Pro Tools vs. Nuendo!!!

dmarz45 · 28th October 2007, 07:51 PM

Ive been using nuendo for almost a year now and I was just thinking if maybe i wanted to give pro tools a try.... theres a couple reason im thinking this....

first how many big name producers do u hear that use nuendo? I think that I couldnt name one that uses it?

second, i heard that nuendo doesnt have the amount of headroom that pro tools has...

what do u guys think about this?

macleodgrant · 28th October 2007, 08:07 PM

changing a daw is a big thing and i really don't think that the benefit would be huge unless you are going for a specific feature or workflow you know digi can provide. also if you do collaboration with other artists then it could be necessary for that but if you don't need all that then rather stick with what you've got. were you thinking LE or HD

it's not going to help you make better music and nuendo is a rick solid program, i played around with it before.

indie · 28th October 2007, 08:12 PM

ummm...Nuendo doesn't have the headroom of PT?? Not true, actually, I believe it's opposite. I'm trying out a Nuendo 4 system at the moment -- the only DAW I've owned or used is PT. So far, I can actually do a rock mix ITB that sounds good to me (with outboard inserts and Smart C1 on the Buss.) IME, not so in PT, the buss folds quicker.

my 2 cents

assemblyworker · 28th October 2007, 08:15 PM

More headroom than 0dbfs? Mental...

Sorry for being pedantic.

The Pro-Tools channel has +12dB on the mixer channels, I have no idea about Nuendo. TBH I rarely need that much extra above 0 so long as things have been recorded properly.

herbalphunk · 28th October 2007, 08:22 PM

DJ Muggs is a Nuendo head. He's produced a few records.

Who uses the software doesn't matter though. Use what makes sense and works well in your studio. I'd only look to switch if another program has something to offer that you need, and your current rig doesn't offer.

8BallProductions · 28th October 2007, 08:50 PM

This is slightly of topic ... but i use PT HD and find myself using Logic more and More these days because of its flexability .... i imagine nuendo is much the same .. i have heard some amazing mixes done on Nuendo .... speak to romesh at longwave studios (cardiff) he's a nuendo user and he gets great results ...

=]

Trey LeParc · 28th October 2007, 08:57 PM

plain n simple, nuendo is pro tools with out the hard ware... i just switch to mac n all that a few months ago and u cant glide thru projects like nuendo..... but pro tools has a more analog warmth to it..just my opinion

psycho_monkey · 28th October 2007, 10:22 PM

if you're happy using nuendo, why bother changing - just 'cos I.Am.Greatness or whoever uses it?

If you find yourself going between studios that only use PT, need to learn it 'cos you've got ambitions of engineering professionally for others, or have some other reason, then it's worthwhile. Otherwise it's just a tool, and you'll do best on the one you know best.

PettyCash · 28th October 2007, 11:34 PM

You still havent given a real reason as to why you would want to switch over and have to learn a new DAW program all over again....

IMO though, if you want to switch to using PT, it would only make sense if you were switching to an HD system. LE software is limited in track count (if thats important to you), plugins are still native not TDM, and the LE hardware without any modifications isnt cutting it sound quality wise, neither is any of the m-audio hardware for use with M-Powered.

If you are looking for better sound quality out of your mixes, the first thing you need to think about changing or upgrading is your ROOM, CONVERTERS, MONITORS, AUDIO CARD, SKILLS, and if any of that doesnt help then your EARS..lol

I know us gearslutz always get caught up on wanting something new, but in this particular case getting PT LE would be a waste of your money if you are looking to create some better sounding mixes, IMHO.

Trey LeParc · 28th October 2007, 11:59 PM

i switched so i could make pro tools files to take to other studios to get mixed n mastered without payin for studio time. i can use sonar adobe even magix. its just pro studios use pro tools and 65 dollars a hour to record vocals and track beats out with is stupid when i can do it at home. but nuendo three is a beast

MySpace.com - Trey LeParc - Looneyville, Kentucky - Rap - www.myspace.com/3leparc

Tibbon · 29th October 2007, 12:10 AM

How is 24 bits on Nuendo > 24 bits on Protools?

Maybe your definition of headroom is different than mine. Mine tells me that at most you can have 144dB of dynamic range.

Bryan Talbot · 29th October 2007, 12:14 AM

They all suck. Get a 2" 24 track machine. Recording at +9 over 250 on Quantegy 499 should give you plenty of headroom.

