Touring a rap group/artist Q - tour experts in here!

[masta1]

Well obviously this is just a question of interest. Does anyone have any info or can shed light on how much it costs to tour a rap group, what it takes, the steps etc. Tech n9ne as an example: what they charge to go somewhere to do a show, how much % of the door they take.

What about overseas, do they expect around 10k for flights there, hotel, expenses then take some off the door? (am i way off)

Anyone have any experience with touring any rap groups or has any experience in touring at all?

I figured there would be quite a bit in bringing an artist such as ICP or Tech N9ne to Australia. Both would sell out around 500-1000 tickets at $60 a ticket let's say 50k profit, - 15 for expenses/getting them there, 5more for venue/employees - 10more or so for them ontop/maybe an instore. There seems to be a lot of money in it!

[illynoise]

Are you trying to look at it as a promoter or an artist? Do you wanna bring someone out there?

[mix-it-well]

Originally Posted by masta1

Well obviously this is just a question of interest. Does anyone have any info or can shed light on how much it costs to tour a rap group, what it takes, the steps etc. Tech n9ne as an example: what they charge to go somewhere to do a show, how much % of the door they take.

What about overseas, do they expect around 10k for flights there, hotel, expenses then take some off the door? (am i way off)

Anyone have any experience with touring any rap groups or has any experience in touring at all?

I figured there would be quite a bit in bringing an artist such as ICP or Tech N9ne to Australia. Both would sell out around 500-1000 tickets at $60 a ticket let's say 50k profit, - 15 for expenses/getting them there, 5more for venue/employees - 10more or so for them ontop/maybe an instore. There seems to be a lot of money in it!

60$ for a ticket?
20 $ is ok ,maybe 25$.
But 60...are we talking about international known artists here?

[smy1]

Originally Posted by mix-it-well

60$ for a ticket?
20 $ is ok ,maybe 25$.
But 60...are we talking about international known artists here?

He is most likely talking about Australian $, which used to be a lot less than the US$. Now with the US$ equalling Russian or Mexican currency, it's actually almost 1:1. But still a concert in Australia may cost 60$, because that's what it always cost in the past ...

[mix-it-well]

That's still about 50 $.
36 €.
Well I don't know ,might be ok.
In germany it's always around 20 € (for national artists).
30-50 for the big dudes like 50.

[masta1]

Major acts vary - NAS is 112 minimum ticket this NOV. Acts such as necro/cage/etc. usually pull around 45 so i was guessing for a group well known for it's live performance and whatnot such as tech n9ne or ICP 50-60 would be good. So anyone shedding light here, it was a hypothetical price!:P

[HoPMiX]

I have a lil...
the questions are a little general.
As far as a booking fee.
It varies man from act to act. just find who is booking em and call and ask.
Its gonna vary on location, venue capacity, cover mainly.
there are other factors..
you sell alcohol
is the artist touring or is it just a spot date?
If you can line up a multi city thing your gonna get a better price per show.
and the venues can split the travel expenses.

good luck...

[HoPMiX]

Originally Posted by masta1

Major acts vary - NAS is 112 minimum ticket this NOV. P

Nas? I have 15-20 bux at the house of blues for nas..
112 lol... no wonder tours aren't making ish.

[feedback711]

Originally Posted by smy1

He is most likely talking about Australian $, which used to be a lot less than the US$. Now with the US$ equalling Russian or Mexican currency, it's actually almost 1:1. But still a concert in Australia may cost 60$, because that's what it always cost in the past ...

The us dollar will never sink as low as mexican peso. Thats a very uneducated statement

The us dollar will struggle for another two years untill our econimy finds a way to vanish debt and return stronger than ever.
Its a cycle the us goes though every 40 to 60 years. Look back at the depression. or the stock market crash in the 20's

I manage a cell phone buisness here in kansas city, believe me , we pay good people to read the market to avoid any bad buisness decisions

[piccazzo]

The us dollar will never sink as low as mexican peso. Thats a very uneducated statement

The us dollar will struggle for another two years untill our econimy finds a way to vanish debt and return stronger than ever.
Its a cycle the us goes though every 40 to 60 years. Look back at the depression. or the stock market crash in the 20's

I manage a cell phone buisness here in kansas city, believe me , we pay good people to read the market to avoid any bad buisness decisions

