fat sub bass sound - how do they do it

[rawdigits]

Maybe from an 808?


There are lots of threads abut such enhancers. You can search for dbx 120xp.
That's the one I am intending to buy for adding bass harmonics. There are also other products mentioned in these threads which will translate bass better for small radio.


There are also software solutions if your looking for that kind of thing.





Greets

[huggie]

The DBX120 subharmonic processor use to be the bizzness for getting that fat sub bass sound...

Now there is a bit software that does the same thing! Check it out:

reFuse Software

I reckon the Lowender sounds better than a DBX120!

Also try the BBE Sonic Maximizer plug-in...
Welcome to BBE Sound

It's OK but I think the Lowender is still better...

Hugo

[PistolP]

thnax guys

be checkin' it out

p

[Silver Sonya]

I highly recommend this tool, but be careful with it. Tasteful restraint is the name of the game.

[s.d.finley]

double the kick with a very low, as in pitch, bass synth.

stike

[Rogervandeberg]

I have also used the dbx for live gigs and i liked it very much for big gigs/systems. Haven't used it in the studio though....

[CWsounds]

Voxengo has a few plugs for that kind of stuff LF-Punch and LF-Max, the latter being what your looking for maybe... I haven't really tried these plugs but they are worth a look and would like to know if they are any good also...

Voxengo

[poncival]

Peavey Kosmos is pretty cool, too. Basically the same concept as the DBX 120, maybe a little fatter bottom end. Pretty cheap solution too, if you can find one on ebay they're $100 ish

I am using one on a hip hop record I am doing right now which has a lot of live bass on it. Some of the bass parts are played up on the neck and there's not much bottom. I route those parts through the Kosmos and it comes out FAT. You have basically two knobs "quake" and "thud" he he

[marcnyc]

you will find that bass management is one of the hardest things to achieve... it requires skills, a lot of listening in different rooms and on different speakers and knowing what to use where and in what amount...

I have a hardware version of the BBE Sonic Maximizer but I end up using MaxxBass (by Waves) more or old-school tricks from the analog world (such as a 50Hz or 60Hz gated sine on triggered by your original kick). However you must carefully balance with the bass and make sure both are heard. Manage the frequency allocations with thought and mix for everyone: meaning, remember that not everyone has a sub in their system and a lot of people listen with headbuds...

As for the 808 sound itself, if you don't have access to an 808 (or a 909) there are a million libraries out there with a million kicks for you to choose from.

I can even send you one or two if you want...

[beat you down]

Originally Posted by PistolP

...I also tend to loose the bass when listening over small radio while the other songs still have audible bass over small systems. How do they do that?

i had the same problem.
someone onhere told me to start using lowpassed sawtooths or squares instead of sines. sines have no or few harmonics, so a 50hz sine, for example, will vanish on a small system.

do a search, you might find the thread itself.

[Stitch333]

a sine wave and this...

[babyface_finsta]

So is it... Sine, sawtooth or square...

[mike dean]

5 verses of def. theres and 808 that plays by its self on the record. u can sample that and do anything.. add a buncha 50 hz and your done... mike dean

[flame]

I always wonder how do they make great bass sounds.
I know they usally layer it with sine wave, but i never really get there.
I guess its all experience huh?

But I really want to know how did Collipark did the bassline on Git-it girl song (Yingyang and Bun B), or Whisper song.
Did he pitch the 808 or, is it a synth bass?

I heard Dilla and Kev Brown just low pass the bass lines, layer it and push it till red. They have really nice bass sounds tho.

[beat you down]

Originally Posted by flame

But I really want to know how did Collipark did the bassline on Git-it girl song (Yingyang and Bun B), or Whisper song.
Did he pitch the 808 or, is it a synth bass?

on the whisper song it's just a roland preset, if i'm correct it's called "xv bully kit" or "xv rust kit", too lazy to check right now.