I kid, I kid.

illynoise · 29th October 2007, 01:55 AM

I've tried to go to PT a few times. I've always taken whatever it was back, cause I didn't get the functionality of whatever I was using at the time.

I don't know why someone would pay for Nuendo, when you can get Cubase 4 for so much cheaper and they almost have the same feature set, besides the post functions!!

con?one · 29th October 2007, 02:27 AM

Nuendo sounds better than PT. Period.

PettyCash · 29th October 2007, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by illynoise

I've tried to go to PT a few times. I've always taken whatever it was back, cause I didn't get the functionality of whatever I was using at the time.

I don't know why someone would pay for Nuendo, when you can get Cubase 4 for so much cheaper and they almost have the same feature set, besides the post functions!!

I think of Nuendo and Cubase in a similar way that I would think of Pro Tools and Pro Tools LE.

Within a professional production, recording and mastering environment, I would drop the 2 grand to have Nuendo as my DAW program. At home, or for a mobile rig, I would opt for saving some of my money and purchasing Cubase instead, which would allow me to work on things at home and on the go, and when Im ready open these projects up at the studio.

Killah_Trakz · 29th October 2007, 03:02 AM

Ive recently switched from N3 to Ptools LE n mpowered (been a good week now) because of the compatabiltity reasons and so far so good. You do tend to miss editing on nuendo plus the right click tool was cool but im learning my way round pt and everything is great. From rme hdsp to mbox 1 does make you say wtf? but im using the adi-2 through spdif and im very happy with my results, peace. Would post audio but naw..... not worth it. Like I said its the dude not the hardware.

jikkyboy11 · 29th October 2007, 03:47 AM

If u wanna switch to protools to take a session keep using Nuendo. Bounce the tracks to wav> Import wav files into protools > Save session > Take to the mixer. I thought about getting Pro Tools and I'm getting it only cause a studio I will be interning in uses HD so I wanna kno a tad bit before I go in, but even that may be far fetched. If its all the way set up at school I'll just go learn it there. No need to waste my $$$.

ryst · 29th October 2007, 05:14 AM

Why does it matter what software any big named producer uses?

MERC476 · 29th October 2007, 01:07 PM

I been using Nuendo for a few years now and i've tried to take time to sit there and learn Protools just to know it because it's "the industry standard". But to me, the workflow is not nearly as quick as working in Nuendo. Again, this may be because i'm so used to using Nuendo but it seams like I have to do 3 or 4 steps to get something done in Protools that would normally take me about 2 in Nuendo. Plus, I can't afford to slow down my workflow when I have a client that's used to me zipping through recording and mixing and now it's taking me forever=more money they have to pay for time. Not cool.....So I have an M-Box hook up to my a powerbook just for clients that bring PT projects they want me to mix or whatever and i'll consolidate the audio tracks and throw them in Nuendo. Anyway, whatever works for you. If it's Nuendo, stick with it. If you just started using it, i guess there's time for you to try protools to see which on works best for you.

deuc647 · 29th October 2007, 04:27 PM

as a PTHD user, MY honest view of things is that i loved the workflow of cubase. It is true that somethings require more keystrokes or mouse clicks to do in pro tools, but the only reasons i switched was for a good control surface(C24) and the monitoring through plugs. If yamaha would get of their ass and come up with a dedicated card to compete with PT, i would switch in a minute, i even like the sound of the cubendo sound engine more than PT, and yes there is a sound difference, i dont give a shyt if you do all the null tests in the world, their is a difference

dmarz45 · 29th October 2007, 09:36 PM

The main reason Im thinking of switching is just because I tried recording a track in pro tools out of my mpc and when all the tracks playing together hit just below 0db, i recorded at that level and it did not clip in pro tools. Do the same in nuendo and it f*ckin clips like crazyyyyyy.... I dont kno why that is?

Justice · 30th October 2007, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Talbot

They all suck. Get a 2" 24 track machine. Recording at +9 over 250 on Quantegy 499 should give you plenty of headroom.

I kid, I kid.

I'm with this guy!

He knows what hes talking about!

computa · 30th October 2007, 05:48 AM

When we say "protools", are we talking about PT HD or LE? They are 2 different things entirely.

LE & Mbox & M powered with them sh*tty converters suck bad. LE Software has built in limitations.

PettyCash · 30th October 2007, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by computa

When we say "protools", are we talking about PT HD or LE? They are 2 different things entirely.