Another factor to count in is who you people ower there elect to be you next president.
The current one didn´t do much good for the american image or the economy.
Sooner or later you leaders will have to face the fact that U.S.A is Not the superpower it used to be , with most of Europe united , The middle east against you , Asai not that keen on beeing your friends either and Soon there will be no more oil.
Not to say that thing are better here but at-least people dont hate me wherever i go.
It took the germans close to 30 years to clean up their reputation but they are still associated with Nazis and all people remember is bad things , So your curse is thath Gearge W Bush and the current administation will be remeberd for War , Greed , Incompetence as far as the rest of the world is concerned.
But this is Gearslutz not a Political forum so i´ll leave it at that..

To the actual question in hand ,
depends on the acts as said and the city , but i know what Busta took for his european tour per show and youll need at least around 3000 - 6000 people to pay if your gonna charge 25usd for a ticket. But around i would guess that getting tech N9ne to australia for one show would sum up to including transfer , hotel , etc etc
45 000 usd/35 000 euro.Just a educated guess , might be chaeper might be more expensive.

[HoPMiX]

Originally Posted by piccazzo

Another factor to count in is who you people ower there elect to be you next president.
The current one didn´t do much good for the american image or the economy.
Sooner or later you leaders will have to face the fact that U.S.A is Not the superpower it used to be , with most of Europe united , The middle east against you , Asai not that keen on beeing your friends either and Soon there will be no more oil.
Not to say that thing are better here but at-least people dont hate me wherever i go.
It took the germans close to 30 years to clean up their reputation but they are still associated with Nazis and all people remember is bad things , So your curse is thath Gearge W Bush and the current administation will be remeberd for War , Greed , Incompetence as far as the rest of the world is concerned.
But this is Gearslutz not a Political forum so i´ll leave it at that..

did you just compare america to a country and administration that was responsible for the death of 6 million jews..
im kinda of offended.. my moms lost her dad in that war..
I have an hunch that there are a lot of countries opposing americas involvement in iraq, yet dumping a shit ton of money into it in order to keep oil prices high. its all profit driven, and everyone has a hand in that including countries you mentioned.
americans realize there is a problem.. we just haven't gotten completely pissed off yet. running out of oil is not a problem for americans. Oil companies would love for you to think that.. we just havent been forced to switch to bio and solar yet. Running out of water is more of a concern to me. see we cant live without that. I dont own a car now and get by just fine. So im not a part of the problem. I voted against bush and sold my car. SO f&*& ya if you hate me.
but your right not a politcal forum....

[Tibbon]

You do realize that this is a website generally for audio engineers, not tour managers/promoters?

It all depends on where you are going, your expenses, etc..

[cynic]

Originally Posted by HoPMiX

did you just compare america to a country and administration that was responsible for the death of 6 million jews...

why are you even taking dude serious? he can't even spell...

ps: gwb/cheney are way more gangsta than any rapper could dream of being...discuss.

[masta1]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

You do realize that this is a website generally for audio engineers, not tour managers/promoters?

It all depends on where you are going, your expenses, etc..

We're all rap music lovers. Plus this forum isn't generally ignorant kids looking to battle or bootleg a cd. Is a thread bothering you that much?

Anyway let me narrow it down. From Kansas City to a nightclub (max capac 1000) in Adelaide SA. Could probably sell out.

[illynoise]

I think they charge about 15-20k just to go to Denver. That's only 7 hours away.

I can probably find out what the specs are, I know a few people who tour with them.

[mix-it-well]

Yup 15k sounds actually pretty good ,Big Kuntry King (Grand Hustle) charges 10k and nobody really knows him.
Damn I shouldn't have stopped rapping back in the days.

Originally Posted by illynoise

I think they charge about 15-20k just to go to Denver. That's only 7 hours away.

I can probably find out what the specs are, I know a few people who tour with them.

Hey I just listened to your beats.
Pretty cool ,I like the arp1 joint a lot.
Throw some harder drums on it and you got a potential hit.

[A-List]

for basic touring groups
you usually start with a guarantee. generally that will be a flat rate.
then they usually want a door%(backend deal)
then comes the rider. the rider has all the specific demands of the artist. e.g hotel rooms, meals, liquor,etc.
add the guarantee,backend,and rider costs to get the real total.
the promo/events game is very risky but can be very lucrative.

