Dr Dre Produced "Fire" ONLY Sounds Good On Expensive Monitors

[loncali]

Tried listening to "Fire" from Curtis in the car, on the iPod, computer speakers, even $600 Sony hi-fi - all sound like shit. Only sounds good on the Digi RM2s at the studio.

Really strange for a Dr Dre mixed track, as Dre's stuff usually sounds good on anything.

[Ash Holmz]

that track is terrible .. how could u even have the desire to play it on diffrent systems? easily the worst song on a not so good album

[deuc647]

That whole album was squashed, maybe im the only one and will probably get flamed for this, but i dont think dr dre is that good of an engineer, as a producer, i think he is the greatest of our time, but as an engineer, i think he is ok.

[Heezzi]

That squashed sound would be the result of the pressure on the mastering engineer for getting louder sounding masters. That T.I. album suffered from the same problem. I hated a bunch of mixes on that one becaust of the over compression.


Overcompression = ear fatigue = less listens.

[DAH]

50`s shit sounds overcompressed since "Get Rich..."

[Jon"The Don"Gass]

Hey, from what I hear Dre hires a mixer and then just takes the mix credit. Kinda like a lot of R&B albums in the late 80's.

[Rapslow]

dre's old stuff are great mixes imo (still dre, watcher, etc)
but he dont sound like that anymore
it doesnt sound 'BIG' like before
maybe he doesnt record to tape anymore?

[DivineMusic]

sounds decent in my truck...then again i have focal utopia's in my truck which are better than most studio monitors under $2000

[PhonoquO]

did big bass brian gardner master that track?

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by Jon"The Don"Gass

Hey, from what I hear Dre hires a mixer and then just takes the mix credit. Kinda like a lot of R&B albums in the late 80's.

Hi Jon,

Welcome to Gearslutz.

[feedback711]

Just because the Major Prod makes the beat doesnt mean he is the one to sit down for 32 hours on the vox.
Logicaly thinking about it , it would of been impossible for some one like Timberland to produce Nelly furtado. Justin , That new contemporary group he has as well as countless tracks for those artist that can afford him, all by himself. Spending tons and tons of man hours to go from the first take to automation. ITS NOT HAPPINING. So for everyone who hears the new 50 track and says " What was Dre thinking when he compressed those vox." HE DIDNT COMPRESS THE VOCALS .

My grandma did. They are over compressed cause she is hard of hearing

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by feedback711

Just because the Major Prod makes the beat doesnt mean he is the one to sit down for 32 hours on the vox.
Logicaly thinking about it , it would of been impossible for some one like Timberland to produce Nelly furtado. Justin , That new contemporary group he has as well as countless tracks for those artist that can afford him, all by himself.

You would be surprised...

[feedback711]

But with out the help of engineers it would of all happened alot slower than it did with those people

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by feedback711

But with out the help of engineers it would of all happened alot slower than it did with those people

But, Tim doesn't claim to be an engineer... everyone know Jimmy is the man.

[Mudnoc]

Originally Posted by Jon"The Don"Gass

Hey, from what I hear Dre hires a mixer and then just takes the mix credit. Kinda like a lot of R&B albums in the late 80's.

Hey Jon, that's one hell of a resume you have... Glad to have you here... thumbsup

[feedback711]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

But, Tim doesn't claim to be an engineer... everyone know Jimmy is the man.

bad example.


JIMMY IS



I woulda put more but it wont let me

[feedback711]

Originally Posted by Mudnoc

Hey Jon, that's one hell of a resume you have... Glad to have you here... thumbsup

Yeah it is. And the fact that he is a good mixer in two completely different genres is sweet.
I was told country is the hardest music to mix because of all of the different instruments and automation. KUDO'Sthumbsup

[deuc647]

dre didnt mix anything from chronic 2001, and is it me, or do his tracks all sound mono? i love em, but they sound mono to me, i hear the depth but not the panning going on.

[DAH]

Originally Posted by deuc647

dre didnt mix anything from chronic 2001, and is it me, or do his tracks all sound mono? i love em, but they sound mono to me, i hear the depth but not the panning going on.

a kid with earbuds can make a panning riot, but to put things into the depth of the stage - that`s what counts.
FU** panning, stage depth - THAT`s the only thing that counts!!

[Alex Niedt]

Nah, I agree. His stuff tends to be a bit too mono for my tastes. At least a tad more stereo image for me, please.

[mike dean]

whats up@!!!!!! long time. how are you?? welcome. mike dean

[walth]

timbo also has a stable of producers. danja, king, and nissan stewart produce tracks for him. you can't do it alone....but then there are those very few who can.

[mike dean]

they should or you ain't no producer to me. u a beatmaker.

[feedback711]

Originally Posted by walth

timbo also has a stable of producers. danja, king, and nissan stewart produce tracks for him. you can't do it alone....but then there are those very few who can.

thank you

funnything is is that people think cause we are not famous that we dont know what we are talking about....like we dont have records on our wall .

[feedback711]

Originally Posted by mike dean

they should or you ain't no producer to me. u a beatmaker.

But i only have to worry about me and a friend or two. Timbo has tons of shit going on at once.
Tons of artist.


But i think i finally hit the semi pro stage for dynamically mixing and making beats.....dont believe me see beat 1 for your self
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[frankie c]

Hi Peeps,..hate to Jump in...Im a "soulful house" producer , and a DJ of EVERYTHING , since 87...(Started as a Hip hop Dj)...

((I think i'm a little objective when it comes to this))...
(i'm looking outside the box, but still have to play the new crap)

The SONICS of the Hip Hop stuff in the 90's is WAY better than MOST of the stuff thats out now..
(4 a variety of reasons)...

Yes the 2 inch big board thing Helped...

Today....

WHY DON'T Hip Hop Mixers want a KILLER kick and snare???
I don't understand....


someone from the Hip Hop Community EXPLAIN LAFFY TAFFY to me.!!..

(WTF was that all about???)

I think that Hip Hop "producers" should leave the mixing to the mixers who KNOW how to use a compressor...NUFF said..(which i think was done in the 80's or 90s)

these producers know the sound they like but not how to get it...
Drinking Champagne in a SSL Room does NOT necessarily get you that "sound"....

ps..
I think the whole over limiting mastering thing is a result of trying to PUSH bad overall mixes to sound punchier to match the level of BETTER mixes..

just my 2 pence!!...not looking 2 be negative!!
Just wishing u fellas take TIME to get the MIX bangin!!!

There are alot of Knowledgeable peeps who can HELP u get there...

[deuc647]

co sign!

[daillman]

for one dre dont realy mix if the mixes sound good it this cat nmed steve b that does those if it sound like crap dre probaly did that one...dont get me wrong he (dre) is on my list of alltime greatest producers just like steve b is on my list of all tie greatest engineers the eminem show,get rich or die trying,the documentary need i say more the man is fire....if themix is bad he is on vacation.....

[recall]

I just love these threads that completely rip the most succesful producer in hip hop history to pieces.

most of Dre's stuff is mixed with Veto Irragori. I think they get a dope sound.

Also Dre knows what he is doing with his SSL. He may not set up the whole mix, but man if he doesn't like something about it, it won't get out the door.