LE & Mbox & M powered with them sh*tty converters suck bad. LE Software has built in limitations.

It really makes no sense what so ever to switch to PT LE if you have a program like Nuendo already.

Why in the world would one spend 2+ grand on a program just to end up lusting over wanting PT LE which ties you into using specific hardware that doesnt even sound all that great, and software that keeps you limited to 32 or 48 tracks, and on top of that still runs plugins natively?

KBOY · 30th October 2007, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmarz45

The main reason Im thinking of switching is just because I tried recording a track in pro tools out of my mpc and when all the tracks playing together hit just below 0db, i recorded at that level and it did not clip in pro tools. Do the same in nuendo and it f*ckin clips like crazyyyyyy.... I dont kno why that is?

Um, I've never had this happen Unless I go crazy crazy crazy on the input. And I don't think I've ever heard any wierdness internally pushing it.

Were you using the same converters on both daws? Reason I ask is that some converters clip better then others.

Thats where I see the biggest difference in supposed headroom.

ninjasoards · 30th October 2007, 09:02 AM

is for the compatibility with other studios. You can easily load ur LE session up in an HD system and put a mix on it at a real studio. Other than that Pro Tools blows. LE has no delay compensation and the MIDI sucks ass. Nuendo is killin PTs as far as MIDI is concerned, but if ur sequencing on MPC maybe ur not worried about that. That's my $0.02

MattmaN · 30th October 2007, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by con?one

Nuendo sounds better than PT. Period.

And you can prove this?
Thought so.

Converters differ....yes, but no one can prove that the software itself colors the sound.
Software developers often state if a program does color the sound it has a broken audio engine, but also point out that a broken audio engine is more likely to cut out, or crackle than flat out add some type of eq preset.

Does anyone really want thier software to have an eq preset on the final output that cannot be removed?
Did'nt think so...That's why no developers add one.

Kelly644 · 30th October 2007, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattmaN

And you can prove this?
Thought so.

Converters differ....yes, but no one can prove that the software itself colors the sound.

I can think of three reasons right off the top of my head why two pieces of software would color the sound differently.

One is how they handle bit-depth. Even within protools it's different. LE runs on 32bit floating, while HD's mix engine runs at 48bit fixed point with 24 bit fixed point plugin busses.

Second reason would be aliasing filters. The PT aliasing filter is very steep, creeping down just barely into the audible bandwidth. Nuendo's filter is much broader extending down to around 18khz. Probably for less phase shift.

Third and most obvious reason would be how the software handles dithering.

PettyCash · 30th October 2007, 05:48 PM

What would most you guys consider an equal or better Nuendo DAW hardware setup to a Pro Tools HD3 Accel setup? Considering all aspects of what an HD3 Accel would have to offer.

deuc647 · 30th October 2007, 09:30 PM

if you can find out that one , let me know, as of right now, nothing except the apogee symphony can do the low latency like PTHD , and logic is the only one set up to do 32 buffers, if nuendo or cubase could do this, then you could have a system that was equivalent

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28th October 2007, 07:51 PM	#1
dmarz45 Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 96	Pro Tools vs. Nuendo!!! Ive been using nuendo for almost a year now and I was just thinking if maybe i wanted to give pro tools a try.... theres a couple reason im thinking this.... first how many big name producers do u hear that use nuendo? I think that I couldnt name one that uses it? second, i heard that nuendo doesnt have the amount of headroom that pro tools has... what do u guys think about this?

28th October 2007, 08:12 PM	#3
indie Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: C-ville area VA Posts: 1,284	ummm...Nuendo doesn't have the headroom of PT?? Not true, actually, I believe it's opposite. I'm trying out a Nuendo 4 system at the moment -- the only DAW I've owned or used is PT. So far, I can actually do a rock mix ITB that sounds good to me (with outboard inserts and Smart C1 on the Buss.) IME, not so in PT, the buss folds quicker. my 2 cents __________________ rock on, Micah http://www.micahmixer.com http://www.myspace.com/wilshires

28th October 2007, 08:15 PM	#4
assemblyworker Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 225	More headroom than 0dbfs? Mental... Sorry for being pedantic. The Pro-Tools channel has +12dB on the mixer channels, I have no idea about Nuendo. TBH I rarely need that much extra above 0 so long as things have been recorded properly. __________________ www.myspace.com/assemblylinemusic www.myspace.com/soundmakersproduction

28th October 2007, 08:50 PM	#6
8BallProductions Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 84	This is slightly of topic ... but i use PT HD and find myself using Logic more and More these days because of its flexability .... i imagine nuendo is much the same .. i have heard some amazing mixes done on Nuendo .... speak to romesh at longwave studios (cardiff) he's a nuendo user and he gets great results ... =] __________________ www.myspace.com/8ballproductions I can only guarantee you one thing ......I'll be wearing these studio L plates for the rest of my life ! !