[HoPMiX]

Originally Posted by cynic

ps: gwb/cheney are way more gangsta than any rapper could dream of being...discuss.

dudes are above gangsta.. they are on some debo sh%$.
I will come and break your sh%$... and then you are gonna pay my ass to fix it.
And now with the rise of blackwater...
its even worse..

[piccazzo]

why are you even taking dude serious? he can't even spell...

As opposed to your grammar that´s obviously flawless.
As english is not my native language i think i still managed to make my point.

did you just compare america to a country and administration that was responsible for the death of 6 million jews..
im kinda of offended..

Casualties in wars that U.S.A has been involved in is for Vietnam around 5.1 million , Gulf war about 150 - 200 000 , Iraq war about 80 000 , Korean war about 1 million , Salvadorian Civil War about 75 000 , Invasion of Panama about 3 000 , Afghanistan about 10 000 so the numbers add up to pretty much the same.

[HoPMiX]

Originally Posted by piccazzo

Casualties in wars that U.S.A has been involved in is for Vietnam around 5.1 million , Gulf war about 150 - 200 000 , Iraq war about 80 000 , Korean war about 1 million , Salvadorian Civil War about 75 000 , Invasion of Panama about 3 000 , Afghanistan about 10 000 so the numbers add up to pretty much the same.

The Holocaust was not a war brother. It was the systematic annihilation of a race of people which led to a war. If i recall from history class... your country was a help to germanys war effort. Iron and rail systems...
your post about americans being hated came outta left field though.
I wouldn't have even responded otherwise. Just sounds like you need to get some american animosity off your chest.
we as people are aware of the problems and a 65% disapproval rating should reflect that. It takes time to fix things. But the effort is there.
Im sure you wont be interested in taking this convo somewhere else so ill respect the gearslutz forum for its intended use and end my involvement . but feel free to PM if you have more to add...

[piccazzo]

The Holocaust was not a war brother. It was the systematic annihilation of a race of people which led to a war.

True , there´s been a lot of crazy people in history responsible for terrible things
Hitler , Amin , Hussein , Pol Pot etc.And even though the holocaust was a clear attempt to wipe out a race of people those 6 million acounted for in US kills are mostly civilians too so it´s a thin moral line on what is justified and what is madness.

Kill 1 and your a murderer.
Kill 100 and your a serialkiller.
Kill 100 000 000 and your a Martyr.

And yes sweden did let the germans pass thru resulting in that over 200 000 finnish people died and that´s were im from.

Let´s just hope that those 65 % are the ones that count and that your next president start´s some serious damagecontrol actions and public & diplomatic relations.

[smy1]

Originally Posted by feedback711

The us dollar will never sink as low as mexican peso. Thats a very uneducated statement

No, it's just a little joke on the current "close-ness" of AU$ and US$ ... jeez ...

[smy1]

Originally Posted by A-List

for basic touring groups
you usually start with a guarantee. generally that will be a flat rate.
then they usually want a door%(backend deal)
then comes the rider. the rider has all the specific demands of the artist. e.g hotel rooms, meals, liquor,etc.
add the guarantee,backend,and rider costs to get the real total.
the promo/events game is very risky but can be very lucrative.

For more info on that check out:

The Smoking Gun: Backstage Pass

It's educating and funny at the same time ...

[smy1]

Originally Posted by piccazzo

Kill 1 and your a murderer.
Kill 100 and your a serialkiller.
Kill 100 000 000 and your a Martyr.

I only knew:

Kill 1 and you're a murderer,
kill many and you're a conqueror,
kill them all and you're a god


But I like your version, too ... :)

[illynoise]

Originally Posted by smy1

I only knew:

Kill 1 and you're a murderer,
kill many and you're a conqueror,
kill them all and you're a god


But I like your version, too ... :)

How did this thread turn into this?

[Umlaaat]

^ lol...

[Zacchino]

Donno about the touring management stuff but I can ensure you the Senheiser SKM with the ME-505 capsule, or the known SM58 are the way to go for live cordless mic systems, great for rap when eq-ed a bit behind the scene.

About political debate, this one was actually interresting. Too bad it's happening in the wrong place.