog techniques, that your opposed to beleving the same sound can be achieved in the box. it can, its a FACT... i thaught we settled this when digidesign posted that example on their website of the rock song that seamlessly edited between analog and digital, while even the most experienced mixers couldnt tell the difference..

its not even that - its just the mix itself - its a seasoned professional at the helm and anyone should be able to notice that

[EKG Productions]

A good portion of both of Joc's albums were mixed be Leslie Brathwaite at patchwerk in ATL. If the track in question was mixed by Leslie it was on a SSL 9000J. Leslie dosen't mix in the box. This is direct information.

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by Sirocco

its not even that - its just the mix itself - its a seasoned professional at the helm and anyone should be able to notice that

i dont think anyones denying that. But your earlier comments were presenting very opinionated observations as FACTS, and i just think its important to state the difference, or some poor kid might think the only way to get a kik to slam is to spend his life savings on an 1176! THEN how would you feel??

[T. Gundersen]

Hey, nothings wrong with spending your life savings on a 1176..

[JDN]

Originally Posted by EKG Productions

Cool I guess allmusic.com is wrong when they list Leslie Brathwaite, Tony Rey, Nico Solis and Ralph Caccuri as mixing for "New Joc City".

allmusic lists all the engineers and mixers credited on the CD, they don't break it down on a song by song basis. 4 all the yappin on this thread, someone must own the CD. Check out the credits on the CD. mixing engineers are rarely left off the credits, if we are, it's a pretty big oversight. Now actual tracking engineers and assistants, that's a whole different story...dont make me list all the CD's I've worked on and not gotten credits on.

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by filterayok

i dont think anyones denying that. But your earlier comments were presenting very opinionated observations as FACTS, and i just think its important to state the difference, or some poor kid might think the only way to get a kik to slam is to spend his life savings on an 1176! THEN how would you feel??

ur right. its not the only way to get it to slam - but the way it slams in this song is not likely done itb

better?

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by Sirocco

ur right. its not the only way to get it to slam - but the way it slams in this song is not likely done itb

better?

i still disagree !! how would you ever be able to tell?? if it inspires you to use outboard, then by all means... but its just NOT the only way to get there

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by filterayok

i still disagree !! how would you ever be able to tell?? if it inspires you to use outboard, then by all means... but its just NOT the only way to get there

your thinking too hard. of course its not the only way to get there. but listening to this track i get certain sounds that are not able to be reproduced. other things can bang, im a HUGE software advocate. but there are exceptions...

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by Sirocco

but listening to this track i get certain sounds that are not able to be reproduced..

speak for yourself