28th October 2007, 08:07 PM	#2
macleodgrant Lives for gear Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dublin Posts: 2,023	changing a daw is a big thing and i really don't think that the benefit would be huge unless you are going for a specific feature or workflow you know digi can provide. also if you do collaboration with other artists then it could be necessary for that but if you don't need all that then rather stick with what you've got. were you thinking LE or HD it's not going to help you make better music and nuendo is a rick solid program, i played around with it before.

28th October 2007, 08:22 PM	#5
herbalphunk Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 23	DJ Muggs is a Nuendo head. He's produced a few records. Who uses the software doesn't matter though. Use what makes sense and works well in your studio. I'd only look to switch if another program has something to offer that you need, and your current rig doesn't offer.

28th October 2007, 08:57 PM	#7
Trey LeParc Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4	www.myspace.com/3leparc plain n simple, nuendo is pro tools with out the hard ware... i just switch to mac n all that a few months ago and u cant glide thru projects like nuendo..... but pro tools has a more analog warmth to it..just my opinion

28th October 2007, 10:22 PM	#8
psycho_monkey Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: London Posts: 2,692	if you're happy using nuendo, why bother changing - just 'cos I.Am.Greatness or whoever uses it? If you find yourself going between studios that only use PT, need to learn it 'cos you've got ambitions of engineering professionally for others, or have some other reason, then it's worthwhile. Otherwise it's just a tool, and you'll do best on the one you know best.

28th October 2007, 11:34 PM	#9
PettyCash Lives for gear Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,705	You still havent given a real reason as to why you would want to switch over and have to learn a new DAW program all over again.... IMO though, if you want to switch to using PT, it would only make sense if you were switching to an HD system. LE software is limited in track count (if thats important to you), plugins are still native not TDM, and the LE hardware without any modifications isnt cutting it sound quality wise, neither is any of the m-audio hardware for use with M-Powered. If you are looking for better sound quality out of your mixes, the first thing you need to think about changing or upgrading is your ROOM, CONVERTERS, MONITORS, AUDIO CARD, SKILLS, and if any of that doesnt help then your EARS..lol I know us gearslutz always get caught up on wanting something new, but in this particular case getting PT LE would be a waste of your money if you are looking to create some better sounding mixes, IMHO.

28th October 2007, 11:59 PM	#10
Trey LeParc Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4	i switched so i could make pro tools files to take to other studios to get mixed n mastered without payin for studio time. i can use sonar adobe even magix. its just pro studios use pro tools and 65 dollars a hour to record vocals and track beats out with is stupid when i can do it at home. but nuendo three is a beast MySpace.com - Trey LeParc - Looneyville, Kentucky - Rap - www.myspace.com/3leparc

29th October 2007, 12:10 AM	#11
Tibbon Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Boston/MA Posts: 4,110	How is 24 bits on Nuendo > 24 bits on Protools? Maybe your definition of headroom is different than mine. Mine tells me that at most you can have 144dB of dynamic range. __________________ David Fisher (aka tibbon) What is Noise, Blog (DIY, gear, tech, etc) Follow me on Twitter

29th October 2007, 12:14 AM	#12
Bryan Talbot Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: cloud nine Posts: 2,299	They all suck. Get a 2" 24 track machine. Recording at +9 over 250 on Quantegy 499 should give you plenty of headroom. I kid, I kid. __________________ "and a turbine fire truck with no brakes it would teach people to get the fuk out of the way" - big country

29th October 2007, 01:55 AM	#13
illynoise Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,622	I've tried to go to PT a few times. I've always taken whatever it was back, cause I didn't get the functionality of whatever I was using at the time. I don't know why someone would pay for Nuendo, when you can get Cubase 4 for so much cheaper and they almost have the same feature set, besides the post functions!! __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Base Jase Illynoise Music www.basejase.com

29th October 2007, 02:27 AM	#14
con?one Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 665	Nuendo sounds better than PT. Period. __________________ : : c o n ? o n e : : www.conone.net www.myspace.com/conone

29th October 2007, 03:02 AM	#16
Killah_Trakz Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Da Godz Temple, ES Posts: 787	welll Ive recently switched from N3 to Ptools LE n mpowered (been a good week now) because of the compatabiltity reasons and so far so good. You do tend to miss editing on nuendo plus the right click tool was cool but im learning my way round pt and everything is great. From rme hdsp to mbox 1 does make you say wtf? but im using the adi-2 through spdif and im very happy with my results, peace. Would post audio but naw..... not worth it. Like I said its the dude not the hardware.