[flame]

It's a preset?
Fantom?
Damn... I didnt know that.

[freshmints]

use the 808 kick
play with the envelop in your sampler,
give it some waves rbass , eq it proper
like hi pass at 20hz , boost around 80-90hz
and notch it down a bit around 125hz
layer a 2nd/3rd kick
and send it through a compressor of choice

[ology]

for starters, remember most of these guys are first and foremost using apogee converters, or somthing high end . Using these better converters will give you the ability to "HEAR" the low end and capture it correctly. After youve done that there are several tricks you can do. Adding low ramp waves which have good harmonic contect in with the kicks (make sure there tuned!) for gods sake. theres enough OUT OF TUNE crap out there right now as it is., dont necessarily quantize it , but play along with the kicks and even maybe double it. Also, bass will never...N E V E R comeout on correctly in digital until it is phase aligned in the box, by hand, yes boys that means every single note baby. line that bass note or notes up with your kick presiceley!....probably the most valuable trick in the book, producers best kept secrets. It takes a while but when your done, kick back, hit that space bar, and light it up baby!

A

[superjc]

I wish Mike Dean would write a book on this... I had that album A-G-2-A-Ke Mil-Ticket (1998) and I was like how the F*^K does he get that sub-bass to go octaves/all over top of that fat 808 kick, and both are crystal clear? Now at least I know it's about high-end gear (not just a PC) and knowing how to really use it.

[mike dean]

just dont compress the kicks snares or 808's. i NEVER do. bass lines yes. just put a pultec (bomb factory or real) and add like 9db of 60hz and your done. set levels where they work and its kool. of course the tuning has to be perfect for them to live in the same area.

lookout 4 kanyes new cd. bass for your ass. album of the year/ record of the year!!!

,mike dean

[s.d.finley]

Originally Posted by mike dean

just dont compress the kicks snares or 808's. i NEVER do. bass lines yes. just put a pultec (bomb factory or real) and add like 9db of 60hz and your done. set levels where they work and its kool. of course the tuning has to be perfect for them to live in the same area.

lookout 4 kanyes new cd. bass for your ass. album of the year/ record of the year!!!

,mike dean

Ahhh,

Posted my H-town finest! The MAN himself! How sweet is that? Dean, did you do any tracks on Kaynes cd?

peace

[beat you down]

Originally Posted by mike dean

just dont compress the kicks snares or 808's. i NEVER do.....

i can read but....
never ever?
thanks.

[gsilbers]

Originally Posted by babyface_finsta

So is it... Sine, sawtooth or square...

square will have the most inharmonics then saw then sine that will have all harmonic.

u can easily tell in reasons substractor when u change the waves.

[riecespieces]

Originally Posted by mike dean

just dont compress the kicks snares or 808's. i NEVER do. bass lines yes. just put a pultec (bomb factory or real) and add like 9db of 60hz and your done. set levels where they work and its kool. of course the tuning has to be perfect for them to live in the same area.

lookout 4 kanyes new cd. bass for your ass. album of the year/ record of the year!!!

,mike dean

I'd have to agree with not compressing the snares kicks or 808's I also NEVER EVER do and ive never had a complaint about the sound quality of my tracks usually when a mix engineer asks me about the compression I just look him in the eye an staight up lie an say I did but yeah I never could get good compression setting on my drums an snares that did anything to bring them out (Maybe I just suck) so I just stopped doing it. I dont have any grammys but thats two for no compress....

mike dean do u you do a low pass filter on 808s when u mix an if u do what freq cut off ?

[beat you down]

Originally Posted by riecespieces

...I never could get good compression setting on my drums an snares that did anything to bring them out (Maybe I just suck) so I just stopped doing it...

same here, i just adsr shape them by hand.
i was just surprised mr dean also never does cause i was always like ok i don't, but i really should.

[Alex Niedt]

^I used to think that way, too. But it's so damn fun and easy just cutting stuff together and getting so much more control.