29th October 2007, 03:47 AM	#17
jikkyboy11 Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: 44 is my HooD Posts: 534	If u wanna switch to protools to take a session keep using Nuendo. Bounce the tracks to wav> Import wav files into protools > Save session > Take to the mixer. I thought about getting Pro Tools and I'm getting it only cause a studio I will be interning in uses HD so I wanna kno a tad bit before I go in, but even that may be far fetched. If its all the way set up at school I'll just go learn it there. No need to waste my $$$.

29th October 2007, 05:14 AM	#18
ryst Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 954	Why does it matter what software any big named producer uses? __________________ "you know, while you're at it...what i miss more than anything else? i miss just working on music, for godsake. just hanging with musicians and figuring out what the hell to do. what the F**K is it when all we talk about is gear...gear...and more gear???" - GM

29th October 2007, 01:07 PM	#19
MERC476 Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: PROVIDENCE Posts: 221	I been using Nuendo for a few years now and i've tried to take time to sit there and learn Protools just to know it because it's "the industry standard". But to me, the workflow is not nearly as quick as working in Nuendo. Again, this may be because i'm so used to using Nuendo but it seams like I have to do 3 or 4 steps to get something done in Protools that would normally take me about 2 in Nuendo. Plus, I can't afford to slow down my workflow when I have a client that's used to me zipping through recording and mixing and now it's taking me forever=more money they have to pay for time. Not cool.....So I have an M-Box hook up to my a powerbook just for clients that bring PT projects they want me to mix or whatever and i'll consolidate the audio tracks and throw them in Nuendo. Anyway, whatever works for you. If it's Nuendo, stick with it. If you just started using it, i guess there's time for you to try protools to see which on works best for you. __________________ www.myspace.com/merc401 www.myspace.com/theboilerroom401

29th October 2007, 04:27 PM	#20
deuc647 Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,308	as a PTHD user, MY honest view of things is that i loved the workflow of cubase. It is true that somethings require more keystrokes or mouse clicks to do in pro tools, but the only reasons i switched was for a good control surface(C24) and the monitoring through plugs. If yamaha would get of their ass and come up with a dedicated card to compete with PT, i would switch in a minute, i even like the sound of the cubendo sound engine more than PT, and yes there is a sound difference, i dont give a shyt if you do all the null tests in the world, their is a difference

29th October 2007, 09:36 PM	#21
dmarz45 Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 96	The main reason Im thinking of switching is just because I tried recording a track in pro tools out of my mpc and when all the tracks playing together hit just below 0db, i recorded at that level and it did not clip in pro tools. Do the same in nuendo and it f*ckin clips like crazyyyyyy.... I dont kno why that is?

30th October 2007, 05:48 AM	#23
computa Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 997	When we say "protools", are we talking about PT HD or LE? They are 2 different things entirely. LE & Mbox & M powered with them sh*tty converters suck bad. LE Software has built in limitations.

30th October 2007, 09:02 AM	#26
ninjasoards Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 260	The ONLY reason to switch to PTs... is for the compatibility with other studios. You can easily load ur LE session up in an HD system and put a mix on it at a real studio. Other than that Pro Tools blows. LE has no delay compensation and the MIDI sucks ass. Nuendo is killin PTs as far as MIDI is concerned, but if ur sequencing on MPC maybe ur not worried about that. That's my $0.02 __________________ D. Soards www.myspace.com/ninjaswordz

30th October 2007, 05:48 PM	#29
PettyCash Lives for gear Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,705	What would most you guys consider an equal or better Nuendo DAW hardware setup to a Pro Tools HD3 Accel setup? Considering all aspects of what an HD3 Accel would have to offer.

30th October 2007, 09:30 PM	#30
deuc647 Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,308	if you can find out that one , let me know, as of right now, nothing except the apogee symphony can do the low latency like PTHD , and logic is the only one set up to do 32 buffers, if nuendo or cubase could do this, then you could have a system that was equivalent